EPTWhich OSL Group of Death is the Deadliest Ever??
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Malmis
Sweden1569 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On May 06 2004 23:42 Klogon wrote: Nada (T), Boxer (T), Foru (P), Junwi (Z) (Olympus OSL - April 2003) Major powerhouses at the time. Boxer was still considered the best by many, and as was nada. At this time, Junwi as known as the ZvT God and Foru as the PvT God. They were so feared, that some thought these terrans wouldn't make it out of the group. What made this group the all time best over the other awesome groups of deaths have to do with the group selection. I mean look at it! Nada has the first pick after winning his first OGN title so he bolding picks Boxer to prove himself. Boxer, knowing the power of Foru's PvT, picks Foru to counter Nada (Foru is also known to have anti-nada antibodies as he ALWAYS beats him), and Foru, seeing 2 scary looking terrans, picks the Terran Killer Junwi. That was amazing amazing group picking. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
On May 08 2004 01:10 Klogon wrote: Agreed.  | ||
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GTR-2-Go_au
Australia315 Posts
This was when all these players were at their prime Reach won SKY 2002, ElkY was 4th SKY 2002, HOT got 2nd NATE 2002 and NaDa was starting at his peak winning the KPGA 3rd Tour. | ||
mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
A very close one, but I'd have to go with this Group just by the sheer trauma it inflicted on everyone watching. My head's still ringing from the shock I got when this Group took shape. What kind of Group gives both Nada AND Boxer less than 50% odds of making it out alive? Just friggin' insane. | ||
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SunShine
Netherlands787 Posts
no doubt | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
.How did I compare groups... Nada is Nada... Nal_rA>Boxer ,Yellow>Junwi ,Chojja~ForU imo | ||
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
For example, the Coca Cola OSL had a Group containing Reach, Gundam, Yellow and TheMarine. By today's standards, this Group would be LETHAL. And, in fact, it kind of was - but not as much in comparison to what it would be today. As correctly pointed out by TKWL, the only genuine giant in that Group AT THE TIME was TheMarine and, to a slightly lesser extent, Gundam. The other two were sort of just up-and-coming, altho, as it turned out, the Coca Cola OSL would be the tournament in which Yellow made a name for himself. Reach wouldn't really become an "A-Class" player until his memorable shredding of Boxer in the SKY 2001. | ||
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Beamo
France1279 Posts
--> Yellow, Nal_rA, Nada, Chojja Best Terran, Best Protoss and Best Zerg at the moment... Best Group Picking : Nada, Boxer, Junwi, ForU Best TvT player , Best ZvT player and best PvT player at the moment + Boxer Really hard to pronostic | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33701 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13508 Posts
On May 08 2004 02:42 mensrea wrote: FYI, the point of the poll is to judge by the standards applicable at the time the Groups were selected. For example, the Coca Cola OSL had a Group containing Reach, Gundam, Yellow and TheMarine. By today's standards, this Group would be LETHAL. And, in fact, it kind of was - but not as much in comparison to what it would be today. As correctly pointed out by TKWL, the only genuine giant in that Group AT THE TIME was TheMarine and, to a slightly lesser extent, Gundam. The other two were sort of just up-and-coming, altho, as it turned out, the Coca Cola OSL would be the tournament in which Yellow made a name for himself. Reach wouldn't really become an "A-Class" player until his memorable shredding of Boxer in the SKY 2001. Only cause u cant build turrets on the ice tileset of Silent Vortex. Interestingly enough boxer beat garimto on SV pvt in the finals when many considered this almost impossible for a T to do. | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
On May 08 2004 08:44 RowdierBob wrote: Only cause u cant build turrets on the ice tileset of Silent Vortex. Interestingly enough boxer beat garimto on SV pvt in the finals when many considered this almost impossible for a T to do. Kinda interesting how the best players always manage to win - even when they're told it's not possible. In any case, I don't agree with your characterization of SV. SV was widely known to be a P>T map no doubt about it. But I've never heard it being referred to by anyone as an "impossible" map for T to win TvP and I covered a lot of matches and talked to a lot of people when that map was still in play. Difficult, yes, but it can't compare to the way people openly discussed the "impossibility" for P on maps like Incubus (T>P - at least until Garimto came along) or Neo Bifrost (Z>P - until the map was trashed because it was hopeless!). Going into statistics (which isn't directly related to questions of perception, but it's fun anyway), in SKY 2001, there were 5 PvT matches on SV (including the final between Garimto and Boxer). T won twice on the map and P three times. Boxer accounted for both T wins (vs. Asmodey and Garimto), while Garimto (vs St. Eagle), Reach (vs Boxer) and Asmodey (vs. [NC]...Marine, not to be confused with TheMarine, who's quantum leaps better as a player) got the wins for P. Also (altho I realize we're moving ahead of the relevant time-line a bit), in the NATE OSL, there was only one PvT match on SV (the "neo" version this time), this time between Sync and forU (then known as [Dak]ddong). forU was a much-respected terran-killer even back in those days, but he still lost (albeit to a Sync who must've been on BW-steroids in the NATE tournament). There were also a bunch of prelim matches played on SV before it was retired from competitive play, but I won't go into those. Anyway, the point remains the same: PvT on SV was a difficult mu (some would even say very difficult), but it was never widely considered an "impossible" map for Terran TvP - and the stats bear out this inference (altho, like I said, I realize stats don't completely account for public perception, tho no doubt it can help form it). A top-notch player with a sound, dedicated plan of attack was always able to beat any mu on SV on a consistent basis and people knew this. Not so for maps like Neo Bifrost or Incubus which clearly were the subject of much public discussion on how "impossible" the match-ups were for P. Just some thoughts. Thx for listening. | ||
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pOc)Casper
Romania34 Posts
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Mydnyte
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KhresT
Brazil187 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
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KnownRWAMaker
Australia10 Posts
On May 08 2004 01:36 Carnac wrote: i concur with klogon in this matter I second that. | ||
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
On May 08 2004 06:06 Waxangel wrote: the mycube, everyone but nal_ra was pretty much in their prime heh...nal_ra got second in the mycube osl losing to kingdom in the final? i'd say even if it wasn't his prime it was as fucking close as u get ;P | ||
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Yarertz
Djibouti1891 Posts
On May 08 2004 01:10 Klogon wrote: i voted that way too  | ||
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TigG
Spain369 Posts
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Make7UpYours
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
sync vs foru game on SV was phenomenal. Foru was ahead by a wide margin and went arbiters, and sync was able to make an ncredible comeback. If sync lost that game, it would have knocked him out of the first round and he would've never won that league. asmodey vs Nc marine was fun to watch because a foriegner thoroughly destroyed a korean pro, albeit a very mediocre pro. I remember asmodey's 3-3-3 upgraded army tearing through the terran defense. And who could forget garimto vs st.eagle? All in all, I thought silent vortex was a great map and I remember a lot of fun games being played on it. And while it favored toss, it was balanced enough so that any race could win. | ||
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Magalhas
Portugal126 Posts
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JudasT
Spain2226 Posts
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ZpuX
Sweden1230 Posts
[QUOTE][B]On May 08 Difficult, yes, but it can't compare to the way people openly discussed the "impossibility" for P on maps like Incubus (T>P - at least until Garimto came along) or Neo Bifrost (Z>P - until the map was trashed because it was hopeless!). .[/QUOTE] hmm well, then I think I've got something wrong I always thought Incubus favored protoss, and I have always been playing like it favored me. for an exampel, when I played a bo.3 vs a terran in the old days, If I lost first map I always choosed incubus cuz it was so easy to play pvt on it. but mabye it's just me. | ||
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Sullyesztomester
Hungary30 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
[QUOTE]On May 08 2004 11:00 mensrea wrote: [QUOTE][B]On May 08 Difficult, yes, but it can't compare to the way people openly discussed the "impossibility" for P on maps like Incubus (T>P - at least until Garimto came along) or Neo Bifrost (Z>P - until the map was trashed because it was hopeless!). .[/QUOTE] hmm well, then I think I've got something wrong I always thought Incubus favored protoss, and I have always been playing like it favored me. for an exampel, when I played a bo.3 vs a terran in the old days, If I lost first map I always choosed incubus cuz it was so easy to play pvt on it. but mabye it's just me.[/QUOTE]It's just you. | ||
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FancyZerg
Afghanistan82 Posts
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
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cAtAcLySmIc
United States552 Posts
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Saiyo
France127 Posts
 !! Welll Garimto for Chojja would have been fine | ||
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Saiyo
France127 Posts
 Eugene!!!  any one know him? | ||
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