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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 06 2010 08:35 GMT
#1021
On September 06 2010 12:40 vnlegend wrote:
Yawn. When are we switching to an SC2 Power Rank? The BW PR nowadays is just Flash fans vs JD fans.


Uh probably in a year is when there will be one is my guess. Too soon tbh.
When I think of something else, something will go here
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
September 06 2010 09:36 GMT
#1022
On September 06 2010 04:37 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:40 bluetrolls wrote:
2009: Flash is really good and thrashes scrubs, but loses when it counts.
2010: Flash wins when it counts, but loses too many games to scrubs.

Flash anti-fans will never be happy.


He lost 7 ace matches in a row, and if it wasn't for STX's sudden slump KT would have lost 1st place, and with it a free trip to the finals. That's not winning when it counts. During those weeks he slumped, live with it. The best player in the world going 50/50 for over a month and letting his team down that many means he wasn't playing as well as he should have been, which is what a slump is.

I'm not an anti flash fan, I don't really care, but it seems a lot of flash fans are also pretty delusional.

I thought he had injured his arm.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
September 06 2010 10:53 GMT
#1023
for someone who had injured his arm he sure raped in his normal matches
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 06 2010 13:59 GMT
#1024
On September 06 2010 04:55 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 03:41 bluetrolls wrote:
On September 06 2010 01:59 Cpadolf wrote:
On September 06 2010 01:40 bluetrolls wrote:
2009: Flash is really good and thrashes scrubs, but loses when it counts.
2010: Flash wins when it counts, but loses too many games to scrubs.


Flash anti-fans will never be happy.


Nobody is saying that.


Almost 50/50 win rate for 3 weeks, and losing 7 ace matches in a row.


2010: Flash wins when it counts (PL championship), but loses too many games to scrubs (ace maces that have no relevance to the PL championship).

I feel like a lot of the anti-Flash argumentation on TL grasps at straws, like saying that Usain Bolt sucks if he slows down in the last 20 meters because he is already 10 meters ahead of his next competitor and he has already won half the races in the season while establishing world record (ELO peak) after world record. Please, it's getting really tiring to listen to all this whine. Get more positive, root for Jaedong, the other great player, but please stop trying to put Flash down because he is not the perfect invincible Starcraft machine. He's not, he's human like all of us. He is just the strongest Starcraft player at the moment, and arguably the strongest of all time.


But that's only concerning a small slump he had where he did, unquestionably, lose more games than he should have. When looking over his general performance this year I challenge you to find a single anti fan delusional enough to say that Flash loses too many games against weak opponents. I would think that it is one of the more commonly agreed upon things that Flash is probably the player in the world least likely to lose against a low-mid level opponent.


That's what we're talking about. We're saying those 2 shitty months were a slump, I don't know where you get the idea that we're calling his entire year a slump.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 06 2010 14:00 GMT
#1025
Btw, what does CBNC stand for? I've always wondered but felt too stupid to ask
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
September 06 2010 14:05 GMT
#1026
On September 06 2010 23:00 SubtleArt wrote:
Btw, what does CBNC stand for? I've always wondered but felt too stupid to ask


Close but no cigar? (just guessing)
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
September 06 2010 16:05 GMT
#1027
On September 06 2010 22:59 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 04:55 Cpadolf wrote:
On September 06 2010 03:41 bluetrolls wrote:
On September 06 2010 01:59 Cpadolf wrote:
On September 06 2010 01:40 bluetrolls wrote:
2009: Flash is really good and thrashes scrubs, but loses when it counts.
2010: Flash wins when it counts, but loses too many games to scrubs.


Flash anti-fans will never be happy.


Nobody is saying that.


Almost 50/50 win rate for 3 weeks, and losing 7 ace matches in a row.


2010: Flash wins when it counts (PL championship), but loses too many games to scrubs (ace maces that have no relevance to the PL championship).

I feel like a lot of the anti-Flash argumentation on TL grasps at straws, like saying that Usain Bolt sucks if he slows down in the last 20 meters because he is already 10 meters ahead of his next competitor and he has already won half the races in the season while establishing world record (ELO peak) after world record. Please, it's getting really tiring to listen to all this whine. Get more positive, root for Jaedong, the other great player, but please stop trying to put Flash down because he is not the perfect invincible Starcraft machine. He's not, he's human like all of us. He is just the strongest Starcraft player at the moment, and arguably the strongest of all time.


But that's only concerning a small slump he had where he did, unquestionably, lose more games than he should have. When looking over his general performance this year I challenge you to find a single anti fan delusional enough to say that Flash loses too many games against weak opponents. I would think that it is one of the more commonly agreed upon things that Flash is probably the player in the world least likely to lose against a low-mid level opponent.


That's what we're talking about. We're saying those 2 shitty months were a slump, I don't know where you get the idea that we're calling his entire year a slump.


Don't blow it out of the proportions. He had 1 questionable month. That's it. If you really want to stretch it it was 40 days. And it started just after he won MSL beating for the first time in bo5 his greatest rival 3:0. And going 50% is not shitty. It might be disappointing because it is Flash but lots of progamers can't even achieve this.
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
September 06 2010 16:20 GMT
#1028
On September 06 2010 15:09 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 14:53 jalstar wrote:
On September 06 2010 14:30 Assymptotic wrote:
On September 06 2010 12:40 vnlegend wrote:
Yawn. When are we switching to an SC2 Power Rank? The BW PR nowadays is just Flash fans vs JD fans.



It wouldn't be nearly as interesting since Flash and Jaedong are still locked in their battle for world supremacy.


If Flash wins this OSL then Flash is the superior player and Bonjwa. No question.

Please no. I don't want this to happen.
Bisu is the one and only bonjwa, we don't need another.


lol since when was bisu a bonjwa? since he won that osl? OOOOO SNAPPPP!!
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
September 06 2010 16:21 GMT
#1029
On September 06 2010 23:00 SubtleArt wrote:
Btw, what does CBNC stand for? I've always wondered but felt too stupid to ask

Close but no cigar, check the old PR's.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 06 2010 18:17 GMT
#1030
On September 06 2010 19:53 SuperArc wrote:
for someone who had injured his arm he sure raped in his normal matches


I think it kind of makes sense that after 2 typically long games (which is what usually happened in his ace match losses) that he'd play worse in the second one with a hurt arm bothering him. But it's also clear that his opponent's just played really damn well.
Remember Violet.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 06 2010 18:34 GMT
#1031
On September 06 2010 19:53 SuperArc wrote:
for someone who had injured his arm he sure raped in his normal matches

There was an interview who said that Flash was injured by princess from hwaseung oz in a soccer match. Flash wouldnt admit that it had caused him trouble and used his wins in regular matches as a part of justifying it.
In the woods, there lurks..
nimoraca
Profile Joined February 2007
Serbia84 Posts
September 06 2010 19:25 GMT
#1032
Also, Flash lost those ace matches due to other players preparing the map and strategy specifically for him. On several occasions he won against the same players in games played before the ace matches, where other players didn't know who would they face. He also mentioned in one of his interviews that he is not to concerned about those loses, because he was resting a bit. All in all, it was too long ago.
If Jaedong wins the OSL in tight games, it will be very hard to decide who deserves the number one spot. It can go both ways. And since we know who is Plexas favorite player...
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
September 06 2010 20:45 GMT
#1033
On September 07 2010 04:25 nimoraca wrote:
Also, Flash lost those ace matches due to other players preparing the map and strategy specifically for him. On several occasions he won against the same players in games played before the ace matches, where other players didn't know who would they face. He also mentioned in one of his interviews that he is not to concerned about those loses, because he was resting a bit. All in all, it was too long ago.
If Jaedong wins the OSL in tight games, it will be very hard to decide who deserves the number one spot. It can go both ways. And since we know who is Plexas favorite player...


Sea or Stork are not part of the discussion for #1.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
September 07 2010 02:11 GMT
#1034
On September 07 2010 04:25 nimoraca wrote:
Also, Flash lost those ace matches due to other players preparing the map and strategy specifically for him. On several occasions he won against the same players in games played before the ace matches, where other players didn't know who would they face. He also mentioned in one of his interviews that he is not to concerned about those loses, because he was resting a bit. All in all, it was too long ago.
If Jaedong wins the OSL in tight games, it will be very hard to decide who deserves the number one spot. It can go both ways. And since we know who is Plexas favorite player...


So, Flash finally gets on top (where Jaedong has been forever) and people start to make builds just for him? Like they've done against JD for.. ever?
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
kamizushi
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada52 Posts
September 07 2010 06:23 GMT
#1035
Anything over 50% can not be called a slump. Please say "not doing has well has usual" or "not up to his usual self" or "not playing S" maybe. But a Slump means bad, like REALLY bad for a progammer. A player in a slump doesn't deserve to make it to the PR. Beside still think Flash is playing S.

For those wondering, no I'm not a fan of Flash. He's conservative play sometime annoys me. But he definitely is the most scary player right now, althought Jeadong isn't far behind.

My favourite player is Fantasy. VultMicro FTW.
Hey
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
September 07 2010 07:01 GMT
#1036
On September 07 2010 15:23 kamizushi wrote:
Anything over 50% can not be called a slump. Please say "not doing has well has usual" or "not up to his usual self" or "not playing S" maybe. But a Slump means bad, like REALLY bad for a progammer. A player in a slump doesn't deserve to make it to the PR. Beside still think Flash is playing S.


That's just different people having different definitions of the term though. Some may say that you need to be god awful to be in a slump, others would say that as long as you are performing noticeably below your expected standard, you are in a slump.
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
September 07 2010 10:18 GMT
#1037
On September 07 2010 04:25 nimoraca wrote:
Also, Flash lost those ace matches due to other players preparing the map and strategy specifically for him. On several occasions he won against the same players in games played before the ace matches, where other players didn't know who would they face. He also mentioned in one of his interviews that he is not to concerned about those loses, because he was resting a bit. All in all, it was too long ago.
If Jaedong wins the OSL in tight games, it will be very hard to decide who deserves the number one spot. It can go both ways. And since we know who is Plexas favorite player...

What is (P)Pusan doing here?
plan3t
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada75 Posts
September 07 2010 19:23 GMT
#1038
I'm eagerly awaiting the new Power Rank.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 07 2010 19:49 GMT
#1039

On September 06 2010 12:40 vnlegend wrote:
Yawn. When are we switching to an SC2 Power Rank? The BW PR nowadays is just Flash fans vs JD fans.


sc2 PR= appreciated
sc2 PR overlapping BW = I go kill a puppy.
In the woods, there lurks..
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
September 07 2010 20:50 GMT
#1040
On September 08 2010 04:49 Iplaythings wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 12:40 vnlegend wrote:
Yawn. When are we switching to an SC2 Power Rank? The BW PR nowadays is just Flash fans vs JD fans.


sc2 PR= appreciated
sc2 PR overlapping BW = I go kill a puppy.


definitely. i want an sc2 power rank because i don't feel like expending the energy to follow that scene as well as bw. but it makes no sense to remove the power rank for the more mature game.
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