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On May 22 2010 00:36 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 00:16 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:On May 21 2010 22:15 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash AK'd Oz before too. Doesn't mean much. yes i never said flash didnt but the guy above me tried to make it look jaedong does nothing in proleague he brought some examples so i gave my own to counter I think you mistunderstood his post. no no i think i got the drift of it No, the drift of it is; should you really base an arguement that determines a player is better than another based on something other than the whole piucture? By explaining as you did you add to the picture, which was something you weren't supposed to do following that logic.
yeah you only need to look at the Flash Fan Club picture.
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On May 22 2010 00:36 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 00:16 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:On May 21 2010 22:15 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash AK'd Oz before too. Doesn't mean much. yes i never said flash didnt but the guy above me tried to make it look jaedong does nothing in proleague he brought some examples so i gave my own to counter I think you mistunderstood his post. no no i think i got the drift of it No, the drift of it is; should you really base an arguement that determines a player is better than another based on something other than the whole piucture? By explaining as you did you add to the picture, which was something you weren't supposed to do following that logic.
but there isn't any way to settle this argument
the last guy just said the last word and i didn't feel like finishing obscure meaning
its quite some pages back lol
btw all my intentions were to repeat the same cyinical "accusations" toward jaedong's pro league success
this is like like arguing which came first the egg or the chicken it all depends on what u define better player
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I agree, there's no way to settle the argument right now 
I just don't think this match will determine who is the best player, even if flash wins.
I've played too much BW to think one match settles it and that one matchup settles it.
But it's good for the hype I guess.
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On May 22 2010 02:05 animus123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 00:36 StylishVODs wrote:On May 22 2010 00:16 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:On May 21 2010 22:15 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash AK'd Oz before too. Doesn't mean much. yes i never said flash didnt but the guy above me tried to make it look jaedong does nothing in proleague he brought some examples so i gave my own to counter I think you mistunderstood his post. no no i think i got the drift of it No, the drift of it is; should you really base an arguement that determines a player is better than another based on something other than the whole piucture? By explaining as you did you add to the picture, which was something you weren't supposed to do following that logic. yeah you only need to look at the Flash Fan Club picture.
Jaedong fans = unbiased
Flash fans = unreasonable and blind!!!
The point is that there's more to proving you're a superior player than simply head to head record. Winning a bo5 wouldn't negate the fact that Flash has been showing vastly superior results to Jaedong in the past two seasons.
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just want to reiterate that its insane to be ragging on flash when he has just passed 70% in every matchup, passed 2300 in every matchup, gotten to nearly 2450 elo, and made both finals for the second time in a row after almost maintaining a 90% winrate in proleague
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Jaedong pwning Flash once again will bring sweet tears to this thread. Jaedong #1 !!!
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pvzvt - There isn't any obscure meaning. I really don't feel like rewrite what I posted, but I could do it, should more people be confused. For now, just rest assured that I'm definitely not trying to undermine all the amazing stuff JD did for his team.
On May 22 2010 02:05 animus123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 00:36 StylishVODs wrote:On May 22 2010 00:16 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:On May 21 2010 22:15 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash AK'd Oz before too. Doesn't mean much. yes i never said flash didnt but the guy above me tried to make it look jaedong does nothing in proleague he brought some examples so i gave my own to counter I think you mistunderstood his post. no no i think i got the drift of it No, the drift of it is; should you really base an arguement that determines a player is better than another based on something other than the whole piucture? By explaining as you did you add to the picture, which was something you weren't supposed to do following that logic. yeah you only need to look at the Flash Fan Club picture.
I stated a list of facts and asked a simple question. You didn't make any new argument, nor you tried to find an answer. You just dodged it and attacked a group of people...that's really not helping to improve the image of stereotypical Jaedong fan.
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On May 22 2010 02:36 o[twist] wrote:
just want to reiterate that its insane to be ragging on flash when he has just passed 70% in every matchup, passed 2300 in every matchup, gotten to nearly 2450 elo, and made both finals for the second time in a row after almost maintaining a 90% winrate in proleague
It is pointless to keep on repeating the same things over and over again, it does not matter that we layeth the truth in front of their eyes when they cannot see. Fanboyism works like a blindfold and it clouds the rational judgement, prevents the infested devotee from thinking clearly.
IMO, if JD wins he'll be taking a giant leap against the position as GOAT, but he sure as hell hasn't been anywhere close to Flash's level for the last 7 months. And it's important to consider that he's quite a lot older than Flash and has been a progamer for more than a year longer. Flash has plenty of time to catch up in terms of titles, considering that he has reached 4 finals out of 4 possible since his reign as bonjwa began and shows no signs of slowing down. They are both brilliant players and I would love to give them a shared position as the definite #1 of all time. <3 the 2 Lee's!
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On May 22 2010 02:57 adelarge wrote:pvzvt - There isn't any obscure meaning. I really don't feel like rewrite what I posted, but I could do it, should more people be confused. For now, just rest assured that I'm definitely not trying to undermine all the amazing stuff JD did for his team. Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 02:05 animus123 wrote:On May 22 2010 00:36 StylishVODs wrote:On May 22 2010 00:16 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:On May 21 2010 22:15 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash AK'd Oz before too. Doesn't mean much. yes i never said flash didnt but the guy above me tried to make it look jaedong does nothing in proleague he brought some examples so i gave my own to counter I think you mistunderstood his post. no no i think i got the drift of it No, the drift of it is; should you really base an arguement that determines a player is better than another based on something other than the whole piucture? By explaining as you did you add to the picture, which was something you weren't supposed to do following that logic. yeah you only need to look at the Flash Fan Club picture. I stated a list of facts and asked a simple question. You didn't make any new argument, nor you tried to find an answer. You just dodged it and attacked a group of people...that's really not helping to improve the image of stereotypical Jaedong fan.
Heh. I merely found it funny that a person who did try and add something to your 'picture' was immediately shouted down by other Flash fans. But whateva brah.
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On May 22 2010 03:26 animus123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 02:57 adelarge wrote:pvzvt - There isn't any obscure meaning. I really don't feel like rewrite what I posted, but I could do it, should more people be confused. For now, just rest assured that I'm definitely not trying to undermine all the amazing stuff JD did for his team. On May 22 2010 02:05 animus123 wrote:On May 22 2010 00:36 StylishVODs wrote:On May 22 2010 00:16 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:On May 21 2010 22:15 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash AK'd Oz before too. Doesn't mean much. yes i never said flash didnt but the guy above me tried to make it look jaedong does nothing in proleague he brought some examples so i gave my own to counter I think you mistunderstood his post. no no i think i got the drift of it No, the drift of it is; should you really base an arguement that determines a player is better than another based on something other than the whole piucture? By explaining as you did you add to the picture, which was something you weren't supposed to do following that logic. yeah you only need to look at the Flash Fan Club picture. I stated a list of facts and asked a simple question. You didn't make any new argument, nor you tried to find an answer. You just dodged it and attacked a group of people...that's really not helping to improve the image of stereotypical Jaedong fan. Heh. I merely found it funny that a person who did try and add something to your 'picture' was immediately shouted down by other Flash fans. But whateva brah.
Next time read all the posts in a quote before replying to it.
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On May 22 2010 03:41 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 03:26 animus123 wrote:On May 22 2010 02:57 adelarge wrote:pvzvt - There isn't any obscure meaning. I really don't feel like rewrite what I posted, but I could do it, should more people be confused. For now, just rest assured that I'm definitely not trying to undermine all the amazing stuff JD did for his team. On May 22 2010 02:05 animus123 wrote:On May 22 2010 00:36 StylishVODs wrote:On May 22 2010 00:16 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:On May 21 2010 22:15 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash AK'd Oz before too. Doesn't mean much. yes i never said flash didnt but the guy above me tried to make it look jaedong does nothing in proleague he brought some examples so i gave my own to counter I think you mistunderstood his post. no no i think i got the drift of it No, the drift of it is; should you really base an arguement that determines a player is better than another based on something other than the whole piucture? By explaining as you did you add to the picture, which was something you weren't supposed to do following that logic. yeah you only need to look at the Flash Fan Club picture. I stated a list of facts and asked a simple question. You didn't make any new argument, nor you tried to find an answer. You just dodged it and attacked a group of people...that's really not helping to improve the image of stereotypical Jaedong fan. Heh. I merely found it funny that a person who did try and add something to your 'picture' was immediately shouted down by other Flash fans. But whateva brah. Next time read all the posts in a quote before replying to it.
I did. Next time try not to assume people can't draw different conclusions from said posts.
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On May 22 2010 04:13 animus123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 03:41 StylishVODs wrote:On May 22 2010 03:26 animus123 wrote:On May 22 2010 02:57 adelarge wrote:pvzvt - There isn't any obscure meaning. I really don't feel like rewrite what I posted, but I could do it, should more people be confused. For now, just rest assured that I'm definitely not trying to undermine all the amazing stuff JD did for his team. On May 22 2010 02:05 animus123 wrote:On May 22 2010 00:36 StylishVODs wrote:On May 22 2010 00:16 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:On May 21 2010 22:15 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash AK'd Oz before too. Doesn't mean much. yes i never said flash didnt but the guy above me tried to make it look jaedong does nothing in proleague he brought some examples so i gave my own to counter I think you mistunderstood his post. no no i think i got the drift of it No, the drift of it is; should you really base an arguement that determines a player is better than another based on something other than the whole piucture? By explaining as you did you add to the picture, which was something you weren't supposed to do following that logic. yeah you only need to look at the Flash Fan Club picture. I stated a list of facts and asked a simple question. You didn't make any new argument, nor you tried to find an answer. You just dodged it and attacked a group of people...that's really not helping to improve the image of stereotypical Jaedong fan. Heh. I merely found it funny that a person who did try and add something to your 'picture' was immediately shouted down by other Flash fans. But whateva brah. Next time read all the posts in a quote before replying to it. I did. Next time try not to assume people can't draw different conclusions from said posts.
Adelarge said that by not looking at the big picture you could say certain events state the skill of a player. He made an example with jaedong instead of flash and pvzvt answered with explaining why you can't just look at a few events because it can be misleading.
They were actually arguing for the same cause.
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On May 22 2010 02:21 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 02:05 animus123 wrote:On May 22 2010 00:36 StylishVODs wrote:On May 22 2010 00:16 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:On May 21 2010 22:15 pvzvt wrote:On May 21 2010 22:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash AK'd Oz before too. Doesn't mean much. yes i never said flash didnt but the guy above me tried to make it look jaedong does nothing in proleague he brought some examples so i gave my own to counter I think you mistunderstood his post. no no i think i got the drift of it No, the drift of it is; should you really base an arguement that determines a player is better than another based on something other than the whole piucture? By explaining as you did you add to the picture, which was something you weren't supposed to do following that logic. yeah you only need to look at the Flash Fan Club picture. Jaedong fans = unbiased Flash fans = unreasonable and blind!!! The point is that there's more to proving you're a superior player than simply head to head record. Winning a bo5 wouldn't negate the fact that Flash has been showing vastly superior results to Jaedong in the past two seasons.
And if JD wins we can say he has been great for A LOT longer than 2 seasons. Those 6 SLs awards sure look nice.
If we're going to talk abotu the past and not look just at who is better now (and bo5 is the best test of this) then Flash can't win that argument either unless you set some arbitrary line in the sand for when we should start counting wins. Both have like the same record in the last few dozen games.
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OK, if you want to make the power rank about who the best player of all time is then throw Jaedong up at #1. Maybe consider putting Nada, Savior, oov above Flash too right?
On the other hand, if you want to look at recent performance Flash has simply done much better than Jaedong in every way whether he wins the series or not.
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On May 22 2010 09:15 Rostam wrote:
OK, if you want to make the power rank about who the best player of all time is then throw Jaedong up at #1. Maybe consider putting Nada, Savior, oov above Flash too right?
On the other hand, if you want to look at recent performance Flash has simply done much better than Jaedong in every way whether he wins the series or not.
Jaedongs record in May is better. Two finals or not every way isn't entirely accurate
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Actually, this month Jaedong is undefeated. If Jaedong beats Flash I could see him being put at #1 for being undefeated and taking a Bo5 off Flash.
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Ok, not every way then. If Flash plays as well as he should against Effort then I think Jaedong would have to win pretty convincingly to be at #1 though regardless.
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On May 22 2010 13:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Actually, this month Jaedong is undefeated. If Jaedong beats Flash I could see him being put at #1 for being undefeated and taking a Bo5 off Flash.
How can Jaedong be undefeated when he lost a game to Calm?
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On May 22 2010 14:03 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 13:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Actually, this month Jaedong is undefeated. If Jaedong beats Flash I could see him being put at #1 for being undefeated and taking a Bo5 off Flash. How can Jaedong be undefeated when he lost a game to Calm?
Oh jesus you're right. I completely brainfarted on that one.
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1 ZvZ in a Bo5 ≈ undefeated
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