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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On July 14 2009 07:24 Last Romantic wrote: Nice writeup! Canata's story is so great. 5 years of mediocrity to moderate success in both leagues. Another 15 more years and he might win something. I'm a little bitter right now. Nice write-up JWD. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On July 14 2009 07:48 JWD wrote: Hm good catch...fixing now. Sorry for the error. I still think this game was decided by Flash's reluctance to spend on defense...he only put up 3 turrets! I think that rather than a reluctance to spend on defense, he just didn't have enough money to make turrets in time. He went for a relatively fast expo, then a factory and a starport and an armory and went valk/goliath. Since yarnc came so quickly with muta/scourge, flash just didnt have time to put up enough turrets. remember, because he expoed so quickly, he has to be able to defend both his expo as well as his natural and this is not easy until the money from the expo begins to flow in and he has 2 valks+ turrets and gols. | ||
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nozaro33
Taiwan1819 Posts
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
Great write-up! | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
happy to see all 4 sparkyz make it though! what is the most players a team has ever gotten into the ro8? edit: typo | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
IntotheWow of Buenos Aires/Veteran of Teamliquid/Lover of Knowledge/Defender of Truth/Slave of zulu_nation8 | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On July 14 2009 06:58 Simple wrote: no protoss? what a relief! yes, becaue zvz and tvt are so exciting + Show Spoiler + not | ||
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oob
Sweden630 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13922 Posts
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
This could not be more true. TvZ I think is one of the best match ups, kind of a 'man vs beast' feeling.. or Starship troopers, however you want to think about it. There are so many builds you can go in TvZ on both ends that it keeps it very exciting, especially with lurkers being able to do redic damage to marines and bio drops able to destroy tech so quickly, the list goes on. TvT is a boring snoozefest at times. Dont get me wrong, some of the large scale epic macro games are just that, epic. But in general they can turn into slow paced games that arent really all that exciting. Though I know there are people like Artosis who completely disagree and love TvT. ZvZ to me is so tacky that it is the easiest matchup for a far less skilled player to beat a more skilled player. This is always a risk in Starcraft but I think ZvZ outlines this best. One tiny mistake is more unforgiving in this matchup than any other by far and its ALWAYS the same 2 units. The lack of protoss takes out two of the more interesting matchups IMO so its a shame that none made it. I think its a slight testament to the newer maps though. Bring up the 5ish newest maps and look at the Protoss ratios, on average they arent very good (I wouldnt say they're getting slaughtered though). Just my .02 | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 14 2009 08:49 Promises wrote: So who can pick up the Protoss Banner? I'm not quite sure Violet has got it in him to be a real top player, and none of the other tosses have either been consistent or very promising lately =/ Apart from that, I cant really recall any protoss ever doing consistently well against Z's while not being horrible in the other 2 mu's. I might have to wait for SC2 for the re-emergence against Protoss ^^ Violet. No other new toss is good in all 3 matchups. Kal maybe, he's the last non-slumping dragon. Besides Bisu, but I think Bisu's proven himself superior to other 5 finally. Also, I predict Zero vs Fantasy for the final. (If brackets permit). | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 14 2009 12:25 HuskyTheHusky wrote: This could not be more true. TvZ I think is one of the best match ups, kind of a 'man vs beast' feeling.. or Starship troopers, however you want to think about it. There are so many builds you can go in TvZ on both ends that it keeps it very exciting, especially with lurkers being able to do redic damage to marines and bio drops able to destroy tech so quickly, the list goes on. TvT is a boring snoozefest at times. Dont get me wrong, some of the large scale epic macro games are just that, epic. But in general they can turn into slow paced games that arent really all that exciting. Though I know there are people like Artosis who completely disagree and love TvT. ZvZ to me is so tacky that it is the easiest matchup for a far less skilled player to beat a more skilled player. This is always a risk in Starcraft but I think ZvZ outlines this best. One tiny mistake is more unforgiving in this matchup than any other by far and its ALWAYS the same 2 units. The lack of protoss takes out two of the more interesting matchups IMO so its a shame that none made it. I think its a slight testament to the newer maps though. Bring up the 5ish newest maps and look at the Protoss ratios, on average they arent very good (I wouldnt say they're getting slaughtered though). Just my .02 PvP is the easiest matchup for a less skilled player to win, all the zvz builds are soft counters rather than the hard ones of PvP that involve dark templars or unscoutable goon all-ins. (The only exception to this is 9 pool speed vs 12 hatch on close positions). | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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EEEE1234
Canada55 Posts
Group A: Jaedong, Effort Group B: Fantasy, Stork Group C: Bisu Hwasin Group D: Leta Canata Flash got dropped for Yellow-Arnc. Fine. Fake Yellow isn't THAT bad. Stork got dropped for...typeB?! I thought for sure that guy was a fluke. I hope he shows us good games in the Ro8 or else I'll be real ticked. Hwasin lost, but I'm not a Hwasin fan and I should have known better because he's not that great anymore. Bisu, on the other hand, was a bit overconfident and I'm losing faith in him. I was hoping he would make it at least to the Ro4. I have to give it to Go.go for the 4rax push though. Oh, and one more thing: I really don't like ZvZ and I'm not too excited about ZvT either. There's a reason I will only play toss against Z. The lack of PvP too, that's a bit disappointing but not the worst of it. Hope the next round won't make me so sad. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
1) Fantasy's TvP is out of this world. 2) The above won't help him with a Ro8 devoid of Protoss players :p | ||
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miseiler
United States1389 Posts
I don't know if I'll even be able to watch  | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On July 14 2009 06:58 Simple wrote: no protoss? what a relief! As much as I love TvZ, I'm not looking forward to several TvT's and ZvZs. One or two toss would make it more interesting. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On July 14 2009 12:37 Nevuk wrote: PvP is the easiest matchup for a less skilled player to win, all the zvz builds are soft counters rather than the hard ones of PvP that involve dark templars or unscoutable goon all-ins. (The only exception to this is 9 pool speed vs 12 hatch on close positions). Have you seen Bisu vs. Jangbi on Avalon MSL, and Bisu vs. Jangbi GOM S2 on Colosseum? PvP isn't really about hard counters... Plus PvP is hard because you can't really scout between goon tech and obs tech. And there are a LOT of options that the Protoss can do after the first dragoon comes out that isn't necessarily going towards fast observers. | ||
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