On December 14 2009 11:56 Orbifold wrote: GOAT is not determined by medal count... the GOAT is the person who has attained the very highest peak ability in star craft ever. Jaedong would smoke Nada in his prime... it wouldn't even be close.
GOAT is normally a comparison of how far above the average pro any contender for that title is. Of course the most recent dominant player would be better than older dominant players, if they couldn't the older player would still be dominant. Your logic states who ever is playing best right now is the GOAT, even though that title should mean that there is a comparison between different time frames.
Greatest of All Time. "the most recent dominant player would be better than older dominant players, if they couldn't the older player would still be dominant." No, we're comparing peaks, or a stretch of domination, ofc. Age does tend to deteriorate gameplay. I'm not arguing for Jaedong as GOAT, but saying that it's about comparative skill to other gamers is ridiculous.
GOAT arguments are silly. There's always people who believe the GOAT should be based on peak skill, and there are those who say it's based on results. To me, NaDa is the GOAT, just because he could come back and win tournaments when no other oldschool player could.
Bisu has been sooooo inconsistent this month, he's gotten knocked out of both the MSL and the OSL before the round of 16, yet he is playing great in proleague; it doesn't make any sense, its almost as if he doesn't care about the starleagues.
Anyone else notice how not too long ago the question everyone was asking was is it JD or Bisu that is the GOAT/bonjwa? And a while before that a similar question was posed, "Is it JD or Flash?" and now... again that same question is being asked. I have a feeling that whoever is the "best" at the moment, he will most likely be compared with JD to see who's the best. That said, I think flash will beat JD, and that Bisu will be back sooner or later.
On December 15 2009 08:39 Warrior Madness wrote: Anyone else notice how not too long ago the question everyone was asking was is it JD or Bisu that is the GOAT/bonjwa? And a while before that a similar question was posed, "Is it JD or Flash?" and now... again that same question is being asked. I have a feeling that whoever is the "best" at the moment, he will most likely be compared with JD to see who's the best. That said, I think flash will beat JD, and that Bisu will be back sooner or later.
The common factor here is Jaedong, btw. It's almost always "Who's Jaedong's closest competition?" Jaedong is the bar that no one else has really passed, yet, and while the skill differential isn't as massive between Jaedong and his peers as it is between the past Bonjwas and their peers, Jaedong's taken that small differential and dominated the scene as hard or harder than the bonjwas.
If someone doesn't thoroughly and uncompromisingly dethrone him as truly his better/rival (Since Flash and Bisu and Stork only beat him in sparse displays and end up failing the overall scene that Jaedong dominates) then he'll probably go down as the last greatest player once BW fades off/gets replaced.
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