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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 22 2010 19:17 GMT
#601
I still stand by my statement that not including Effort was a mistake, both based on his performance in April and his recent performance obviously fortifies my past statement even more.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 22 2010 19:40 GMT
#602
Yep, if he keeps playing like this I wouldn't be surprised to see him in CBNC in a couple of months.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
conTAgi0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States335 Posts
May 22 2010 20:10 GMT
#603
On May 22 2010 22:17 Holgerius wrote:
Flash is gonna have to beat JD to keep #1 now.

Yeah pretty clearly. He's going to have to step up his game significantly though. (Z)EffOrt's looked good recently but (Z)Jaedong's been absolutely terrifying and he's on quite a roll.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 22 2010 20:27 GMT
#604
On May 23 2010 05:10 conTAgi0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 22:17 Holgerius wrote:
Flash is gonna have to beat JD to keep #1 now.

Yeah pretty clearly. He's going to have to step up his game significantly though. (Z)EffOrt's looked good recently but (Z)Jaedong's been absolutely terrifying and he's on quite a roll.

He just has to be more careful I think. His gameplay was awesome.
Look at his games 1 and 2, I think he can play like that and still take the dong down.

He just needs to work at his early midgame which has been lacking abit lately...
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 20:37:44
May 22 2010 20:32 GMT
#605
On May 23 2010 05:27 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 05:10 conTAgi0n wrote:
On May 22 2010 22:17 Holgerius wrote:
Flash is gonna have to beat JD to keep #1 now.

Yeah pretty clearly. He's going to have to step up his game significantly though. (Z)EffOrt's looked good recently but (Z)Jaedong's been absolutely terrifying and he's on quite a roll.

He just has to be more careful I think. His gameplay was awesome.
Look at his games 1 and 2, I think he can play like that and still take the dong down.

He just needs to work at his early midgame which has been lacking abit lately...


Sorry man. Not happening. He didn't play that good in games 1 and 2. The mistakes he made would have lost him those games against the dong. Talking about 1 before the re.

Also, can we drop the b-word already??
WWJDD??
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 22 2010 20:45 GMT
#606
Stop being an idiot.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 22 2010 20:47 GMT
#607
On May 23 2010 05:32 WWJDD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 05:27 StylishVODs wrote:
On May 23 2010 05:10 conTAgi0n wrote:
On May 22 2010 22:17 Holgerius wrote:
Flash is gonna have to beat JD to keep #1 now.

Yeah pretty clearly. He's going to have to step up his game significantly though. (Z)EffOrt's looked good recently but (Z)Jaedong's been absolutely terrifying and he's on quite a roll.

He just has to be more careful I think. His gameplay was awesome.
Look at his games 1 and 2, I think he can play like that and still take the dong down.

He just needs to work at his early midgame which has been lacking abit lately...


Sorry man. Not happening. He didn't play that good in games 1 and 2. The mistakes he made would have lost him those games against the dong. Talking about 1 before the re.

Also, can we drop the b-word already??

What mistakes are you talking about? Yes he made a mismicro in the early midgame in game 2 as I said. And the restart game? So, a drone got into his base... its not really something hard that needs to be fixed.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 22 2010 20:49 GMT
#608
On May 23 2010 04:17 Shikyo wrote:
I still stand by my statement that not including Effort was a mistake, both based on his performance in April and his recent performance obviously fortifies my past statement even more.


and don't forget Snow, deserved CBNC.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
May 22 2010 22:27 GMT
#609
After the OSL I'd say:

1. Winner of MSL
2. Loser of MSL
3. Effort
4. Kal
5. Calm

rest can go any way, but no way does Flash deserve #1 if he loses both finals. Kal, Calm, or both should be dropped out of the top 5 if STX loses to SKT.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 22 2010 22:29 GMT
#610
TLnet is so fucking fickle. I'm never sure if I should be LOL'ing or nerd raging every time I read this kind of a thread.

I'll post my remarks in a spoiler because, well, most of this discussion going on right now should be spoilerized and I hope the admins to decide to give some warnings to some of you...

+ Show Spoiler +

Right now, Flash is still the clear #1 on the next PR and unless JD massacres him, that will still be true. This is a mark against calling him bonjwa, but if he beats JD (especially if he can do so convincingly) we might be able to ignore that. After all, JD is the true rival, the true threat to Flash's coronation as bonjwa (I actually like Effort more than JD, but it's a fact that JD's stamp on Starcraft as a Zerg gamer is only matched by Yellow and Savior).

What Effort has done is secure a top 3 position, possibly even #2, and potentially, hypothetically, a #1 if both JD and Flash suddenly decide to play like utter shit (chance of happening? very very low). Anything else would be wrong.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
May 23 2010 02:02 GMT
#611
+ Show Spoiler +
With a win against Flash, Jaedong would have a BETTER record than Flash over their last 30 games. That combined with a head-to-head win and Flash's lack of titles should put JD #1.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 23 2010 06:04 GMT
#612
On May 23 2010 11:02 jalstar wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
With a win against Flash, Jaedong would have a BETTER record than Flash over their last 30 games. That combined with a head-to-head win and Flash's lack of titles should put JD #1.

I agree with you, and your rankings listed three posts above.
Also Jaedong is cute :3
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
naisanza
Profile Joined July 2008
United States4 Posts
May 23 2010 08:27 GMT
#613
I've been watching sc for months now but havent been following it closely so I don't know where Bisu is, but I'm really hoping that he makes a come-back. I love Bisu vs. Flash games, because I love protoss.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-23 08:35:02
May 23 2010 08:33 GMT
#614
On May 23 2010 17:27 naisanza wrote:
I've been watching sc for months now but havent been following it closely so I don't know where Bisu is, but I'm really hoping that he makes a come-back. I love Bisu vs. Flash games, because I love protoss.


Bisu is in deep deep slump. >.>

SKT is in fact supported by its Zerg line up right now. I am not really sure what's wrong with Bisu. He was doing pretty decent in R1 and R2. But after losing to go.go twice, he slumped hardcore.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 23 2010 10:03 GMT
#615
On May 23 2010 17:33 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 17:27 naisanza wrote:
I've been watching sc for months now but havent been following it closely so I don't know where Bisu is, but I'm really hoping that he makes a come-back. I love Bisu vs. Flash games, because I love protoss.


Bisu is in deep deep slump. >.>

SKT is in fact supported by its Zerg line up right now. I am not really sure what's wrong with Bisu. He was doing pretty decent in R1 and R2. But after losing to go.go twice, he slumped hardcore.


SKT1 Toss haven't been playing anywhere near S-class since Kingdom left.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 23 2010 10:18 GMT
#616
On May 23 2010 07:29 Mortality wrote:
TLnet is so fucking fickle. I'm never sure if I should be LOL'ing or nerd raging every time I read this kind of a thread.

I'll post my remarks in a spoiler because, well, most of this discussion going on right now should be spoilerized and I hope the admins to decide to give some warnings to some of you...

+ Show Spoiler +

Right now, Flash is still the clear #1 on the next PR and unless JD massacres him, that will still be true. This is a mark against calling him bonjwa, but if he beats JD (especially if he can do so convincingly) we might be able to ignore that. After all, JD is the true rival, the true threat to Flash's coronation as bonjwa (I actually like Effort more than JD, but it's a fact that JD's stamp on Starcraft as a Zerg gamer is only matched by Yellow and Savior).

What Effort has done is secure a top 3 position, possibly even #2, and potentially, hypothetically, a #1 if both JD and Flash suddenly decide to play like utter shit (chance of happening? very very low). Anything else would be wrong.

I agree with you that Flash is the #1 player unless Jaedong really shows that he is the BETTER player during that series and not just win like Effort did.
Imo reaching both finals and taking no gold is more impressive than taking a gold. However then you must look more than a month back.

The fact that the players try SOO hard to get an early game advantage vs Flash proves that they think it's really hard to win a straight up game vs him.

I just don't know if the PR will reflect on who actually has more skill or who wins and gets the results for this month. Coz if it reflects who gets the job done and Flash loses both finals I can't really defend that.

Seriously people shouldn't read PR if they don't want games spoiled. Ever.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
May 23 2010 10:48 GMT
#617
--- Nuked ---
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 23 2010 11:16 GMT
#618
On May 23 2010 19:48 InFdude wrote:
I agree with the post above me . We all know that 2 finals are > 6 SL titles . IMO we should put Flash at N1 and his monitor at N2 because it is the only thing that can beat flash in a stright up game .

I'm sorry I was unaware that Jaedong got 6 SL titles this month. My mistake..
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
May 23 2010 11:58 GMT
#619
+ Show Spoiler +
It's hard to deny that Effort got a 4-2 lead head-to-head vs Flash this month and a starleague gold.
...And if JD wins he will have better over-all record as well as head-to-head than Flash. But I guess Flash fans defend their god no mather what.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
May 23 2010 12:35 GMT
#620
On May 23 2010 20:58 Elroi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
It's hard to deny that Effort got a 4-2 lead head-to-head vs Flash this month and a starleague gold.
...And if JD wins he will have better over-all record as well as head-to-head than Flash. But I guess Flash fans defend their god no mather what.


Most Flash fans are agreeing that if JD wins the finals he deserves #1. It's pretty incredible that someone can make 2 finals simultaneously (and 4 out of the last 4 finals) and not be #1, but Jaedong has been playing so well and deserves the benefit of the doubt given his overall aura and legacy (which in my opinion should contribute to your "power" for their rank)

But as for Effort, it's not just your record but how you win the games. If you really think Effort should be above Flash for going 4-2 against him while getting crushed in both games that he didn't get a gigantic early game advantage in, well, that's just ridiculous. I'm not trying to discount Effort's great play to get those advantages but come on. Savior once got crushed in a final 3-0 and retained #1, and he deserved to stay there. Circumstances dictate that JD should get #1 if he wins the finals but there's no way Effort should be above Flash.
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