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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On August 19 2010 22:34 Holgerius wrote: Heh, Flash has now reached 3 consecutive MSL finals, 2 (soon to be 3???) consecutive OSL finals, the WL final and the PL final.  What a year Flash is having. this must be the most successful year of starcraft anybody has ever had by pure achievements | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
On August 19 2010 15:41 Mortality wrote: There never was a slump. Not a real one anyway. Flash's skill never dropped. It's quite common for top players to lose a bunch of games after winning a Starleague. They get focused on their SL games and on training to play specific match-ups on specific maps, training to take down specific opponents, and on top of that they end up revealing their timings and their builds. I don't think you really need to go that far. Yes, Flash's opponents played pretty well in those ace matches, but the fact is, those games were pretty much meaningless. I don't think Flash took them terribly seriously when he could rest after a very heavy and stressful starleague season. All the kerfuffle about how Flash was slumping and couldn't win an ace-match and his TvT was figured out and how he didn't deserve #1 in July were based entirely on five games in PL Round 5 when KT was miles ahead of everybody else. That's why he still deserved #1 in July, and how he probably should've gotten it in August too. He had come off another totally dominant starleague season where he trashed JD. So, in the lull between starleagues he doesn't put up many wins. So? He won almost everything that counted, and is continuing right from where he left off this season. There was no slump. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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p14c
Vatican City State431 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + If that winner isnt Light! HEHE | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On August 19 2010 22:44 o[twist] wrote: this must be the most successful year of starcraft anybody has ever had by pure achievements Nada won 4 titles in 3 seasons. If Flash wins both leagues this year he'll be ahead of Nada since he'll have 4 titles and 2 silvers in 3 seasons. (EVERY FINALS) | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On August 19 2010 23:08 KristianJS wrote: Still can't get over what an absurd statement it was that Flash was "solved". Guess that's the problem with being the best; too many people are overeager at calling the end of your dominance (see also e.g. Federer who's been subject to this for years and years). I can't either. What makes it worse is that Plexa then goes on to predict Flash making dual finals again. It doesn't make any sense. | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On August 19 2010 22:58 Holgerius wrote: It's definitely not wrong to have JD at #1, he's been a monster since the 0-3 vs Flash, but it would've been a good decision to keep Flash there as well IMO. He's really showing us now that he deserved all the benefit of doubt in the world during that ''slump''. Flash is not gonna get ''solved'' anytime soon. I'm not sure that's entirely true. Flash is already being "solved" in the same way Jaedong's ZvZ has been "solved" - Terran players simply have become better all around as a result of how good he is. Flash will, imo, only really ever be "solved" in the sense that players can take more games off of him because they've closed the skill gap, and that's already happening. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On August 19 2010 23:44 Niton wrote: I'm not sure that's entirely true. Flash is already being "solved" in the same way Jaedong's ZvZ has been "solved" - Terran players simply have become better all around as a result of how good he is. Flash will, imo, only really ever be "solved" in the sense that players can take more games off of him because they've closed the skill gap, and that's already happening. Except the guy just went on his longest winning-streak in his career and most of the games were in TvT BoX's. XD | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On August 19 2010 23:44 Niton wrote: I'm not sure that's entirely true. Flash is already being "solved" in the same way Jaedong's ZvZ has been "solved" - Terran players simply have become better all around as a result of how good he is. Flash will, imo, only really ever be "solved" in the sense that players can take more games off of him because they've closed the skill gap, and that's already happening. and by that you mean he just rolled over all the best TvTers that are out there. Just to remind you Nada also went on the bad TvT loss streak when he was in his prime. Happens even to the best, but this doesn't mean that the player was solved. Flash looks as strong as ever and his schedule is his worst enemy. | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
Even though the last finals were disappointing I believe this will be the best one yet. Flash is coming off a 15-game win streak and showing he is in top form after his mini-slump. His confidence and momentum must be higher now than it ever has. Jaedong is obliterating every terran with the undisputed best ZvT and showcasing some of the best late game zerg management I have ever seen. And I know it is early but I am giving Light NO chance after his cheesy, pathetic performance against Jaedong. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On August 20 2010 08:23 setzer wrote: And I know it is early but I am giving Light NO chance after his cheesy, pathetic performance against Jaedong. How many chances seemed fantasy to have after WCG? He was thoroughly destroyed the same day he had to play in MSL. And look at the series. Eventhough he lost, he came pretty close. I wouldn't judge Light chances too fast. That being sad, Light ain't no fantasy, JD should have it in the bag. | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
 Jaedong will smash Light though. | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On August 20 2010 08:43 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: Light ain't no fantasy? Of course not! Light only went on one of the greatest TvZ sprees of our time, whereas FantaSy was batting about 50-60% TvT recently. Jaedong will smash Light though. Fantasy is a lot better in series play though, and in general seems much better at handling high pressure in the late stages of SL's (like almost making a comeback in the semis after going 0-4 against Flash). | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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chameleonism
United States31 Posts
On August 20 2010 10:04 setzer wrote: Light's best chance to beat Jaedong was in a bo3 where he could get away with a few cheeses. He did it twice and got away with one and was thoroughly smashed in the other two games. How probable is Light's chance against the statistically best bo5 player in the game? Remember, Light said he was very nervous in his series against Effort, he will be more anxious against Jaedong now. I honestly only give him a shot on Polaris Rhapsody, and that is if Jaedong makes a huge blunder like he did against Sea. Considering how strong Light is at TvZ and that the map set is Terran favored, Light should be able to contend and potentially win but if Light's nerves get in the way, he will topple over. Game one will be very telling. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
I don't think the WCG games should be considered too heavily when looking at this series. If I were Light, I wouldn't have wanted to show in WCG whatever it is I am planning to do in MSL. Going for two quick cheeses is a way to potentially win games without necessarily revealing anything. It used to be that wasn't true. A long time ago. Back when SC was much less understood. These days basically every cheese build possible is well documented, but revealing timings can kill you. | ||
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