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On June 14 2010 21:44 meegrean wrote:
Posts + Average post per week as well would probably better insight about user.
This would be nice. Seriously, people who spam every thread they see with one to two words like 'awesome!' '+1', the name of the progamer being discussed, or 'This' are so irritating. Padding post stats doesn't make you a 'veteran' in my eyes. I'd rather read an MDT thread or 7mk comment than most of the people who manage 500 posts a week.
On June 14 2010 21:39 Eatme wrote:
Postcount in profile and joindate where the postcount is. If not keep it as it is now.
On June 14 2010 22:17 NuKedUFirst wrote:
Post count and date joined, Posts:500 Date: 08/07/07 or something like that would be excellent ^_^
Either of these would be fine as well. I usually check join dates because I don't trust the raw post count number.
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On June 14 2010 22:22 KasPra wrote:
If you take the post count down people will post less and there will be a lot less useless posts imo, ive seen that action taken in a lot of forums and it usually works quite well. I voted i dont care though cause i never visit the sc2 forums.
Keeping post counts seems a nice way of seeing who a veteran is though as well as how active they are on the forums. But agreed, it might cut down on spam.
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I choosed "keep it as it is" but when I thought about it, I'd really like to see the "joined tl.net date" instead of post count. Either one or both!
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Post count is just a way to tell someone's quantity of posts and reveals nothing about quality . Post count doesn't really say anything about whether a person is a super spammer or a long term veteran.
I agree with the people that have said that Join Date is far more telling of a person's veteran status than whether a person has a high post count or not.
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if this is a matter of veterans and oldschoolness join date should replace post count.
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On June 14 2010 22:32 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
I choosed "keep it as it is" but when I thought about it, I'd really like to see the "joined tl.net date" instead of post count. Either one or both!
Agreed. Poll needs to have that option. I chose 'keep it as it is' but I'd prefer an option 'add join date' or 'posts per week'.
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On June 14 2010 22:41 diggurd wrote:
if this is a matter of veterans and oldschoolness join date should replace post count.
This is not OT. Having post count only is just fine imo. Having a join date appear instead of a post count encourages lurking and gives entitlement to users with a certain join date. The sites been around forever so a join date is pretty useless. Most posters before 07 are the "BW players" and a lot of the newer users are "BW players AND/OR SC2 players." Does that make them any different? Not really so why use join date?
Also post count is a better reflection of user quality than join date. Anyone who spams typically gets smacked by the ban stick a few times, and the mods MUST have a way to keep track of this.
On June 14 2010 22:24 wishbones wrote:
Post counts are awesome I always check a users post count before posting some of my responses to their posts. Lol, and then when I go and click user profile If they joined before me, with a post count of 2 I definitely change my post. Simply put, the longer a member has been here, the more leisure they have over me.
Well get me a soda!!!
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Please take off post counts. Countless of times, people discriminate other's ideas because they have only 50 posts. But the moment someone with 1000+ posts has an idea, a discussion would start. A join date would be slightly better, but you still shouldn't have it. People would start being biased toward people who so happened to make an account early in TeamLiquid history, even if they post regularly or not.
What if you remove both completely? You won't have people padding threads with their one liners just to increase post count. People who are so eager for forum fame will have to try to get it by being recognized through quality posts. And discussions of strategy won't instantly get shut down because the person didn't not have high enough post count.
This isn't a matter of being a veteran or not, it is a matter of increasing quality of the forums and to reduce discrimination.
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i think it would be interesting as to see my own bias' if i could experience TL without post counts for a day or two and see what happens. i might read more posts.
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On June 14 2010 22:24 wishbones wrote:
Post counts are awesome I always check a users post count before posting some of my responses to their posts. Lol, and then when I go and click user profile If they joined before me, with a post count of 2 I definitely change my post. Simply put, the longer a member has been here, the more leisure they have over me.
In my opinion postcount should be only visible to admins and mods, so they can take their decisions in case of spam or bad posts etc.
On the other hand I don't see a real reason to keep them visible to everyone (if not to enlarge the ego of old users, which is not a valid reason in my opinion). It wouldn't be a problem if everyone was mature enough, but from my experience on tl forum, which lasts from 2006, that's not the case. I've seen many times the "old" user trash talking and acting cocky towards the newcomer just for his status.
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Yeah, keep as is. I actually look at post count before I see the name. In a LR I know who said what by their post count. If it is a new number, like 788, and no one I've seen recently has that much in the LR, then I will scan the name in conjunction with the message to see if what they say has any value.
It is a bit coarse and somewhat unscrupulous, but I don't think users have oodles of time to constantly check join dates and other info.
EDIT: Join Date does not equal (~=) time spent on the forums. I can have joined six years ago, have rediscovered SC, and only now have started posting.
I think people just have to use a combination of info, including the posts themselves, previous posts, join date, post count, posts this week, etc.
In short, you are trading one kind of hole of information for another.
Besides. just because someone created an account on TL.net recently, does not mean they are a noob to the scene. Again, on the opposite end, just because someone joined a few years back does not make them an automatic veteran.
Long Time Member + Large Post count = Veteran (<- this is the only logical thing to conclude)
Long Time Member + Small Post count = ???
Short Time Member + Large Post count = ???
Short Time Member + Small Post count = ???
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I like the postcount system as it is. No need to change.
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On June 14 2010 23:03 Qwertify wrote:
Long Time Member + Large Post count = Veteran (<- this is the only logical thing to conclude)
Long Time Member + Small Post count = Lurker
Short Time Member + Large Post count = Spammer
Short Time Member + Small Post count = Newbie
There.
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On June 14 2010 23:03 Qwertify wrote:
Yeah, keep as is. I actually look at post count before I see the name. In a LR I know who said what by their post count. If it is a new number, like 788, and no one I've seen recently has that much in the LR, then I will scan the name in conjunction with the message to see if what they say has any value.
It is a bit coarse and somewhat unscrupulous, but I don't think users have oodles of time to constantly check join dates and other info.
EDIT: Join Date does not equal (~=) time spent on the forums. I can have joined six years ago, have rediscovered SC, and only now have started posting.
I think people just have to use a combination of info, including the posts themselves, previous posts, join date, post count, posts this week, etc.
In short, you are trading one kind of hole of information for another.
Besides. just because someone created an account on TL.net recently, does not mean they are a noob to the scene. Again, on the opposite end, just because someone joined a few years back does not make them an automatic veteran.
Long Time Member + Large Post count = Veteran (<- this is the only logical thing to conclude)
Long Time Member + Small Post count = ???
Short Time Member + Large Post count = ???
Short Time Member + Small Post count = ???
I agree with what you're saying here. However, I'd hasten to add that while join date certainly does not equal time spent on the forums, neither does a lack of post count signify a lack of time spent on the forums. It simply happens that some people lurk a lot and don't post but spend heaps of time here while others spam like crazy - irrespective of the total time they spend here.
I think the point is though, it shouldn't matter greatly if you're new to tl or have been here since the beginning. What seems more important is the quality of what you write, your contributions to the community and the way you treat other people on tl. Let me say though that I agree that forum members who have been here for years or do stacks for the site/community deserve everyone's respect. And in some cases adulation  (unless they're pricks  )
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EDIT: Join Date does not equal (~=) time spent on the forums. I can have joined six years ago, have rediscovered SC, and only now have started posting.
Posting frequency and post count are equal with the time spent on forums? I do not think so.
There are people who just like reading stuff too. Why should someone post in every possible topic? Just to "post something very important" - what usually has not got any value or does not have to do anything with the actual question/discussion.
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i don't really care if the post count gets changed or not but the real question is, does it serve a higher purpose? i mean I've been reading TL for a long time but only just recently joined....dunno why but i just did..... other then e-peen does post count help for anything or is it a detriment of anything? for that reason why are you guys asking this now?
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keep it as it is. odds are, some guy with 5000+ posts will be more knowledgeable and more worth reading than some guy with 200 posts that joined after the beta started
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As an easily impressionable newbie, I like having the post count visible. Between it and the avatars, I can throw a slight bias towards the more experienced users' opinions.
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Remove postcount entirely (46) 11%
=> Result: less spam ^^
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On June 14 2010 21:46 Kyo Yuy wrote:
A low post count does not imply a new member. I just don't post that much because I don't have that much that I want to say.
This plus thing is that if I don't have anything good to say I rather keep it to myself and prefer not to troll.
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Please keep. It is very important for those of us who need to compensate for qualities lacking in real life.
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