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On July 02 2010 15:42 khellian wrote:
Flash fanboy much Plexia?
How the hell can a player that recently loses HALF HIS FRIGGIN GAMES be the strongest player at the moment? Get over it and put him #2. Other then that it is fun to se Bisu back ofcourse, even if he still has alot to prove.
No, it's because of his blind, unreasonable hate on Jaedong for ridiculous reasons, I wouldn't say he's a Flash fanboy. He just becomes one if that means he has a chance of putting someone undeserving in front of Jaedong.
Yep, the arguments and the basis and such are all awful, wrong, double-standarded and just plain stupid. No wonder he hasn't even tried defending after saying how putting Jaedong in front of Stork in 2010 equals giving him the benefit of the doubt. I wouldn't be able to defend either if I had said something this awfully wrong.
On July 02 2010 10:10 Waxangel wrote:
I'm kind of annoyed with this ranking because the criteria is not consistent enough with the past editions of power rank. In the past PR has been based very much on recent results, even the ones Plexa has written. It's kind of jarring to see it abruptly change to "overall power rank over unlimited period".
You have to remember it's Jaedong in question here, Plexa is willing to change his reasoning to anything as long as it's possible to keep Jaedong off the first place, along with looking at the games with completely skewed eyes and as much bias and unreasonable subjectivism as possible.
And no it's not an all-time PR, in that case Jaedong's golden mouse and such would deserve a higher spot, it's just a "Power-rank-taking-only-the-period-of-time-when-Flash-did-better-than-Jaedong-although-it-wasn't-last-month" PR.
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On July 02 2010 10:10 Waxangel wrote:
I'm kind of annoyed with this ranking because the criteria is not consistent enough with the past editions of power rank. In the past PR has been based very much on recent results, even the ones Plexa has written. It's kind of jarring to see it abruptly change to "overall power rank over unlimited period".
ya, that's the only thing that bothered me. guess  NaDa deserves a spot in top 5 at least.
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Plexa, just in case you're reading these posts and you've had a bad day already, know that we love you and appreciate the great work you do for TL. You're great!
Sincerely, thank you.
P.S. ...even if some of us think you developed a sudden and temporary case of mild retardation while writing the first two spots of the PR.
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On July 02 2010 17:31 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2010 15:42 khellian wrote:
Flash fanboy much Plexia?
How the hell can a player that recently loses HALF HIS FRIGGIN GAMES be the strongest player at the moment? Get over it and put him #2. Other then that it is fun to se Bisu back ofcourse, even if he still has alot to prove. Who would you put your money on over Flash in a bo1, bo3, or bo5 right now? Maybe Jaedong (but honestly I'd still go Flash). So that's a possible reason. That said, I definitely think it's debatable. I was surprised to see Flash #1.
I would put my money on Jaedong first, then Flash. And to be totally honst, I would have done the other way around a few months ago, so I am not TOTALY blind. ^_*
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Like, are you serious? Flash lost a hard-fought battle to Ruby? Flash lost a hard-fought battle against Really? Like, are you saying those games were even, and then Flash fought hard... and lost? How does that give him an aura of invincibility? It gives him an aura of a weak player, if he had lost to cheese you'd have an excuse. In this case, the only thing you can have is "Flash played poorly". Those are freaking TvTs, it's probably the most skill-based match-up in the game, you just don't "fluke" numerous games vs a much better opponent(unlike zvz).
The only hard-fought game Flash had was against s2. And the fact that Flash just barely managed to beat s2 should speak for itself. This PR is ludicrous, the reasoning here is absolutely mind-blowing. Not to mention every other fact being wrong. Not to mention blind fanboy-glasses despite him not being a fanboy. For what reason? So that he'd have an excuse not to place Jaedong first.
How can you write a PR when you can't look at the games objectively? Why would you even volunteer if you know you can't make an accurate PR? Why don't you stay true to the formula with which you form your PRs? Explain to me what aura you see in Flash's games where he gets completely outplayed and downright humiliated in a straight-up macro game?
On July 02 2010 17:44 danl9rm wrote:
Plexa, just in case you're reading these posts and you've had a bad day already, know that we love you and appreciate the great work you do for TL. You're great!
Sincerely, thank you.
P.S. ...even if some of us think you developed a sudden and temporary case of mild retardation while writing the first two spots of the PR.
The reason is clear and it's not retardation, it's just a blind hate, something that shouldn't be a part of anyone writing an accurate PR.
EDIT: By the way, after I'm done with Flash - Jaedong, I'll get to Fantasy - Effort, the rest of this PR is wrong as well and implies double-standards and inconsistent logic and reasoning.
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On July 02 2010 17:58 Fx_ wrote:
Flash #1??
LOL
I can't help but agree with your post whole-heartedly!
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On July 02 2010 17:31 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2010 15:42 khellian wrote:
Flash fanboy much Plexia?
How the hell can a player that recently loses HALF HIS FRIGGIN GAMES be the strongest player at the moment? Get over it and put him #2. Other then that it is fun to se Bisu back ofcourse, even if he still has alot to prove. Who would you put your money on over Flash in a bo1, bo3, or bo5 right now? Maybe Jaedong (but honestly I'd still go Flash). So that's a possible reason. That said, I definitely think it's debatable. I was surprised to see Flash #1.
lol honestly Jaedong for sure.
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I'm surprised to see on your "considered" list that HiYa wasn't on there, even Kal was on there and he's been having a terrible month. HiYa's been on a tear with the exception with a few SPL losses, but he's been convincingly dominating the SL scene
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On July 02 2010 14:06 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2010 13:36 SimonB wrote:
I wonder if Savior's moral demise has caused a mass migration of his hardcore fans to JD.
JD's always had some pretty delusional fans, but it's taken to new levels now. How is it delusional to expect Flash at #2? Even if you're a hardcore Flash fan, you can't argue that it isn't at least close enough to make it debatable.
That post was made partly in response to the posts above it which said that the 3-0 against JD was a fluke and to a general feeling—what with JD dominating every poll on TL over the last month or so.
Generally, this whole "JD NEEDS TO BE #1" talk hinges on the idea that the most recent games are so very important, and that they prove that Flash has gone into some sort of deep slump.
All other things being equal, naturally the most recent games should be weighted the most. HOWEVER, June was pretty much a big sleepy lull on Flash's schedule. He had no prelim games, and KT was never seriously threatened for their top seed and clinched at least #2 ages ago.
Furthermore, ~10 games doesn't really say a whole lot about any player. (I think more people need to be more familiar with the importance of sample sizes).
It should take significantly more to knock Flash off his perch of 8 months dominance. This isn't all 8 months either, it has to be made aware over and over again that Flash 3-0ed JD 32 days ago.
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Heh, Flash #1.
Plexa must really hate Jaedong...
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On July 02 2010 17:31 darktreb wrote:
Who would you put your money on over Flash in a bo1, bo3, or bo5 right now? Maybe Jaedong (but honestly I'd still go Flash). So that's a possible reason.
That said, I definitely think it's debatable. I was surprised to see Flash #1.
After watching Flash almost lose to S2 last night, it is an easy choice to go with Jaedong in a series. I cannot wait until they play again in a series. It will be interesting to see the adjustments each player makes. I highly doubt JD will sit back and let Flash 14cc and Flash is going to have to be more aggressive in his scouting or attacks than his recent play or people are just going to start ninja expanding on him every game.
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On July 02 2010 18:11 SimonB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2010 14:06 TheYango wrote:On July 02 2010 13:36 SimonB wrote:
I wonder if Savior's moral demise has caused a mass migration of his hardcore fans to JD.
JD's always had some pretty delusional fans, but it's taken to new levels now. How is it delusional to expect Flash at #2? Even if you're a hardcore Flash fan, you can't argue that it isn't at least close enough to make it debatable. That post was made partly in response to the posts above it which said that the 3-0 against JD was a fluke and to a general feeling—what with JD dominating every poll on TL over the last month or so. Generally, this whole "JD NEEDS TO BE #1" talk hinges on the idea that the most recent games are so very important, and that they prove that Flash has gone into some sort of deep slump. All other things being equal, naturally the most recent games should be weighted the most. HOWEVER, June was pretty much a big sleepy lull on Flash's schedule. He had no prelim games, and KT was never seriously threatened for their top seed and clinched at least #2 ages ago. Furthermore, ~10 games doesn't really say a whole lot about any player. (I think more people need to be more familiar with the importance of sample sizes). It should take significantly more to knock Flash off his perch of 8 months dominance. This isn't all 8 months either, it has to be made aware over and over again that Flash 3-0ed JD 32 days ago.
Look,
If Flash > Jaedong, Effort > Fantasy.
If Jaedong > Flash, Fantasy > Effort.
If Flash > Jaedong, Fantasy > Effort(how it is), there's bias and inconsistency.
Did you watch Flash's game vs s2? It was like... Hiya level tvz at best. He'd have lost that game to Hyuk or anyone better than him. He lost to every single decent player last month, except Kal who's been doing awfully. Do you think Flash is the kind of a player who doesn't play properly in games that aren't must-win? Do you think he just doesn't try in his Ace matches? Do you think that's how he had a near-90% winrate for a while?
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I thought the Power Rank isn't up yet because Flash is still #1. But when I clicked the link, I Lol'ed 
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11 games (5-6) are not good enough to indicate weakness? and 3 games in a single day (final 0-3)
are more accurate on that?
who's better? a player that wakes up every day and beats everyone helping his team or someone that had a good day?
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Except Flash had more like 9 good months, not one good day.  Let him have his record breaking PR #1 streak as a tribute to that. He deserves it.
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On July 02 2010 19:03 Holgerius wrote:Except Flash had more like 9 good months, not one good day. Let him have his record breaking PR #1 streak as a tribute to that. He deserves it.
Problem is the Power Rank isn't a tribute rank, it's a Power Rank. It's not the past that matters, it's the present.
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On July 02 2010 19:03 Holgerius wrote:Except Flash had more like 9 good months, not one good day. Let him have his record breaking PR #1 streak as a tribute to that. He deserves it.
No he doesn't, no I won't. Both December and January Jaedong could very well have been #1. + above post. Maybe we should let have Nada be #1 in every future PR, because he deserves it you know?
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I can't remember if Bisu lost that streak having a worst month than Flash
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