Korean News - New Proleague maps revealed

On March 25 2008 01:14 GrandInquisitor wrote:
hunters HAS to be a joke

On March 25 2008 01:42 arbiter_md wrote:
And no Troy for this season?

On March 25 2008 02:06 Last Romantic wrote:
Unlike most, I favor keeping Katrina - sure, PvX was imbalanced previously, but with Flash's innovations + revamping of the map, I see the map as holding some potential.

On March 25 2008 03:43 Zzoram wrote:
I want maps with more limited and hard to defend resources to encourage early aggressive micro.

On March 25 2008 06:01 fanatacist wrote:
Hunters = people running out of ideas.

On March 25 2008 01:30 Atrioc wrote:
DOES EVERY SINGLE MAP NEED TO HAVE NATURAL EXPANSIONS THAT CAN BE CLIFFED?

IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE PREPARING FOR THE DROPSHIP MASTER BOXER TO RETURN FROM THE ARMY?

IS HANNIBAL NOT SIMPLY THE COOLEST FUCKING 2v2 MAP YOU HAVE EVER SEEN IN BOTH DESIGN AND IDEA?

These are probably my 3 main questions. I'm sure they are all answered, specifically, in the release interviews, just translate the korean.

On March 25 2008 08:03 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
There are so many imbalances on Hunters, it's almost impossible to name them all. Sure, on lesser skill levels it can be a fun map because you have so many macro, micro and timing weaknesses that map imbalances aren't going to make a big difference often, but if you're that good the map WILL ruin your game.
Imagine a Z+T team getting 6 + 7 position. That's almost auto win already. 11+12 is also good.
T walls in at choke, Z does FE -> muta, T goes tank/gol + drop. Some naturals can be sieged easily. In that situation, this team controls the 9 expansion and the 5 expansion automatically. If any one of the opposing team starts there, he's at a disadvantage right from the start, has to expand somewhere far away instead, plus his units are getting shot at when they walk out of the base, which is REALLY bad.
Some mains can also be cliff dropped, others can't.
There's also a lot of pathing issues, e.g. workers getting in the way of your units and things like that.
And that's just some of the problems.

It's just ridiculous and a pure fun map, nothing else. If you use this map in a serious competition you're automatically implying that this league is a joke (at least the 2v2 matches).
It will be a test of luck instead of skill.
Really, I hope this is some sort of April fool's joke.

On March 25 2008 08:03 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
There are so many imbalances on Hunters, it's almost impossible to name them all. Sure, on lesser skill levels it can be a fun map because you have so many macro, micro and timing weaknesses that map imbalances aren't going to make a big difference often, but if you're that good the map WILL ruin your game.
Imagine a Z+T team getting 6 + 7 position. That's almost auto win already. 11+12 is also good.
T walls in at choke, Z does FE -> muta, T goes tank/gol + drop. Some naturals can be sieged easily. In that situation, this team controls the 9 expansion and the 5 expansion automatically. If any one of the opposing team starts there, he's at a disadvantage right from the start, has to expand somewhere far away instead, plus his units are getting shot at when they walk out of the base, which is REALLY bad.
Some mains can also be cliff dropped, others can't.
There's also a lot of pathing issues, e.g. workers getting in the way of your units and things like that.
And that's just some of the problems.

It's just ridiculous and a pure fun map, nothing else. If you use this map in a serious competition you're automatically implying that this league is a joke (at least the 2v2 matches).
It will be a test of luck instead of skill.
Really, I hope this is some sort of April fool's joke.

On March 25 2008 09:00 beefhamburger wrote:
You say 6+7 with T is auto win? What keeps the 2 opposing player from raping that spread out wall (because the choke is quite huge there) while the zerg FEs? For example, for a PZ team, once they have scouted your wall, the P would probably opt for fast goons (or even just mass zealots for tank splash) if he hasn't done so already. The zerg could just mass ling and both would EASILY break down the wall, no matter how many scvs you have there. The distance between main and choke is very large and the time for him to transfer scvs in time would make his wall crumble. Even if he just leaves his SCVs at his choke, that is still a big hit to his eco. All the while, the Z on the PZ team could easily expand (or FE) as well with no threat from a closed off T and eco Z. If the Z lives long enough for his mutas, the other team would most likely have cannoned up by then or the Z may have matched him or had spores of his own.
If the 2 people at 6+7 decide to turtle up at their choke, nothing stops you from taking the other 8 expansion outside of their influence.They can only tank at most 2 expansions (not counting the middle) from their bases.

There are too many factors to judge how it will play out. It may be imbalanced a little, but it is no where near auto win for any race combo at any starting positions.

Tank drops are almost always shut down when they are expected in hunters. It only takes a little to prevent and usually, if there is a Z, there will most likely be mutas or scourge to protect the cliffs.

On March 25 2008 08:03 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
There are so many imbalances on Hunters, it's almost impossible to name them all. Sure, on lesser skill levels it can be a fun map because you have so many macro, micro and timing weaknesses that map imbalances aren't going to make a big difference often, but if you're that good the map WILL ruin your game.
Imagine a Z+T team getting 6 + 7 position. That's almost auto win already. 11+12 is also good.
T walls in at choke, Z does FE -> muta, T goes tank/gol + drop. Some naturals can be sieged easily. In that situation, this team controls the 9 expansion and the 5 expansion automatically. If any one of the opposing team starts there, he's at a disadvantage right from the start, has to expand somewhere far away instead, plus his units are getting shot at when they walk out of the base, which is REALLY bad.
Some mains can also be cliff dropped, others can't.
There's also a lot of pathing issues, e.g. workers getting in the way of your units and things like that.
And that's just some of the problems.

It's just ridiculous and a pure fun map, nothing else. If you use this map in a serious competition you're automatically implying that this league is a joke (at least the 2v2 matches).
It will be a test of luck instead of skill.
Really, I hope this is some sort of April fool's joke.

On March 25 2008 09:02 2Pacalypse- wrote:
The ignorance about Hunters in this thread really hurts my brain o.O

On March 25 2008 09:55 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
I'm not "very skilled", but no noob either and I know the map... in 3v3 you wouldn't get so far, yes, but in a 2v2 with two teams starting where I mentioned and getting up a wall-in it is definitely possible to do this. And even if tank/gol wouldn't turn out to be great, you could also do tank/vult, tank/M&M or whatever... doesn't really matter, the imbalances are still there, as long as you get a few tanks.
The other pro maps are all on the whole usually very balanced at first glance, but still may turn out to be imbalanced in certain matchups. Adding a map such as the original Hunters which already comes with a ton of potential problems can only end in disaster.

On March 25 2008 09:02 2Pacalypse- wrote:
The ignorance about Hunters in this thread really hurts my brain o.O

On March 25 2008 12:02 RaGe wrote:
Oh and i absolutely adore the fact that you marked it with teamliquid.net so GG.net cant steal it without sourcing

you'll notice the cliffs on this version of hunters are undroppable, they put minerals up there

On March 25 2008 06:58 Lhyviathan wrote:
Why must all the 1v1 maps be 4 player? :S

On March 25 2008 09:55 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
I'm not "very skilled", but no noob either and I know the map... in 3v3 you wouldn't get so far, yes, but in a 2v2 with two teams starting where I mentioned and getting up a wall-in it is definitely possible to do this. And even if tank/gol wouldn't turn out to be great, you could also do tank/vult, tank/M&M or whatever... doesn't really matter, the imbalances are still there, as long as you get a few tanks.
The other pro maps are all on the whole usually very balanced at first glance, but still may turn out to be imbalanced in certain matchups. Adding a map such as the original Hunters which already comes with a ton of potential problems can only end in disaster.

On March 26 2008 01:02 Metaspace wrote:


That is for BGH, not Hunters.

On March 26 2008 04:04 beefhamburger wrote:


Most hunters maps and variations have exactly the same cliff setup at all the corner bases. Therefore, the pictures are viable, and still seem to be viable from the current picture the Proleague is planning to use.

On March 26 2008 04:04 beefhamburger wrote:


Most hunters maps and variations have exactly the same cliff setup at all the corner bases. Therefore, the pictures are viable, and still seem to be viable from the current picture the Proleague is planning to use.

On March 25 2008 07:47 zatic wrote:
Hunters 5,6,7 are not really "save", they can siege each other.

Oh, and of course: Hunters wtf?!?

On March 27 2008 04:16 LeGeNdZs[FcG] wrote:
so when can we download these puppies!

On March 25 2008 17:10 Naib wrote:
BGH for next season please. Or Fa$$$te$$$$t Po$$$$$$$łiBlEh uLTrA blau eDiTiON 1337.

On April 01 2008 01:29 meathook wrote:
Also, Wuthering Heights? Wtf? Failed spelling test?

On April 01 2008 01:29 meathook wrote:
I remember when they showed Baekmagoji for the first time, people looked at the two gases in the main and the row of minerals and said: "Wtf, what's next, BHG?"

Now, we are not far off . . .