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Osaka27178 Posts
On September 04 2007 22:24 Waxangel wrote:
I'd tread carefully when covering this issue. There are so many conflicting accounts of what happened from various sources, no one can really be sure what is going on. All the Korean media is confused as hell, and most of the 'conclusions' that have been come to are fans doing guesswork and trying to find plausible explanations.
I'd like any updates you are able to give.
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im confused, if OGN isnt playing Casy - why cant he just leave OGN? then after a few months or whatever another team just pick him up? o_O
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Isn't it also possible that Casy has acquired such a reputation that other teams don't want him?
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
Guys, as Wax and many others have said, we can't take a side just yet. While I was translating the posts I knew that the interview especially was extremely biased. We should wait for OGN to make their official statement before we start formulating plans on how to get the coach cruicified (Koreans are already getting ready to boycott OGN or something like that).
From what I understood, the initial problem with Casy was his lack of discipline. The things after that like the proleague incident may sound really bad and make Casy look innocent, but who knows? Perhaps the coach had put a temporary ban, or Casy hadn't really fixed his habits yet. We just don't know enough to speculate much.
Many of you have said that no matter what Casy did, he should not have been forced into this situation. But was he FORCED, or did he CHOSE? Both is possible, but neither is certain.
It was Casy who chose to get the transfer done. It was he who said "I will no longer play with OGN, get me transferred." Now his interview portrays him as a man who had no other choice but to transfer or live a life of constant slander. But is that the case? What if he did indeed deserve the slander. What if the OGN staff were trying to keep him under control (if he was out of control) and he just didn't like it, and said "look I'm not putting up with this, get me transferred).
I always wondered that. Perhaps the coach isn't the evil guy. What if Casy had done some really bad things in the past that forced the coaches to keep a tight grip on him. Maybe he was cought doing drugs, and the coaches really cracked down on him, and they refused to let it out in public to save his face (although now that I think about it that's a stupid theory). But you know what I'm trying to say.... something along those lines.
My point is this: Like the OGN/MBC vs KeSPA battle, we can't jump to conclusions until we hear the full story. Now OGN said they'll make an official statement by next week, so we'll wait for that.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On September 05 2007 12:13 Metal[x] wrote:
im confused, if OGN isnt playing Casy - why cant he just leave OGN? then after a few months or whatever another team just pick him up? o_O
Casy basically said "I'm not playing for you, get me transfered". OGN tried, but other teams didn't agree with the terms (this could be because OGN made unreasonable demands, or simply because other teams didn't want casy that much). Then Casy came back after his personal troubles and said let me back, but the manager refused (again this could be because he's evil, or he doesn't want to go through the shit with Casy again, if Casy was really evil afterall).
So he can't go back, and no other team is willing to trade for him.
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On September 05 2007 12:28 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2007 12:13 Metal[x] wrote:
im confused, if OGN isnt playing Casy - why cant he just leave OGN? then after a few months or whatever another team just pick him up? o_O Casy basically said "I'm not playing for you, get me transfered". OGN tried, but other teams didn't agree with the terms (this could be because OGN made unreasonable demands, or simply because other teams didn't want casy that much). Then Casy came back after his personal troubles and said let me back, but the manager refused (again this could be because he's evil, or he doesn't want to go through the shit with Casy again, if Casy was really evil afterall). So he can't go back, and no other team is willing to trade for him.
I think Metal[x]'s qusetion was, why can't he just do it now.
The reason he couldn't get transferred was because OGN f**ked him over with high price trade deals. Why can't he just sit out the contract (since he didn't sign a permanent contract). Then when his contract is up, he'll just be a "free-trade" pickup player going to whatever team gives him the best offer.
Unless this is prevented by "Option 2 contract plan" that he signed which would be a continuuing employment of him which prevents his transfer, but I don't that's the case, because I DONT THINK that's legal to not pay him, allow him a "transfer" then being so dirty with the high transfer fees.
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On September 04 2007 11:43 Live2Win wrote:
According to Casy, the trouble began during negotiations between KOR (before OGN Sparkyz) and "Player A" (who is speculated to be either Qoo)Max or terato... most likely max). He says that he stepped in and told the coach that if negotiations did not continue with "A" then he would not negotiate his contract as well. However, eventually "Player A" left the team, leaving Casy in an awkward state.
He shouldn't have done this, he fucked himself. There's a reason people don't barter this way in business. He's a professional gamer. Act more professional, Casy. Earn those six-figures.
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wtf is going on casy =(
this is really a big event for progaming in korea, i think... a battle of progaming contracts and rights... something like this is necessary for the profession to evolve
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Hi - i'm new, so take this with a pinch of salt:
"I have no choice" - does he? how much power do the team coaches have? do they have the choice to genuinely end someone's progaming career if they feel like it? (I genuinely don't know).
from what has been said, seems as though the bosses in progaming use the players nearly as slaves, they dominate the players, probably working far fewer hours, this augmented by the fact that that they have the final say in the player's whole career by refusing transfers. seems the stars have little to no say in anything with that around their necks.
disallowing a worker to continue in the profession that he is trained in by simply not agreeing to let him work, or allowing him to move to some where he could is clearly unfair.
granted, if everything said so far has been true..
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Unfortunatly he himself started that with treatening his Coach, he should have known how this coach will react, he is not known as the most warm and most friendly one, he is a buisnessman. I feel just sry for him, he tried to help a friend and killed himself
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the thing people are most angry at is the concept that ogn might be not only not paying casy but also preventing other teams from paying casy.
all we're saying is that ogn shouldn't be able to give him 0 money while also owning his player rights.
we're not saying that's confirmably the case, but if it is the case, then it's wrong, no matter what.
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On September 05 2007 08:26 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2007 07:04 humblegar wrote:
Some of you should try to lead a team and see what happens if one of your team is allowed to party while the others have to train all day. Especially if that someone is supposed to be a champion and a rolemodel.
Why would other teams automatically sign a player that has caused trouble on his last team? What are you telling your team if you sign a player that didn't train/behave properly on his last team (even if you suspect the coach was partly to blame)?
But just like everyone here I have no clue who said what, and who did what, I just wanted to mention that leaders have to consider these things. even if that were the case, you can punish the player, but to punish them for their entire career is stupid. He could have fined casy or something, or banned him from proleague for a month. Blackballing him from progaming and basically forcing him into joining the airforce is bad.
Of course, I was posting because some think its a small thing for a coach to live with a star player that skip practice a.s.o. It is in fact extremely damaging to a team for obvious reasons.
I hope the blackballing/banning part is not true, like everyone else (and so far we really don't know?).
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If Casy's career ends, I'll quit all things SC related.
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wtf casy was like one of the best on the team lol? nice move coach
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On September 05 2007 20:11 SuperJongMan wrote:
If Casy's career ends, I'll quit all things SC related.
I might just do the same. Looking back over 2006, this is almost heart breaking to see how much promise Casy had, He quickly earned himself a name amongst one of my fav players and for him to leave like this would just be a damn shame
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fuck Casy, jk 
this is sad
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On September 05 2007 16:29 a-game wrote:
the thing people are most angry at is the concept that ogn might be not only not paying casy but also preventing other teams from paying casy.
all we're saying is that ogn shouldn't be able to give him 0 money while also owning his player rights.
we're not saying that's confirmably the case, but if it is the case, then it's wrong, no matter what.
From what I understood, OGN is paying Casy (still paying out his contract). They just won't play him and will ban him from the dorms.
I dunno how accurate my understanding is though 
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On September 06 2007 05:14 Woyn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2007 20:11 SuperJongMan wrote:
If Casy's career ends, I'll quit all things SC related. I might just do the same. Looking back over 2006, this is almost heart breaking to see how much promise Casy had, He quickly earned himself a name amongst one of my fav players and for him to leave like this would just be a damn shame
That starleague had way too many players, and way too many chances to let players back in after they'd lost.
Nonetheless, Casy is a still an awesome player.
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On September 05 2007 12:28 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2007 12:13 Metal[x] wrote:
im confused, if OGN isnt playing Casy - why cant he just leave OGN? then after a few months or whatever another team just pick him up? o_O Casy basically said "I'm not playing for you, get me transfered". OGN tried, but other teams didn't agree with the terms (this could be because OGN made unreasonable demands, or simply because other teams didn't want casy that much). Then Casy came back after his personal troubles and said let me back, but the manager refused (again this could be because he's evil, or he doesn't want to go through the shit with Casy again, if Casy was really evil afterall). So he can't go back, and no other team is willing to trade for him.
Are you telling me that all of the teams would have refused a paycut-taking Casy?
I wouldn't. It seems likely that OGN added in money or requested a trade.
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Casy seemed to have gotten bigheaded and that is the result. " why bite the hand that is feeding you?" hard lesson for a kid at his age.
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