EPTI don't mind if you want to put Effort over Jaedong or vice versa, they're both close enough for most opinions on the matter to be valid, but no one deserves to be over Flash, plain and simple.
Power Rank 05/03/2010 - Page 45
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
I don't mind if you want to put Effort over Jaedong or vice versa, they're both close enough for most opinions on the matter to be valid, but no one deserves to be over Flash, plain and simple. | ||
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JonathanJohnson
17 Posts
On June 13 2009 05:49 JWD wrote: That makes total sense, and it gets at a really simple point about my PR philosophy: the rank should be based on both "who is better right now (i.e. who would win an ideal Bo5)" and "who was most impressive over the last month". Even if Bisu may still be a slight favorite in a hypothetical Bo5, Effort has earned his #1 spot by simply posting better results recently. it might help you to recall that this quote comes from a power rank where effort was ranked first for defeating jaedong(who was listed #1 at the time) and posting a good month, and then the following month dropped off the list entirely. Also note that not only did effort defeat flash in a bo5, but it was for the OSL(aka pinnacle of starcraft), and he was 0-2 to start, and its zvt and tough maps, i think that qualifies as pretty darn impressive at least for the last month. Also many fans were not happy with the ranking of effort above JD and Bisu, but they did it anyway | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
I don't care who is who's fan, Effort shouldn't be over Flash. Period. He didn't achieve as much, nor is his gameplay particularly better. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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JonathanJohnson
17 Posts
On May 31 2010 00:48 TwoToneTerran wrote: Effort dropping off the list the next month is a testament to how volatile rewarding someone for one success is. Regardless, you're really loopy if you think winning the OSL is better than winning the MSL and getting silver in the OSL. I don't care who is who's fan, Effort shouldn't be over Flash. Period. He didn't achieve as much, nor is his gameplay particularly better. Oh its an achievement rank now? gameplay rank? Come on man, welcome to the world of dissenting opinions. I find it amusing that the situation i refer to is almost an exact parallel to the current one except in that case we had JD and Bisu in contention and now its Flash and JD. And low and behold here comes lil Effort AGAIN to knock off the champ and steal his mouse(if only for a brief flickering of time) | ||
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JonathanJohnson
17 Posts
On May 31 2010 00:52 J1.au wrote: Don't even bother to argue TwoToneTerran, JonathanJohnson is a troll. Oh yes we be trollin, but the facts be trollin harder | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
I really don't think any PR writer would drop Flash to #2 after this month... "Player X only got a silver + gold this month", isn't enough to drop anyone who's been so far ahead of others for a year now. Even if he lose one Bo5 with 2-3 score. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Effort isn't 25-3 or whatever ridiculous number it was last time. Last time there were no titles involved, and very little series play. It's a totally different situation with totally different factors and all your arguments are "Fans are stupid!" and the he posted better results, when he didn't. I mean, if you want me to use your ridiculous argument style against you, this isn't the OSL ranking. This isn't the results ranking. See how stupid that is? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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JonathanJohnson
17 Posts
On May 31 2010 00:56 TwoToneTerran wrote: Gasp, achievements and gameplay factor into a power rank. Goddamn you are ridiculous. Effort isn't 25-3 or whatever ridiculous number it was last time. Last time there were no titles involved, and very little series play. It's a totally different situation with totally different factors and all your arguments are "Fans are stupid!" and the he posted better results, when he didn't. I mean, if you want me to use your ridiculous argument style against you, this isn't the OSL ranking. This isn't the results ranking. See how stupid that is? You arent arguing with me anymore, you are arguing with the makers of this ranking whose quotes you made me dredge up from several months ago, ty for that. So if you please address them and not me in the future. And note going 25-3 and winning a starleague against tremendous odds are not very different. I would compare it to Buster Douglas tagging Mike Tyson in Japan. But anyway we all have our opinions, hopefully this little discussion gives you a slightly different perspective on things even if you decide not to change yours | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
And Chill's statement isn't a free ride for a randomass power rank. I can put Hoejja and Nal_rA at the top of my power rank because I think they're really cool dudes but that doesn't make it reasonable or intelligent, just so inanely biased that it's obviously wrong. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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JonathanJohnson
17 Posts
On May 31 2010 01:09 TwoToneTerran wrote: Don't get me started, I argued the fuck out of JWD for awhile. lol =D | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On May 31 2010 01:10 o[twist] wrote: counterargument: everyone hated JWD's power ranks, they were the worst in the history of the PR and showcased extreme bias justified by whatever arguments available Negative, SKT1 fans loved JWD power ranks  | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
You might point to the PR where Light and Sea were ranked above Jaedong. However, Jaedong was in a mini-slump then, as opposed to him being in excellent form right now. EffOrt has not shown the consistency required to be one of the top two players in the world. Period. | ||
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JonathanJohnson
17 Posts
On May 31 2010 01:12 jalstar wrote: I'm not sure you understand the current BW scene, Jonathan. Flash and Jaedong have been the uncontested #1 and #2 since last October. There have been a few players who have had good streaks since then, like Light in Winner's League, but no one has been as consistently dominant as them. EffOrt has been playing well for slightly over a month, a feat far less impressive than playing well for over half a year. You might point to the PR where Light and Sea were ranked above Jaedong. However, Jaedong was in a mini-slump then, as opposed to him being in excellent form right now. EffOrt has not shown the consistency required to be one of the top two players in the world. Period. Everytime i see someone use the word "period", I think about a very strong willed horse stamping the ground until it makes a little hole and gets his hoof stuck in it | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2246 Posts
God, remember the time when flash was in a tournament finals WITHOUT a single loss and JWD didn't even put him on PR? So much rage back then. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On May 31 2010 01:49 johanes wrote: God, remember the time when flash was in a tournament finals WITHOUT a single loss and JWD didn't even put him on PR? So much rage back then. Nope, actually not. Flash didn't deserve to be in the PR in that month since he was out early in the MSL, OSL and PL. Everyone on that rank deserved it more than Flash. And most of the Flash fanboys even agreed with it since at that time Flash didnt show any signs of recovery. Of course then Flash proved us wrong with starting his domination. But Flash out of that PR was justified. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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