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On September 09 2008 03:37 HaSDe wrote:
I've got to say I am using teamliquid.net very frequently as well! I do not see the sense in answering to all threads and if there is a good question I am sure there is somebody out there who is more competent to answer! But I am a big fan of OSL / MSL and I am watching basically all the vods available so why should somebody like me have a worse chance to get picked?
The general view will be along the lines of this.
You two posters who join at the same time, say a year ago.
One person spends 99% of his time lurking, and comes out to post once every few months.
The other posts a few times everyday, creates threads, etc... overall becomes a contributing member of the community.
Then a contest is initiated saying only people who joined on X date are eligible and these two are the only ones allowed. General view would be the guy who posts and contributes is who should win, and not the one who appears once in a blue moon to say something.
Do i agree with it, to a point, i would much prefer active posters who go out of their way to do things for the site to win, over someone who just lurks. I've contributed to this site, and sure want a shirt, but i know of users who deserve one way way more than I do, and yet the contest isnt to those deserving so much as it is those who get lucky. Hense a lottery.
If alot of forum reg's dont win one, and alot of lurkers who never post win them, and once won will either a)vanish after sayign thankyou b)vanish completely, c)become more active or d) be fucktards.
Regardless people although will say things like "congradulations" or the like, people will still resent it. Just accept the fact that people don't want to see lurkers win, they want to see names of users who they know, or recognize win.
As for the sense of posting on TL, you can meet people here, who generally are pretty decent people, you get to contribute to an online entity that you deeply enjoy, learn things outside the scopes of just the game, etc...
This site means alot to many people, try browsing through more than the starcraft news and you might find things you want to post in or the like, but dont dismiss posting because "someone is more qualified" There usually is, but it doesn't mean your voice doesnt carry any weight.
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On September 09 2008 03:16 dranjam wrote:
News are written here for people who want to read them, and I am happen to be one of those beautiful and valued users that do exactly this. Number of posts written does not implicate penis lenght, inteligence or affiliation with the community, no matter how hard you try.
On September 09 2008 03:37 HaSDe wrote:
I've got to say I am using teamliquid.net very frequently as well! I do not see the sense in answering to all threads and if there is a good question I am sure there is somebody out there who is more competent to answer! But I am a big fan of OSL / MSL and I am watching basically all the vods available so why should somebody like me have a worse chance to get picked?
There's nothing wrong with reading the news or browsing TL for information and VODs. Doing this however doesn't entitle you to anything, even though both your posts seem to imply it does entitle you to a lottery ticket.
I don't see why you feel everyone who simply reads news here should default to having a chance at a shirt. We reserved shirts for staff for reasons like contribution and participation, and you obviously don't feel like you deserve an equal chance as they do at having one.
Participation and interaction with the community is something that has value, its something that generates at least some sort of worth to other users in the forum. Yes, some people just spam or whatever, but that still counts, and the Moderators weed out the truly bad ones.
We set a bottom line, and the cutoff is pretty low (anyone who registered before one month ago). Even though we wanted this lottery to be pretty egalitarian (no postcount bias), we still feel that we should encourage user registration and participation here, since we did make the connections and actually get the shirts. That's not too much to ask is it? Many websites require registration to even view the content they have.
Look on the brightside, in the future at least you'll have an account that is registered. But don't let it sit there at < X posts, because future contests and events might have a minimum postcount requirement. Who knows??
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As for news on the lottery itself, please stand by as we're figuring out how to get payment processed, and we'll announce the winners when we have that information.
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well, i hate to say it, but there is a difference in the subsets within the community. for instance, tl.net consists of people who enjoy the game, in playing or watching it. but that community wouldnt exist if there were only one population - what if everyone here simply came here often and posted nothing? there would be little content, little contributions, little health, and the community would deteriorate. there needs to be active members, people who breathe life into the scene. writing articles, uploading videos, discussing games, these are all little things, but they all add up to the teamliquid experience.
in a nutshell, this is a thanks to those who have been here for the long run and help make tl.net the place it is
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I have to agree to a degree. Of course my input isn't as big as other people who are bigger SC fans then myself and are actively participating in the community, but I am still a part of it. The news are written to be read, and that's what I do. The writer if asked would probably be quite satisfied knowing that I come here every now and then and read the post he wrote, and appreciate it enough to come back again. Because me, and many others like me, make this website visited and successful, and his effort worthwhile.
And Hot_Bid, if your aim to have a number of users generating an amount of random posts to have a chance at lotteries, you need bots, not humans.
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On September 10 2008 08:39 dranjam wrote:
I have to agree to a degree. Of course my input isn't as big as other people who are bigger SC fans then myself and are actively participating in the community, but I am still a part of it. The news are written to be read, and that's what I do. The writer if asked would probably be quite satisfied knowing that I come here every now and then and read the post he wrote, and appreciate it enough to come back again. Because me, and many others like me, make this website visited and successful, and his effort worthwhile.
And Hot_Bid, if your aim to have a number of users generating an amount of random posts to have a chance at lotteries, you need bots, not humans.
You are a member of this community, there's no doubting that. However, in order to truly contribute you must post and be active. Nobody is judging you for not doing that. It's not a requirement, we don't make you do this to read the news or get the VODs or watch our programs. You come here to read news, you get to read news. Nobody is taking that away from you. That's fine.
Yes we value people that read news and are interested in progaming. But we are not a pay site--we're all volunteers. Our news is generated FROM the community. Thus, simply reading our news is not "making" or "building" or "contributing" as you seem to imply. Actually doing something is. If everyone just came to read news and did what you did, we'd have no site, and no news for you to read. Thus we want to encourage registration and posting. This isn't something crazy, every forum wants more users and more posts. What's so wrong or unfair with that?
It took us quite a bit of effort to build the reputation and connections required to get these shirts, and we're selling them at 0 profit to as many of our community members as possible. Its amazing that some people would complain that they don't get a fair chance at them when they haven't taken 5 minutes to register and post on our forums.
For the reasons stated above, and for multiple-entry fairness concerns, we wanted the shirts to go to people who have registered. Maybe in the future we'll only want stuff to go to people who have 500+ posts, or people who have contributed. Whatever the cutoff is, I feel our reasons are perfectly justified and fair. We didn't sign some contract stating that you are entitled to a shirt by simply visiting our website and reading our content.
In addition, I think this lottery is quite successful in accomplishing our goals. It got you to register, didn't it?
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