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On May 22 2010 02:57 adelarge wrote:pvzvt - There isn't any obscure meaning. I really don't feel like rewrite what I posted, but I could do it, should more people be confused. For now, just rest assured that I'm definitely not trying to undermine all the amazing stuff JD did for his team. Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 02:05 animus123 wrote:On May 22 2010 00:36 StylishVODs wrote:On May 22 2010 00:16 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:On May 21 2010 22:15 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash AK'd Oz before too. Doesn't mean much. yes i never said flash didnt but the guy above me tried to make it look jaedong does nothing in proleague he brought some examples so i gave my own to counter I think you mistunderstood his post. no no i think i got the drift of it No, the drift of it is; should you really base an arguement that determines a player is better than another based on something other than the whole piucture? By explaining as you did you add to the picture, which was something you weren't supposed to do following that logic. yeah you only need to look at the Flash Fan Club picture. I stated a list of facts and asked a simple question. You didn't make any new argument, nor you tried to find an answer. You just dodged it and attacked a group of people...that's really not helping to improve the image of stereotypical Jaedong fan.
i think we've done our damage ......
and btw some of your examples were really cheap shots
u can take every incident and point it the way u want i just pointed it the way i wanted what's not fair about it
but i think we overtalked the subject there isnt any way to prove anything
sure flash is playing the best starcraft i've ever seen breaking all records
and calling it a streak is ludicrous cause u can see its his "normal pace" since it lasts for quite some time
but not being able to defeat the "2nd" best player at the moment in a bo5 while jaedong is doing fairly amz as well this month ( and for some time ,just not so consistent).
it all depends on the scale of time u look at , if u take their all career into consideration jaedong is better
if u take last half year its flash with out a doubt with no competition (a side the little msl finals incident)
and if u take this last month  well than we will have to wait and see
lets just agree we and all the forum are lucky to have the 2 best players in starcraft live and play at the same time and will play a bo5 in the finals
awesome is a puny word that can not describe it !
gooooo jaedong
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(Monitor) power outage to make an epic comeback.
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On May 22 2010 19:34 okum wrote:
(Monitor) power outage to make an epic comeback.
I hope less people will hate Effort for his mouse problems and MBC for their power outage now.
Same thing can happen to Flash/OGN too.
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Effort complained about the mouse only after he had already lost the game. Not comparable at all to what happened today.
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Sorry for bringing it up... this is the wrong thread for controversy. Just saying, the gap between top 2 (maybe top 3, depending on outcome of OSL finals) and the rest of the Power Rank is huge enough for power outage to make a return.
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On May 22 2010 21:58 o[twist] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +gj effort, still #1 zergling control
+ Show Spoiler +yeah;) seriously I was dissapointed with this finals, last three games were all like 5min fuckup/allins...
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I think if Luxury had been in KT game 3 and 5 would have had a different outcome.
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Flash is gonna have to beat JD to keep #1 now.
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On May 22 2010 22:17 Holgerius wrote:
Flash is gonna have to beat JD to keep #1 now.
agreed. whoever wins jd flash is #1. Effort didn't display enough skills to claim #1 imo. the games didnt go far enough to know anything except that he lost the only games that went past 10 minutes..
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Still he won fair and square, congratulations!!
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I am curious whether Flash will play in tomorrow's game vs Hite...
And Effort not at #1 is pretty clear.
I really wonder how Flash is going to play against Jaedong. Even in game 2 he sacrificed a huge group of mnm, a mistake JD would have punished severely.
And once again Flash lost all his mindgames against CJ. I guess mindgame ranking is #1 JD, #2 CJ, #3 Flash.
Actually considering CJ has sniped JD a lot of times too...
CJ coaching staff is the best in the world since Kingdom left SKT1 imo.
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Flash played really, really badly in the last half of that series. Game 3 was very careless (and apparently all Effort's doing if you buy into that, although that sounds mostly like hot air). Game 4 wasn't really his fault as once the BOs were thrown there was nothing else he could do, but game 5 was a really poor display, a decent wall would have won that golden mouse.
To call Effort's play uninspiring is an enormous understatement, but he got the job done. I don't think Effort's stock increased too much during that so much as Flash's went waaaay down. That said, I have faith that he picks up the pieces and brings it to Jaedong for a great MSL final.
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On May 22 2010 22:37 Tianx wrote:
Flash played really, really badly in the last half of that series. Game 3 was very careless (and apparently all Effort's doing if you buy into that, although that sounds mostly like hot air). Game 4 wasn't really his fault as once the BOs were thrown there was nothing else he could do, but game 5 was a really poor display, a decent wall would have won that golden mouse.
To call Effort's play uninspiring is an enormous understatement, but he got the job done. I don't think Effort's stock increased too much during that so much as Flash's went waaaay down. That said, I have faith that he picks up the pieces and brings it to Jaedong for a great MSL final.
jaedong will eat his liver with a nice bottle of a chianti
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I think Effort is #3 no matter what happens up through the MSL final. Also, I actually expect Flash to beat Jaedong and remain #1
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United States8841 Posts
woo, years of being a Flash fan have apparently made me immune to crushing disappointment. Weird feeling, that.
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On May 23 2010 00:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
woo, years of being a Flash fan have apparently made me immune to crushing disappointment. Weird feeling, that.
Uhm... being a Flash fan since day 1, I'm still not immune to crushing disappointment. Maybe you can teach me how to do that?
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Look man when you're rooting for Flash with all your soul and he loses to Luxury and Leta then you just kind of give up ACTUALLY caring when it goes down hill.
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On May 23 2010 00:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Look man when you're rooting for Flash with all your soul and he loses to Luxury and Leta then you just kind of give up ACTUALLY caring when it goes down hill.
Luxury and Leta at least became good players. You know how horrible it felt seeing Jaedong lose to Tempest?
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On May 22 2010 22:37 Tianx wrote:
Flash played really, really badly in the last half of that series. Game 3 was very careless (and apparently all Effort's doing if you buy into that, although that sounds mostly like hot air). Game 4 wasn't really his fault as once the BOs were thrown there was nothing else he could do, but game 5 was a really poor display, a decent wall would have won that golden mouse.
To call Effort's play uninspiring is an enormous understatement, but he got the job done. I don't think Effort's stock increased too much during that so much as Flash's went waaaay down. That said, I have faith that he picks up the pieces and brings it to Jaedong for a great MSL final.
Let's give some credit where credit is due however.
-  EffOrt's play in the aborted game 1 was very strong, and with the build he was using, the hydra switch may (or may not, no way to know) have been deadly. He played excellently in the first game once it started again, but  Flash played tighter.
- In game 2, EffOrt got out-multitasked. It's that simple, and it almost never happens (I stand by EffOrt having the best mutli-task in the game.) but it does occasionally, and Flash played that game absolutely brilliantly.
- In game 3, I'm still not convinced whether EffOrt's plan was to go all-in with mutas (I was hoping he would talk about the individual games in the interview, but they didn't ask.) but he clearly planned a highly aggressive bait-and-switch with his zerglings, which was superbly pulled off.
- In game 4, he won the battle of the mind games, and played incredibly patiently to see the game to the finish. That game could very well have been dangerous for him, I'll bet that Shine loses that game.
- In game 5, he played similarly as in game 3, intending to be aggressive with zerglings, and then two hatch. Until he saw that Flash had made a critical error, and then he just kept pumping lings for the win.
Did Flash play badly? Only in the fifth game. Did EffOrt play well? Yes, he absolutely did. In fact, I get the exact opposite read, EffOrt's stock has got to rise tremendously; he's played on, and delivered on the big stage. Flash's stock is about the same; we know that he can be beaten, and we know how good he is.
So in essence, I don't think EffOrt defeated Flash in a manner that should get him the top spot on the PR, but I think EffOrt very clearly has shown that he deserves to be in the discussion of top-tier gamers.
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