EPTPower Rank 01/03/2010 - Page 27
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 22 2010 12:55 Captain Mayhem wrote: I'm a Flash fanboy, but I too think it's a bit early to call him the B-word. As far as I've learned from this place, a Bonjwa is one who completely and utterly dominates everyone without a doubt in noones mind that he'd ever get close to losing the game. The fact that most people still have doubts that he'll win the MSL as well, kindof makes Flash fail that requirement. For now... :D This is what hinders most people from seeing the clear picture imo. Bonjwas of the past was not as dominant as flash is. Flash has broken almost all the their records, their streaks, their ELO scores the youngest winner etc. They were the best, they were always the favourite in a bo5 unless it was their weakest matchup. So is flash, but he has no weak matchup. The only arguement that hold is that he needs to dominate over a longer period of time, but you cannot compare it like that anymore since a certain ammount of time today equals a whole lot of more games than in the old days. In my oppinion both flash and jaedong are modern bonjwas that were just unfortunate to have an equally strong opponent at the same time. People will always remember them as the best, bonjwa or not¨. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter to me if they're called bonjwas or not. Best player in the world is enough. | ||
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
On January 22 2010 21:35 StylishVODs wrote: This is what hinders most people from seeing the clear picture imo. Bonjwas of the past was not as dominant as flash is. Flash has broken almost all the their records, their streaks, their ELO scores the youngest winner etc. They were the best, they were always the favourite in a bo5 unless it was their weakest matchup. So is flash, but he has no weak matchup. The only arguement that hold is that he needs to dominate over a longer period of time, but you cannot compare it like that anymore since a certain ammount of time today equals a whole lot of more games than in the old days. In my oppinion both flash and jaedong are modern bonjwas that were just unfortunate to have an equally strong opponent at the same time. People will always remember them as the best, bonjwa or not¨. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter to me if they're called bonjwas or not. Best player in the world is enough. The key word in my post was "everyone". What I meant was that the Bonjwas of old weren't matched in skill until their reign ended, unlike now where Flash and JD are really, really close in skill level. It's not about percentage, amounts of gold medals or records or any solid goals like that. It's ultimately the community that decides who is Bonjwa and who is not, and I doubt that many of the people who have followed the Starcraft pro scene from the very beginning would allow ANY new players to be dubbed Bonjwa, simply because of nostalgia. So, with the risk of sounding corny, we'll just "know it" when there's a new Bonjwa in the house. I think Flash is damn close, but not quite there yet. But yeah, I agree. In the end, it's just a bling title that doesn't affect their ability of roflpwning the rest  | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 22 2010 21:12 Elroi wrote: And why are we discussing FBH here.. most overrated player in the history of SC imo, especially after those pitiful BO wins vs Much and Bisu in clubday. Bisus utter humiliation of him afterwards should have made that clear (manor scouts ftw). If he didn't act like a clown no one would talk about him now. Bullshit. Granted, his TvP has always sucked, but he really used to have S-class TvZ and top notch TvT, and he has always had a very entertaining and spectacular style in-game, so he would've been distinguished from the average progamer even if he had not pulled of all those ceremonial antics. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On January 22 2010 21:12 Elroi wrote: Flash is not - and will not become a bonjwa this season, just look at his player profile: not enough golds. Bonjwas did own the game for a much longer time (like JD and Bisu did...) not 3 months. And why are we discussing FBH here.. most overrated player in the history of SC imo, especially after those pitiful BO wins vs Much and Bisu in clubday. Bisus utter humiliation of him afterwards should have made that clear (manor scouts ftw). If he didn't act like a clown no one would talk about him now. Your CJ icon is eloquent. Did you just choose to forget that FBH used to be amazing in 2 matchups, or were you not around at the time? Cause he's definitely NOT the most overrated player, he was a legitimate threat to any T and any Z, proleague or individual league, Bo1 or Bo5. And yeah Flash needs more golds. Keep 'em coming!  | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
On January 22 2010 23:33 Holgerius wrote: Bullshit. Granted, his TvP has always sucked, but he really used to have S-class TvZ and top notch TvT, and he has always had a very entertaining and spectacular style in-game, so he would've been distinguished from the average progamer even if he had not pulled of all those ceremonial antics. Ofc he is not an average player (now he is alot worse than the average and before he was above average). But you could argue that players like Kwanro and Luxury have had more success as gamers. Both of them has taken individual league medals and both of them has alot higher ELO peaks. But would you remember anyone of them a year after they played their last half descent game? No, I don't think so. Just look at the comments noobs leave on his games on youtube even today. Guys that have no idea who Kwanro or Luxury are writes stuff like "man I can't wait till FBH comes back and starts winning starleagues again!". Alot of people still think that this guy is winning 80% of his games - that is to overrate someone. But yeah, I'm biased... | ||
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Ideas
United States8169 Posts
[QUOTE]On January 22 2010 23:33 Holgerius wrote: [QUOTE]On January 22 2010 21:12 Elroi wrote: And why are we discussing FBH here.. most overrated player in the history of SC imo, especially after those pitiful BO wins vs Much and Bisu in clubday. Bisus utter humiliation of him afterwards should have made that clear (manor scouts ftw). If he didn't act like a clown no one would talk about him now.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. Granted, his TvP has always sucked, but he really used to have S-class TvZ and top notch TvT, and he has always had a very entertaining and spectacular style in-game, so he would've been distinguished from the average progamer even if he had not pulled of all those ceremonial antics. [/QUOTE] Ofc he is not an average player (now he is alot worse than the average and before he was above average). But you could argue that players like Kwanro and Luxury have had more success as gamers. Both of them has taken individual league medals and both of them has alot higher ELO peaks. But would you remember anyone of them a year after they played their last half descent game? No, I don't think so. Just look at the comments noobs leave on his games on youtube even today. Guys that have no idea who Kwanro or Luxury are writes stuff like "man I can't wait till FBH comes back and starts winning starleagues again!". Alot of people still think that this guy is winning 80% of his games - that is to overrate someone. But yeah, I'm biased... [/QUOTE ] Man you got a really dark picture of fbh fans in your mind LOL | ||
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WWJDD
India342 Posts
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
On January 23 2010 08:12 WWJDD wrote: Flash will lose tomorrow. indeed!!! prepare the rage and unleash it !!!!! cause lee jaedong will triumph!!! go jaedong! | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
won't be any rage from my part;) | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
On January 22 2010 23:06 Captain Mayhem wrote: The key word in my post was "everyone". What I meant was that the Bonjwas of old weren't matched in skill until their reign ended, unlike now where Flash and JD are really, really close in skill level. It's not about percentage, amounts of gold medals or records or any solid goals like that. It's ultimately the community that decides who is Bonjwa and who is not, and I doubt that many of the people who have followed the Starcraft pro scene from the very beginning would allow ANY new players to be dubbed Bonjwa, simply because of nostalgia. So, with the risk of sounding corny, we'll just "know it" when there's a new Bonjwa in the house. I think Flash is damn close, but not quite there yet. But yeah, I agree. In the end, it's just a bling title that doesn't affect their ability of roflpwning the rest I don't think Flash and JD are that close, or at least, they haven't the last few months. The MSL is getting crazy hyped because they're #1 and #2 and they've historically been close, but not as of late. Flash has 70 ELO points on JD, and at one point, had over 100 points. That is a really big gap. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
On January 23 2010 13:11 TwoToneTerran wrote: I love Flash about asmuch as anyone here possibly can but you'd be an absolute dolt to count Jaedong out. Ever. Even a little bit. I never count anybody out. There's always a chance at an upset, but I'm just contesting the idea the Flash and Jaedong are so close right now. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
Flash: 1 OSL gold Jaedong: 1 clown gold + Show Spoiler + To be honest, Jaedong won solidly. It was close though; closer than the numbers would indicate, and Jaedong had the practice time advantage. I'm not sure what this all implies for the Power Rank. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
Yup, Flash stays at #1 unless JD does something mindbogglingly spectacular in WL, this was not enough of a showing from him to attain #1 yet, even though he did play great. Also, this sucks so much, I'm not even able to feel good about Jaedong winning... | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
But Jaedong is so close to #1 Flash should be afraid. Anyone who has watched the finals (I mean before the blackout) has seen that Jaedong plays AT LEAST on par with Flash if not better. And this is why Flash will never be bonjwa. | ||
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