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South Africa4316 Posts
I've been saying for a while that pro-gamers need unions. Even though I despise unions, pro-gamers are some of the people that really need a union.
What I don't get is the non-fulltime contract that Casy signed. Surely if it is non-fulltime contract he should be able to cancel it (eg. He should be able to quit the team). If he's not able to do that then the contract must have been very dodgy.
It seems to me like the coach tricked Casy into signing a contract that will pay him less money (a normal salary), and then screwed him. This way the manager doesn't have to pay that much, and it's not costing the team much to keep him from playing. This was clearly deliberate on the side of the manager/coach.
So yeah, even though we don't know what Casy did, the coach has no right to destroy his livelihood like this. If the player is a menace to the team, transfer him to some team that can handle him. This is clearly personal, as the coach is even willing to lose money just to stop Casy from playing.
The only options that Casy has is to: #1 Join the AirForce, something that seems to be allowed in their contracts. #2, Wait for the contract to expire and join a new team, something that will probably take a year, maybe two. He can take those two years to study, since he'll be payed in anycase. The coach can't fire him, so he can basically do what he wants to do. #3, Contact the sponsors. If Casy contacts the OGN bigwigs (or the MBC channel, I'm sure they wouldn't mind getting some dirt on Casy) he could generate a LOT of bad publicity for OGN Sparkyz, and as such for OGN. The sponsors will also not be happy knowing that their money is being spent on keeping a player from playing, instead of helping a player to play. The sponsors can surely pressure the manager into letting Casy go.
Either way, pro-gamers need someone to defend their rights. Pro-gamers are usually young when they join a team, and as such can't really understand the contractual terms. Furthermore, players are only to glad to become "pro-gamers", and they'd sign almost any contract to do this.
I feel really bad for Casy, even though I dislike him. No young person should have their futures fucked with so completely.
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
wait, what? you despise unions?
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South Africa4316 Posts
You don't live in South Africa where unions abuse their power to organize strikes every second day 
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51674 Posts
I remember a while ago (during KPGA times) there was a strike and players wouldn't play.
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Never liked Casy. This incident actually shows how Casy really is.
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is that lee, the same bat wielding lee ?
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I dont understand why he has to quit progaming if he cant go to airforce.
What I mean is, if he is without a team for half a year or so, wouldnt some of the other teams pick him up immediatelly?
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On September 04 2007 11:53 sushiman wrote:
Hopefully ACE will take him, they could use some decent players.
Yea, cuz esentially that's all Casy is, decent. Sure he won an OSL but I don't see him doing it again.
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On September 04 2007 12:25 Adaptation wrote:
If he goes in the air force, its almost certain they will take him. But its not sure that the air force will take him.
lol, come again?
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On September 04 2007 12:45 infinity21 wrote:
Guys. Please stop bashing on the coach. In my opinion, FiFo posted the interview in an extremely biased and emotional way. Remember, an interview is a story from just one side. In Casy's view, he was treated extremely unfairly and unjustly by OGN. In reality, I don't think the coach was being a complete dick like the interview portrayed him. Perhaps the coach was at fault. But to assume that Casy is without fault is downright stupid. We can (and should, imo) form our opinions after we hear the statements from both sides: Casy and the OGN coaching staff.
Summary: To read an one-sided interview and make quick judgements about others is wrong.
Thank god someone else is realizing this. I think Casy might have been clubbing alot or whatever, being all famous after his OSL win and this perhaps caused the beef between him and the coach.
People always read whatever news completely obvlivious to the fact that news are easily biased.
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On September 04 2007 15:38 alffla wrote:
PROGAMERS UNION NEEDS TO BE CREATED Lol
It's funny how you say that but laugh, like a true chinese citizen.
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On September 04 2007 18:55 JensOfSweden wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2007 12:25 Adaptation wrote:
If he goes in the air force, its almost certain they will take him. But its not sure that the air force will take him. lol, come again?
If he goes in the air force, its almost certain they [ACE] will take him. But its not sure that the air force will take him.
Understand now, sir?
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51674 Posts
What's even worse is Casy has 3-4 years left in him before he is forced to go to the army.
Lots of time to eventually find another team.
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someone mentioned there was an interview on Lee? any links?
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On September 04 2007 20:01 b_unnies wrote:
someone mentioned there was an interview on Lee? any links?
Front page
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
i can see it already
ToT)Casy( gogogogo
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On September 04 2007 18:58 JensOfSweden wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2007 12:45 infinity21 wrote:
Guys. Please stop bashing on the coach. In my opinion, FiFo posted the interview in an extremely biased and emotional way. Remember, an interview is a story from just one side. In Casy's view, he was treated extremely unfairly and unjustly by OGN. In reality, I don't think the coach was being a complete dick like the interview portrayed him. Perhaps the coach was at fault. But to assume that Casy is without fault is downright stupid. We can (and should, imo) form our opinions after we hear the statements from both sides: Casy and the OGN coaching staff.
Summary: To read an one-sided interview and make quick judgements about others is wrong. Thank god someone else is realizing this. I think Casy might have been clubbing alot or whatever, being all famous after his OSL win and this perhaps caused the beef between him and the coach. People always read whatever news completely obvlivious to the fact that news are easily biased.
you think its ok to blackball someone from an industry because they were clubbing? Release him from his contract and let him go somewhere else if thats the case. The guy is doing this simply to screw him over. He hasnt played since may already aside from a league, dont you think that is punishment enough?
Of course he did something wrong, but hed have to do something historically bad to get blackballed from the industry by his own team unless its a personal vendetta
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On September 04 2007 21:06 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2007 18:58 JensOfSweden wrote:On September 04 2007 12:45 infinity21 wrote:
Guys. Please stop bashing on the coach. In my opinion, FiFo posted the interview in an extremely biased and emotional way. Remember, an interview is a story from just one side. In Casy's view, he was treated extremely unfairly and unjustly by OGN. In reality, I don't think the coach was being a complete dick like the interview portrayed him. Perhaps the coach was at fault. But to assume that Casy is without fault is downright stupid. We can (and should, imo) form our opinions after we hear the statements from both sides: Casy and the OGN coaching staff.
Summary: To read an one-sided interview and make quick judgements about others is wrong. Thank god someone else is realizing this. I think Casy might have been clubbing alot or whatever, being all famous after his OSL win and this perhaps caused the beef between him and the coach. People always read whatever news completely obvlivious to the fact that news are easily biased. you think its ok to blackball someone from an industry because they were clubbing? Release him from his contract and let him go somewhere else if thats the case. The guy is doing this simply to screw him over. He hasnt played since may already aside from a league, dont you think that is punishment enough? Of course he did something wrong, but hed have to do something historically bad to get blackballed from the industry by his own team unless its a personal vendetta
You might find this weird but there's this mentality with Koreans that I can see in the coach right now. I can understand why he's doing this. It's not that weird for the coach to do this to Casy in Korean culture. Of course, it's wrong, but it's understandable. I guess this is where the differences in traditional Korean culture and American culture comes in.
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Somebody said something about "suing" ?
Well, since Daigomi mentioned a contract, and Manager Lee is not letting him leave the team or join another team or sumthin'
I asked already, he can definitely sue. Just as long as he has the "contract" and he does not get income and is not allowed to go out of the team to get his own job, he CAN sue.
edit: I mean, Manager Lee can't destroy his life in any way. I mean, ProGamers are human, too, and they too have rights.
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