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HiyA deserves more attention around the Power Rank (And yes ofc not on the list, very flawed gameplay and some stupid mistakes both strategical and control-wise.) But at least around CBNC with a text like "You're awesome, play better and we will declare you king."Power Rank 08/01/2010 - Page 12
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Omegon
Sweden54 Posts
HiyA deserves more attention around the Power Rank (And yes ofc not on the list, very flawed gameplay and some stupid mistakes both strategical and control-wise.) But at least around CBNC with a text like "You're awesome, play better and we will declare you king." | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On August 05 2010 05:06 TwoToneTerran wrote: Haha what, the other thread shot up to like 500 posts when people thought Jaedong got robbed. Flash fans have been tame by comparison. Not to say they're any less bitter, antagonistic or blind, but they've been quieter! Maybe because we don't think Plexa is a hateful biased hatey mchater. Bisu fans must even more civil than flash fans then because they are not raging even though Bisu hasn't been first on the ranking for several months. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Fans aren't so silly they think someone who plays bad should be #1, otherwise Boxer would be #1 everytime. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On August 05 2010 06:23 Zaxro wrote: I would guess he is referring to Effort being above JD. That was arguable either way, but I don't think he was referring to Flash being above JD. Had forgotten about that. But okay, yeah, that too definitely should not count as robbery. Why was Flash "only" gold/silver even though he beat JD? Because of Effort. While it's true that JD wasn't really playing worse than Effort (indeed, at first it looked like Flash was going to 3-0 smash Effort as well), it's abundantly clear who had the better month in May and it wasn't Jaedong. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On August 05 2010 09:37 TwoToneTerran wrote: Well yes because he is awful. =) Fans aren't so silly they think someone who plays bad should be #1, otherwise Boxer would be #1 everytime. Bleh, outside of Korea, most of Boxer's fans have long since retired and don't really pay any attention to SC. If I were to rate "most loved" gamers right now? 1. JD, 2. Flash, 3. Bisu, 4. Stork. Poor Effort and Fantasy and Free get no love. At least Sea gets some love, even though I don't think he's as loved as those four. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On August 05 2010 13:36 Mortality wrote: Bleh, outside of Korea, most of Boxer's fans have long since retired and don't really pay any attention to SC. If I were to rate "most loved" gamers right now? 1. JD, 2. Flash, 3. Bisu, 4. Stork. Poor Effort and Fantasy and Free get no love. At least Sea gets some love, even though I don't think he's as loved as those four. im pretty sure that fantasy gets more love than sea does (in korea, not TL; thus the majority of the SCBW fans) free and sea, ish, maybe similar | ||
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yanmaodao
United States430 Posts
On August 04 2010 07:16 Mortality wrote: I'm hesitant to call it a "Protoss revival" without some individual league results. We may have had an upturn in Proleague results, but so far we're seeing a downturn in individual league results, making it a moot point. Protoss can win on Polaris Rhapsody -- fine. But can they win elsewhere? The situation seems grim. As for "underperformance," it's because of metagame. Zerg was on top of the metagame at that time and ZvP balance was swinging way in favor of Zerg. It wasn't really an anomaly, more like a byproduct. "Anomaly" is not a synonym for "accident". If Protoss winrates were significantly lower around the Winner's League period than it was for months prior and months since, by definition it was an anomaly. Sure one can come up with an explanation for it. I could also come up with explanations for Forgg or Mind's MSL wins. Doesn't mean they weren't anomalies. (Not to mention that the real bad thing about Winner's League was that Terran was beating Protoss left and right. Zerg had the advantage in metagame since the advent of Swarm Season, and Z always > P to varying extents, nothing shocking about that.) As for individual league results, I agree to an extent, but my standards for "success" are probably higher than yours. I require a Protoss to actually contend. If one Protoss actually makes the finals, I'd consider it more of a success than last round, when three Protosses made the two Ro4's but none actually made either final - even if that one Protoss was the only one to make the Ro8 of either league. (As it stands, two are set in stone in the OSL Ro8, so this is a hypothetical, but it illustrates my point.) I see anything less than that, like arguing which season in which no Protoss made a finals was better for them than another season where they made no finals, like splitting hairs over whether Jaehoon or Firefist is the better progamer, or what tastes better, raw turnips or raw celery. We've yet to see whether this round of individual leagues will be better for Toss or not, though the way I see it there's nowhere to go but up. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On August 05 2010 13:36 Mortality wrote: If I were to rate "most loved" gamers right now? 1. JD, 2. Flash, 3. Bisu, 4. Stork. Poor Effort and Fantasy and Free get no love. At least Sea gets some love, even though I don't think he's as loved as those four. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5720367 There's a good indication. You could use that. Flash isn't really all that popular. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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L0thar
987 Posts
On August 05 2010 20:02 okum wrote: What if Effort were playing against a mech-turtling terran on Polaris Rhapsody and not Zero? Well the answer is, and was, that Effort would win. I was just about to write it. What a dominant showing from the infamous Destroyer of Mech himself. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On August 05 2010 21:27 L0thar wrote: I was just about to write it. What a dominant showing from the infamous Destroyer of Mech himself. Indeed, XD Flash is now 34 ELO points ahead of JD again. :D And I think JD is looking pretty sloppy to be honest. He seems so cocky in-game, throwing away leads by mindless play. Sure, PR is an imbalanced map, but he did even worse vs the same opponent on a Z favoured map just days earlier. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Yes, but EffOrt always dominates Flash, and Light has the best TvZ in the game, so EffOrt would have completely rolled Flash in that situation. + Show Spoiler + Kidding! Kidding! | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On August 05 2010 14:56 yanmaodao wrote: "Anomaly" is not a synonym for "accident". If Protoss winrates were significantly lower around the Winner's League period than it was for months prior and months since, by definition it was an anomaly. If you have to look up synonyms for anomaly in the dictionary, then you probably should not try to argue this point. The drop in Protoss winrates was due to changes in how the game is actually played. That makes it no "accident" in the sense of statistical variation. Ergo, the drop in Protoss winrates was not an anomaly. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:16 Mortality wrote: If you have to look up synonyms for anomaly in the dictionary, then you probably should not try to argue this point. The drop in Protoss winrates was due to changes in how the game is actually played. That makes it no "accident" in the sense of statistical variation. Ergo, the drop in Protoss winrates was not an anomaly. Anyone who cares that they are using English correctly refers to a dictionary on occasion, and it makes them more likely to use a word correctly, not less. "Anomaly" is not a synonym for "accident". If Protoss winrates were significantly lower around the Winner's League period than it was for months prior and months since, by definition it was an anomaly. This is exactly right and I'm not sure what your quibble is with it. An explained anomaly is still an anomaly. The word doesn't mean "mystery" either. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On August 06 2010 02:16 Djabanete wrote: Anyone who cares that they are using English correctly refers to a dictionary on occasion, and it makes them more likely to use a word correctly, not less. This is exactly right and I'm not sure what your quibble is with it. An explained anomaly is still an anomaly. The word doesn't mean "mystery" either. The point you are arguing is that the deviation in winrates can be ignored when considering the big picture. You are arguing that the dip in winrates was not due to a decrease in the true mean winrate for a Protoss player, but a deviation from the winrate due to variation. I disagree. I am saying that the true mean winrate for a Protoss player had decreased due to changes in the metagame. | ||
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luckybeni2
Germany1065 Posts
On August 05 2010 22:18 Grend wrote: But if Flash can 3-0 Jaedong with ease, how can Jaedong be ranked higher than Flash? Granted, I just watch the MSL and OSL, and in those leagues Jaedong hasnt exactly been shining. He beat JD 2 month ago and followed that up with a rather bad month where he still got the benefit of doubt. Then both had a few decent weeks where both had good results and JD was ranked above Flash probably as an excuse for last month. The way it looks now is that JD will fall a little if he does not significantly steps up again. I know it's early but right now he has not had a single convincing win against a decent opponent. Even if he gets past sea his next opponent will probably be light who is pretty much in tvz bonjwa mode right now. His game against effort was so strong, he never was in real trouble. everything zerg tried to do was shut down brutally. anyway I do hope that Protoss can at least do well in OSL again. Maybe another Medal for Stork would be cool (not that unrealistic if he decides to actually practice again  ) | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On August 06 2010 06:25 luckybeni2 wrote: I know it's early but right now he has not had a single convincing win against a decent opponent. He has played 2 games... I mean, I wouldn't put him at #1 either right now but that's just silly. | ||
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