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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 15:20:56
May 30 2010 15:20 GMT
#881
Effort didn't post better results than Flash, even if you want to say that. It goes back to when Flash stayed over Jaedong despite Jaedong beating him in the MSL -- Flash was in 2 finals, won one of them, and still has the most dominant PL showing of all time.

I don't mind if you want to put Effort over Jaedong or vice versa, they're both close enough for most opinions on the matter to be valid, but no one deserves to be over Flash, plain and simple.
Remember Violet.
JonathanJohnson
Profile Joined May 2010
17 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 15:39:38
May 30 2010 15:30 GMT
#882
On June 13 2009 05:49 JWD wrote:
That makes total sense, and it gets at a really simple point about my PR philosophy: the rank should be based on both "who is better right now (i.e. who would win an ideal Bo5)" and "who was most impressive over the last month". Even if Bisu may still be a slight favorite in a hypothetical Bo5, Effort has earned his #1 spot by simply posting better results recently.





it might help you to recall that this quote comes from a power rank where effort was ranked first for defeating jaedong(who was listed #1 at the time) and posting a good month, and then the following month dropped off the list entirely. Also note that not only did effort defeat flash in a bo5, but it was for the OSL(aka pinnacle of starcraft), and he was 0-2 to start, and its zvt and tough maps, i think that qualifies as pretty darn impressive at least for the last month.

Also many fans were not happy with the ranking of effort above JD and Bisu, but they did it anyway

TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 15:49:03
May 30 2010 15:48 GMT
#883
Effort dropping off the list the next month is a testament to how volatile rewarding someone for one success is -- remember when JWD ranked Zero over Jaedong and TheZerg over Calm? Bad mistakes that he quickly rescinded the next month. Regardless, you're really loopy if you think winning the OSL is better than winning the MSL and getting silver in the OSL.

I don't care who is who's fan, Effort shouldn't be over Flash. Period. He didn't achieve as much, nor is his gameplay particularly better.
Remember Violet.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 30 2010 15:52 GMT
#884
Don't even bother to argue TwoToneTerran, JonathanJohnson is a troll.
JonathanJohnson
Profile Joined May 2010
17 Posts
May 30 2010 15:52 GMT
#885
On May 31 2010 00:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Effort dropping off the list the next month is a testament to how volatile rewarding someone for one success is. Regardless, you're really loopy if you think winning the OSL is better than winning the MSL and getting silver in the OSL.

I don't care who is who's fan, Effort shouldn't be over Flash. Period. He didn't achieve as much, nor is his gameplay particularly better.


Oh its an achievement rank now? gameplay rank? Come on man, welcome to the world of dissenting opinions. I find it amusing that the situation i refer to is almost an exact parallel to the current one except in that case we had JD and Bisu in contention and now its Flash and JD.

And low and behold here comes lil Effort AGAIN to knock off the champ and steal his mouse(if only for a brief flickering of time)
JonathanJohnson
Profile Joined May 2010
17 Posts
May 30 2010 15:54 GMT
#886
On May 31 2010 00:52 J1.au wrote:
Don't even bother to argue TwoToneTerran, JonathanJohnson is a troll.


Oh yes we be trollin, but the facts be trollin harder
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 30 2010 15:56 GMT
#887
Look Jonathan.
I really don't think any PR writer would drop Flash to #2 after this month...

"Player X only got a silver + gold this month", isn't enough to drop anyone who's been so far ahead of others for a year now.

Even if he lose one Bo5 with 2-3 score.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 30 2010 15:56 GMT
#888
Gasp, achievements and gameplay factor into a power rank. Goddamn you are ridiculous.

Effort isn't 25-3 or whatever ridiculous number it was last time. Last time there were no titles involved, and very little series play. It's a totally different situation with totally different factors and all your arguments are "Fans are stupid!" and the he posted better results, when he didn't.

I mean, if you want me to use your ridiculous argument style against you, this isn't the OSL ranking. This isn't the results ranking. See how stupid that is?
Remember Violet.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 30 2010 15:56 GMT
#889
Man I am getting trolled so hard right now. It's just too easy to troll me with stupidity. =(
Remember Violet.
JonathanJohnson
Profile Joined May 2010
17 Posts
May 30 2010 16:07 GMT
#890
On May 31 2010 00:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Gasp, achievements and gameplay factor into a power rank. Goddamn you are ridiculous.

Effort isn't 25-3 or whatever ridiculous number it was last time. Last time there were no titles involved, and very little series play. It's a totally different situation with totally different factors and all your arguments are "Fans are stupid!" and the he posted better results, when he didn't.

I mean, if you want me to use your ridiculous argument style against you, this isn't the OSL ranking. This isn't the results ranking. See how stupid that is?


You arent arguing with me anymore, you are arguing with the makers of this ranking whose quotes you made me dredge up from several months ago, ty for that. So if you please address them and not me in the future. And note going 25-3 and winning a starleague against tremendous odds are not very different. I would compare it to Buster Douglas tagging Mike Tyson in Japan.

But anyway we all have our opinions, hopefully this little discussion gives you a slightly different perspective on things even if you decide not to change yours
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 16:10:33
May 30 2010 16:09 GMT
#891
Don't get me started, I argued the fuck out of JWD for awhile.

And Chill's statement isn't a free ride for a randomass power rank. I can put Hoejja and Nal_rA at the top of my power rank because I think they're really cool dudes but that doesn't make it reasonable or intelligent, just so inanely biased that it's obviously wrong.
Remember Violet.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 30 2010 16:10 GMT
#892
counterargument: everyone hated JWD's power ranks, they were the worst in the history of the PR and showcased extreme bias justified by whatever arguments available
JonathanJohnson
Profile Joined May 2010
17 Posts
May 30 2010 16:12 GMT
#893
On May 31 2010 01:09 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Don't get me started, I argued the fuck out of JWD for awhile.


lol =D
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 30 2010 16:12 GMT
#894
On May 31 2010 01:10 o[twist] wrote:
counterargument: everyone hated JWD's power ranks, they were the worst in the history of the PR and showcased extreme bias justified by whatever arguments available


Negative, SKT1 fans loved JWD power ranks
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
May 30 2010 16:12 GMT
#895
I'm not sure you understand the current BW scene, Jonathan. Flash and Jaedong have been the uncontested #1 and #2 since last October. There have been a few players who have had good streaks since then, like Light in Winner's League, but no one has been as consistently dominant as them. EffOrt has been playing well for slightly over a month, a feat far less impressive than playing well for over half a year.

You might point to the PR where Light and Sea were ranked above Jaedong. However, Jaedong was in a mini-slump then, as opposed to him being in excellent form right now. EffOrt has not shown the consistency required to be one of the top two players in the world. Period.
JonathanJohnson
Profile Joined May 2010
17 Posts
May 30 2010 16:19 GMT
#896
On May 31 2010 01:12 jalstar wrote:
I'm not sure you understand the current BW scene, Jonathan. Flash and Jaedong have been the uncontested #1 and #2 since last October. There have been a few players who have had good streaks since then, like Light in Winner's League, but no one has been as consistently dominant as them. EffOrt has been playing well for slightly over a month, a feat far less impressive than playing well for over half a year.

You might point to the PR where Light and Sea were ranked above Jaedong. However, Jaedong was in a mini-slump then, as opposed to him being in excellent form right now. EffOrt has not shown the consistency required to be one of the top two players in the world. Period.


Everytime i see someone use the word "period", I think about a very strong willed horse stamping the ground until it makes a little hole and gets his hoof stuck in it
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 30 2010 16:21 GMT
#897
Don't mess with that horse, man. He's vicious.
Remember Violet.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2227 Posts
May 30 2010 16:49 GMT
#898
On May 31 2010 01:12 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 01:10 o[twist] wrote:
counterargument: everyone hated JWD's power ranks, they were the worst in the history of the PR and showcased extreme bias justified by whatever arguments available


Negative, SKT1 fans loved JWD power ranks

God, remember the time when flash was in a tournament finals WITHOUT a single loss and JWD didn't even put him on PR? So much rage back then.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 30 2010 17:00 GMT
#899
On May 31 2010 01:49 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 01:12 SuperArc wrote:
On May 31 2010 01:10 o[twist] wrote:
counterargument: everyone hated JWD's power ranks, they were the worst in the history of the PR and showcased extreme bias justified by whatever arguments available


Negative, SKT1 fans loved JWD power ranks

God, remember the time when flash was in a tournament finals WITHOUT a single loss and JWD didn't even put him on PR? So much rage back then.


Nope, actually not. Flash didn't deserve to be in the PR in that month since he was out early in the MSL, OSL and PL. Everyone on that rank deserved it more than Flash.

And most of the Flash fanboys even agreed with it since at that time Flash didnt show any signs of recovery.

Of course then Flash proved us wrong with starting his domination. But Flash out of that PR was justified.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 30 2010 17:04 GMT
#900
The only problem with that rank was the hypocrisy of stuff like Bisu still at #3 and the SKT fandom etc etc. Also the "Flash's TvZ is bad" argument when he was 6-2 TvZ. We didn't argue with it because we were tired of arguing and no one believed us that he was still good. Flash kind of made up for it.
Remember Violet.
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