With our introduction of the official, pan-tournament Power Rank for StarCraft II, we've decided to refrain from doing a full, pre-tournament power rank for DreamHack Summer. However, we know it's a feature a lot of our fans and readers look forward to, so we made sure to a least provide short, abridged version so you won't be disappointed.
Now that's out of the way, we can move onto Part One of our preview. What comes first? Why, the first thing you think about at any international tournament: Korean progamers.
Koreans: Beatable or Not?
Now that the WCS Season 1 Finals have crushed foreigner hope yet again, it's time to look at the Koreans coming to DreamHack Stockholm and play everyone's favorite game show: Koreans, can we (foreigners) beat them or not? Let's go through the roster in alphabetical order.
*Based on the last confirmed roster of players. Cancellations and replacements are a frequent occurrence at DreamHack, and players on this list may not participate..
"Waiter, our money hasn't arrived yet."
WW.Arthur: Beatable Sure, Arthur should play better in a live setting than he does with KR-NA and KR-EU lag, but his online tournament stats still show he isn't that big of a threat. Even at his best, the ex-SlayerS player was just a low Code A player, which isn't enough to strike fear into the hearts of Europeans.
WW.Daisy: Beatable For the half year he was based in Europe, Daisy was one of the strongest players in the region, even earning trips to MLG out of the European qualifiers. However, he has yet to show us a good result since he returned to Korea and switched to HotS, and he wasn't able to qualify for the WCS Europe Premier or Challenge Leagues while playing from Korea. This return to Europe might be just what he needs to turn his fortunes around.
FXO.GuMiho: Potentially Vulnerable? Gumiho was on his way to certain glory at DreamHack: Stockholm, until he was stopped in his tracks in the Ro8 by Jaedong, a player who waffles between winning ace matches in the Proleague and failing to reach the WCS America Premier League. While at the time it looked like Gumiho just had the misfortune of meeting Jaedong in one of his rare but brilliant moments of clarity, subsequent results suggest that Gumiho just isn't the perennial Code S power he used to be. After DreamHack, he has put up a poor 5 - 12 record against Korean competition, and has failed to qualify for the next Starleague season. At least for now, Gumiho is on the decline. Perhaps that means he will be vulnerable to the foreigners as well?
Quantic.HyuN: Tough but not unbeatable Once a GSL finalist and 14 time IPL Fight Club champion, HyuN just hasn't looked the same since he lost that fateful Code S final to Sniper in November of 2012.
It's not like he's suddenly become a 'jobber' as Tastosis might put it, and he's still a really good player. But after once being in the discussion for best player in the world, being merely a 'pretty good Korean' is a big dropoff. I expect HyuN's DH summer to go somewhat similarly to his last DreamHack run, where he crushed though most of the foreigners and mid-tier Koreans during the groups, with only the best players in the tournament able to challenge in him the elimination phase. The top handful of foreigners have a chance, but the others will be hard pressed to beat him outside of ZvZ.
EG.Jaedong.RC: Getting better but still beatable If you get past the golden mouse, the five OSL/MSL titles, and the legendary Brood War legacy, it's clear that Jaedong is a pretty ordinary Korean in SC2. Being a Proleague regular who has a slightly under .500 record still puts him in the upper echelon of competitors at this particular tournament, but no one would be surprised at this point if his poor ZvP saw him fall to any Protoss. In Jaedong's defense, he has been getting slowly better over time, especially in the ZvP match-up which isn't an auto-loss for him anymore. But then sometimes he'll go do something like lose to TheOgnis in the WCS AM Challenger League, and you remember he still has a long way to go before he recovers his past glory.
ST_Life: Surprisingly not-totally unbeatable Not only is Life the best player at this tournament, he might be the best StarCraft II player to play at a DreamHack EVER. Looking back, the three best players to compete at an SC2 DreamHack are: TaeJa @ Valencia 2012 (at the height of the summer of TaeJa), DongRaeGu @ Winter 2011 (just slightly before his peak), and now Life @ Summer 2013 (slightly come down from his peak). The order is kind of debatable, but all four were at least] Code S top four caliber at the time if not championship level. TaeJa won his tournament, DRG only got cheesed out by an in-his-prime PuMa (using marauder-hellion all-ins), and now it looks like Life should win at Summer.
Life may have been humbled slightly in the Code S group of death, but going 1 - 2 against PartinG and Innovation doesn't revoke one's 'really f***ing good' status. He's a Code S champ, a back to back MLG champ, and without a doubt one of the top ten players in the world.
Life's presumed reaction upon seeing the DreamHack player list.
There's basically no one who can challenge Life on the Protoss or Terran side, but Zerg could actually be a real problem for the prodigy. The one big problem for Life is that the elimination rounds of the tournament are best of three, and he has been known to suffer upsets in in bo3 ZvZ series. The Korean Zergs Lucky, HyuN, viOlet, and Jaedong all have a fair shot at beating him in a series, while even the foreign Zerg contingent with players like Snute (who eliminated him at IPL5), Stephano, TLO, SortOf, etc. could make something happen. Life may be the best player in the tournament, but he is surprisingly vulnerable given that fact.
FXO.Lucky: I don't know, Kev Outside the time he took second place at IPL3 by debuting the ZvT roach-bane bust before it was a widely known strategy, Lucky has never registered on the mainstream radar. But even in the shadows, Lucky has usually been pretty active, giving us a lot of online, Code A, and team league games to let us know where he's at. However, for this tournament, the little-known FXO Zerg comes in truly shrouded, having played barely any tournament games in the past two months. The latest result we have to go by is his performance in the HomeStory Cup 7 qualifiers, where he defeated MarineKing (not a big deal nowadays) and Arthur (nothing to write home about) before losing to teammate and OSL player Hurricane (also not surprising in the least).
The most useful piece of info we have to judge Lucky by is that we know FXOpen Korea sends players abroad on merit based system, with some element of taking turns. We can cautiously presume that since Leenock has already earned a seed at the season final at DreamHack Winter, Gumiho and Lucky were the next best players FXOpen deemed capable of placing high at this tournament. On a roster that has players like Hurricane, Gumiho and sC, that's some decent praise.
LG-IM_Squirtle: Kinda unbeatable? If he hasn't already grown soft from being in Europe a few weeks, Squirtle should be able to live up to his superstar billing at DreamHack. While he wasn't able to win the tournament he went to play in the first place, the Numericable M-House Cup where he lost to ForGG and HyuN, Squirtle did make up for it somewhat by winning the Gigabyte Proleague.
Right now, I'm not that confident about Squirtle's capabilities against his fellow Koreans. Sure he's qualified for the next WCS Korea Starleague, but he didn't look good against Shine or Keen when he was eliminated from Code S last season, nor did he beat particularly good players (Ruin, ALBM, and a walkover) to re-qualify. Maybe he was a GSL finalist a year ago, but that's not who he is now. Still, with a 4 - 0 against Snute, a 3 - 0 win against Kas, and a combined 4 - 1 record against Dayshi since he arrived in Europe, I'm pretty sold on his ability to crush foreigners.
mYi.StarDust: Beatable Stardust is another Korean who is playing out of Europe, and he is now presumably the best player in Switzerland. However his record since his arrival isn't particularly hot, as he was eliminated from the HSC 7 Europe qualifiers by Bunny. While Stardust may end up like ForGG or Daisy eventually, right now he's looking more like a Real.
WW.Sting: Beatable but dangerous Sting's fearless cheesiness allows him to punch above his weight in tournaments, but shouldn't people kind of have caught on to him by now? Okay, so it's easier said than done trying to stop a player who avoids the late game like the plague, and surviving against his marine-mine-medivac attacks before getting to hive can be tough. But at least you can narrow down the possibilities against Sting.
Liquid`TaeJa: Mostly unbeatable This may seem strange to say in a tournament pool that has Life in it, but I think TaeJa might actually be the safer bet to finish high in this tournament. Life has the most potential to win it all, but there's less variance in seeing TaeJa trudge his way to a top four~eight finish. As mentioned above, short ZvZ series are just such a huge X-factor, and even Life at the height of his prime was once eliminated from IPL5 by Snute due to it. Not just that, but there are quite a few good Korean ZvZ players attending as well.
Even though roach-bane all-ins are emerging as the great equalizer in ZvT – with even TaeJa taking a loss to ViBE recently in the Acer TeamStory Cup – Korean Terrans in general seem the least upset prone among their countrymen (also it's the race Mvp plays). Now, take into account that TaeJa and Gumiho are the two best Terrans in the tournament, and that TaeJa tends to play a more standard, macro style... Alright, so maybe all that was a bit of a stretch.
It may have been a while since TaeJa won a foreign tournament and his wrist injuries have seen him decline. But he's always considered foreigners to be free money, and few have proven him wrong thus far.
coL.TheStC: Beatable Back in mid 2012, TheStC had the potential to become the neo-PuMa, a Korean Terran with the financial backing to trot around the globe, and the skill to sweep through weaker tournaments and place high in ones that were Korean-infested. Instead, TheStC has went the way of many of his fellow first-wave prize money hunters, slowly declining and becoming a more or less evenly matched with the foreigners he once preyed upon. With losses to Jim, MacSed, mOOnGLaDe, and Demuslim in recent weeks, it doesn't seem likely that TheStC can prevail against Europe's best.
Azubu.viOLet: Mostly unbeatable Thought to have cancelled his participation alongside his Azubu teammates Symbol and SuperNoVa, viOLet has made a last minute re-entry into the tournament. As of now, I'm desperate hoping for him to advance far enough to have a stage match, win it, and then rip off his Azubu uniform on stage to reveal the logo of his backers. Ahhh... if only.
Even if his visa related forfeiture from WCS America has left us with very few meaningful HotS games to go by, we still have to give viOLet credit and say he's one of the best players in the tournament. Ever since January of 2012 he's been on a long streak of being a title contender at just about every tournament he's been at, and a brief quiet spell at the start of a new expansion won't make us change our opinion on him just yet.
super hyped for this now but i must say please don't make the Koreans look like monsters that come to Sweden to take all the foreigners money , i mean Leenock almost got booed in last dreamhack when he played a perfect tournament .
Looking back, the three best players to compete at an SC2 DreamHack are: (T)TaeJa @ Valencia 2012 (at the height of the summer of TaeJa), (Z)DongRaeGu @ Winter 2011 (just slightly before his peak), and now Life @ Summer 2013 (slightly come down from his peak).
As an avid HerO fan, I take great offense at what you just wrote and demand correction asap!!! Besides this glaring mistake, well written!
Hyun and Squirtle have been in Europe for 2 weeks, definitely a factor (good or bad ?). And I disagree with putting TheStc on the same level than Arthur, Daisy and Stardust.
It's Europe, here foreigners always have a chance.(atleast way better then outside of Europe) Though honestly i think Life is to hungry for money and his way back to the top he's just not going to be beaten unless it's a JvZ.
Life, Squirtle and Taeja are the big three in this tournament. No one is getting past them except perhaps one of the other Koreans and even they are a pretty big IF.
Foreigners don't have a chance in this tournament. The Koreans listed as beatable are accurate for the most part but anyone with even a trace of RED next to their names is a safe bet to win over foreign competitors.
We definitely won't be seeing a foreign finalist here and I'd be surprised if we saw any foreigner take a group over any of the major Korean competitors.
I hate to be so negative about it, but the divide in this bracket is really that large.
On June 13 2013 21:10 Vindicare605 wrote: This is just wishful thinking honestly.
Life, Squirtle and Taeja are the big three in this tournament. No one is getting past them except perhaps one of the other Koreans and even they are a pretty big IF.
Foreigners don't have a chance in this tournament. The Koreans listed as beatable are accurate for the most part but anyone with even a trace of RED next to their names is a safe bet.
We definitely won't be seeing a foreign finalist here and I'd be surprised if we saw any foreigner take a group over any of the major Korean competitors.
I hate to be so negative about it, but the divide in this bracket is really that large.
They have a chance! One in a million is a chance. Yessss, yesss, there is a chance!
I'll go with Life as winner, although I hope viOlet or Jaedong can take it... Only way I see Life not winning is if he has to play JD and his ridiculously OP ZvZ
On June 13 2013 20:25 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Squirtle plox! Not only do I think he'll win I really hope he'll do it too. It's not just because he's on IM now either.
Much like Symbol, he's a guy that just can't get 1st in a premiere event despite being really good and coming close a few times.
- MVP took his gsl title despite him only dropping 1 game until the finals.
- Alive took his IPL 4 championship after Squirtle came all the way from the open bracket to make the finals
- Creator took his WCS: Korea win.
- PartinG took his builds.
He.needs.this.
Yes, it's heartbreaking being a Squirtle fan
He did show some excellent games in the GSTL, including a sick good ace match win vs Azubu.Symbol. I believe!
Failing which, either Life winning or a Jaedong resurrection would be great.
Don't get me wrong, I like Squirtle but I LOVE MVP.
I have no qualms whatsoever about MVP stealing that royal road from him. If he won here I'd be happy for him but I just can't see him getting past Life.
Awsome writeup ! really good im looking forward to part2. But i do not really see how you are able to write that life is "Surprisingly not-totally unbeatable" you act like hes almost jaedong in the pvz setup while life does still beat high caliber zergs and jaedong mhhhh does'nt really... kinda. Well its strange you doubt Life could have some problems getting top 4 cause hes still at the top..
Looking back, the three best players to compete at an SC2 DreamHack are: (T)TaeJa @ Valencia 2012 (at the height of the summer of TaeJa), (Z)DongRaeGu @ Winter 2011 (just slightly before his peak), and now Life @ Summer 2013 (slightly come down from his peak).
As an avid HerO fan, I take great offense at what you just wrote and demand correction asap!!! Besides this glaring mistake, well written!
Seconded, December-HerO from last year was the best player to ever play at Dreamhack until now imo. He just manhandled the whole thing like it was nothing.
So nobody commented on the fact, that there are 38 Protoss, 29 Terrans and 60(!) Zerg present? I mean... come on, do hatcheries nowadays spawn young nerds?
High master zerg reporting in, to give my thoughts on this...
1. Stephano and Snute are both on a higher level than these players: - Daisy - Arthur - Sting - Stardust - TheSTC(even IdrA is better than him) - Lucky(why is this guy even considered a threat to anybody?) __________________
I think they are more or less in the same level as viOLet and hyuN.
EDIT: Oh, and Life will win. Life as a player is just >>> Taeja.
Top 3 is prolly gonna look like this: 1st Life 2nd Taeja 3rd viOlet
On June 13 2013 22:02 cloneThorN wrote: High master zerg reporting in, to give my thoughts on this...
1. Stephano and Snute are both on a higher level than these players: - Daisy - Arthur - Sting - Stardust - TheSTC(even IdrA is better than him) - Lucky(why is this guy even considered a threat to anybody?) __________________
I think they are more or less in the same level as viOLet and hyuN.
EDIT: Oh, and Life will win. Life as a player is just >>> Taeja.
Top 3 is prolly gonna look like this: 1st Life 2nd Taeja 3rd viOlet
There are 60 zergs in this tournament. SIXTY. Stephano is screwed.
On June 13 2013 20:30 ahmedaak88 wrote: super hyped for this now but i must say please don't make the Koreans look like monsters that come to Sweden to take all the foreigners money , i mean Leenock almost got booed in last dreamhack when he played a perfect tournament .
YaI really dont like how its us against them. Why cant we appreciate each player for their own skill.
On June 13 2013 20:30 ahmedaak88 wrote: super hyped for this now but i must say please don't make the Koreans look like monsters that come to Sweden to take all the foreigners money , i mean Leenock almost got booed in last dreamhack when he played a perfect tournament .
It was the Naniwa effect. Not the Korean against the world one.
So which foreigner could take them? I think there is one, a little one. When I think back to recent events he underperformed in the sense, that his abilities were not correctly reflected in his results. I still firmly believe, that, IF TLO is training like a bunny on a sexspree and keeps up going for new, unorthodoxe, yet effective builds (TLO style can be unpredictable), he has a shot at winning big. I'm not saying it's highly likely. I'm just trying to explain, that, IF he overcomes the foreigner "meh I trained enough for this week" lazy attitude and adapts his "wtf only 70 games today, I need to keep going" mindset, he can do it.
Looking back, the three best players to compete at an SC2 DreamHack are: (T)TaeJa @ Valencia 2012 (at the height of the summer of TaeJa), (Z)DongRaeGu @ Winter 2011 (just slightly before his peak), and now Life @ Summer 2013 (slightly come down from his peak).
As an avid HerO fan, I take great offense at what you just wrote and demand correction asap!!! Besides this glaring mistake, well written!
Seconded, December-HerO from last year was the best player to ever play at Dreamhack until now imo. He just manhandled the whole thing like it was nothing.
I'd say ffs Squirtle, just win something already
Hero's good, but calling him the best player to ever play at Dreamhack is ridiculous. He's not even the best Protoss player at a dreamhack. MC played at Dreamhack Summer in 2011.
I feel this article underestimates Life. Life is the heavy favorite here
Looking back, the three best players to compete at an SC2 DreamHack are: (T)TaeJa @ Valencia 2012 (at the height of the summer of TaeJa), (Z)DongRaeGu @ Winter 2011 (just slightly before his peak), and now Life @ Summer 2013 (slightly come down from his peak).
As an avid HerO fan, I take great offense at what you just wrote and demand correction asap!!! Besides this glaring mistake, well written!
Seconded, December-HerO from last year was the best player to ever play at Dreamhack until now imo. He just manhandled the whole thing like it was nothing.
I'd say ffs Squirtle, just win something already
Hero's good, but calling him the best player to ever play at Dreamhack is ridiculous. He's not even the best Protoss player at a dreamhack. MC played at Dreamhack Summer in 2011.
I feel this article underestimates Life. Life is the heavy favorite here
The way HerO played at DH Winter 2012 far outshines MC's performance at any Dreamhack. Or any other player's for that matter. He dropped 2 maps, one of which he may or may not have thrown for Ret and the other was a PvP with build order disadvantage. He 5-0d his group, 3-0d Snute, 4-0d Taeja. All of which he did EASILY.
The way I meant it is not that he's overall better than players like MC but his performance there was the best anyone has shown at any DH.
Looking back, the three best players to compete at an SC2 DreamHack are: (T)TaeJa @ Valencia 2012 (at the height of the summer of TaeJa), (Z)DongRaeGu @ Winter 2011 (just slightly before his peak), and now Life @ Summer 2013 (slightly come down from his peak).
As an avid HerO fan, I take great offense at what you just wrote and demand correction asap!!! Besides this glaring mistake, well written!
Seconded, December-HerO from last year was the best player to ever play at Dreamhack until now imo. He just manhandled the whole thing like it was nothing.
I'd say ffs Squirtle, just win something already
Hero's good, but calling him the best player to ever play at Dreamhack is ridiculous. He's not even the best Protoss player at a dreamhack. MC played at Dreamhack Summer in 2011.
I feel this article underestimates Life. Life is the heavy favorite here
He's the only one to ever win Dreamhack twice. Also, there are many ways to measure how good a player is. How good is he now? HerO is a lot, a looooot, better right now than MC (also better than Taeja, DRG). Or do you want to measure how good they were at the time (relative to the time? relative to now?) when they were attending Dreamhack? However you measure it, giving the only two times DH winner no credit at all is not justified.
Looking back, the three best players to compete at an SC2 DreamHack are: (T)TaeJa @ Valencia 2012 (at the height of the summer of TaeJa), (Z)DongRaeGu @ Winter 2011 (just slightly before his peak), and now Life @ Summer 2013 (slightly come down from his peak).
As an avid HerO fan, I take great offense at what you just wrote and demand correction asap!!! Besides this glaring mistake, well written!
Seconded, December-HerO from last year was the best player to ever play at Dreamhack until now imo. He just manhandled the whole thing like it was nothing.
I'd say ffs Squirtle, just win something already
Hero's good, but calling him the best player to ever play at Dreamhack is ridiculous. He's not even the best Protoss player at a dreamhack. MC played at Dreamhack Summer in 2011.
I feel this article underestimates Life. Life is the heavy favorite here
He's the only one to ever win Dreamhack twice. Also, there are many ways to measure how good a player is. How good is he now? HerO is a lot, a looooot, better right now than MC (also better than Taeja, DRG). Or do you want to measure how good they were at the time (relative to the time? relative to now?) when they were attending Dreamhack? However you measure it, giving the only two times DH winner no credit at all is not justified.
Pah *shakes angry fist at the writers*
Yes, I am talking about their form when they participated at the tournament (which is also what the article was talking about). I guess what I'm trying to say is that when these players like MC, Taeja, and DRG played at Dreamhacks, many would consider them the top 5 players in the world. All I'm saying is that while Hero has won a lot at Dreamhacks, he's not someone I'd consider top 5 in the world, ie top tier. I think that is what the writers may having been saying as well.
Not only is Life the best player at this tournament, he might be the best StarCraft II player to play at a DreamHack EVER. Looking back, the three best players to compete at an SC2 DreamHack are: (T)TaeJa @ Valencia 2012 (at the height of the summer of TaeJa), (Z)DongRaeGu @ Winter 2011 (just slightly before his peak), and now Life @ Summer 2013 (slightly come down from his peak). The order is kind of debatable, but all four were at least
I find it interesting that KesPA has basically declined to attend any events outside korea (other than MLG who they have an agreement with). Its like the esF is becoming "our koreans" and KesPA is "their koreans". I feel like if it keeps going this way KesPA is going to end up dominating WCS KR (they already have a slight majority in Premier league and have been sending tons of players into the qualifiers) while the esF focuses on taking their talents to outside of korea.
I really wish you did a full power rank, its one of the things I look forward to the most when there is a new Dreamhack tournament. Right now, Dreamhack is pretty much the only tournament left as all others are simply merged into the WCS league.
On June 14 2013 00:24 nkr wrote: stardust won the ESET qualifiers yesterday
1-0 vs goswser 1-0 vs tefel 2-0 vs socke 2-0 vs HyuN 3-1 vs slivko
sign of things to come! just you wait waxangel
This! Obviously I'm somewhat biased here, but I do feel like this is underrating StarDust a tad. His PvZ is absolutely insane, so with the sheer number of Zergs in the tournament... you never know!
Is [insert Korean player name here] beatable by a foreigner? I think a respectable portion of the Koreans are beatable by foreigners, however, there's probably a good number of Koreans that just aren't.
I think it is impossible (basically 100%) for a foreigner to beat Life or Taeja in an extended series. I think it is highly unlikely (basically 85-90%) for a foreigner to beat Squirtle, violet, Jaedong and Gumiho. The rest I think are beatable, although some more than others, I believe that there is a 40+% that the rest of the Koreans are beatable.
Still, at the end of the day, will the Koreans take 1-3? Yes 1-5? Good chance 1-8? Probably 1-12? Eh probably not.
On June 14 2013 01:57 Kontys wrote: Won't be watching it. There is actual competition going on in the dota 2 scene.
Something can compete with the chinese ?
Let's be honest we can make just the same list for them.
We managed to get a Foreigner in the finals last DH, there is always a chance ppl just like to drama it up. And take this Power ranking a tad to serieus.
It may have been a while since TaeJa won a foreign tournament and his wrist injuries have seen him decline. But he's always considered foreigners to be free money
I think if Jaedong beats Life that will yet be another high profile elimination of Life by a KeSPA zerg. I think that Life is the favorite, but I wouldn't bet my life on him winning the tournament.
Well it depends on whether Life decides that he wants to be beaten. There's no one, at all, can beat this kid unless he allows them too (I'm looking at you Parting and Innovation)
Gonna be interesting to see if he is feeling generous this tournament or not
Hoping that TLO can kill some koreans! He seems to be one of the very few foreigners there who takes his practice to the highest level =)
On June 13 2013 21:06 Lysanias wrote: It's Europe, here foreigners always have a chance.(atleast way better then outside of Europe) Though honestly i think Life is to hungry for money and his way back to the top he's just not going to be beaten unless it's a JvZ.
Props for getting this article up almost two days in advance, it really helps build the hype and advertise the tournament. I'm usually very critical of foreign tournaments receiving poor coverage but this is great.
On June 14 2013 01:57 Kontys wrote: Won't be watching it. There is actual competition going on in the dota 2 scene.
Something can compete with the chinese ?
Let's be honest we can make just the same list for them.
We managed to get a Foreigner in the finals last DH, there is always a chance ppl just like to drama it up. And take this Power ranking a tad to serieus.
The Swedish team Alliance (aka EG.EU aka Naniwa's Dota2 counterparts) swept the most prestigious Chinese Dota league a few weeks ago... on Chinese soil. They went 7-0 in very convincing and dominating games. They haven't been completely undefeated but they have shown that the foreign style of Dota2 can definitely match up to the Chinese style.
On June 14 2013 05:18 SrsBusiness wrote: Violet mostly unbeatable... really?
As long as he 2-0s customs he has a pretty good shot
I feel bad for laughing at this because it really is the worst thing to happen in a career like this... just the US customs is bad enough, if he were to have issues with Sweden or Germany, he'd be pretty much stuck to playing in Korea exclusively.
The guy ahead of me has it right! Life vs Jaedong people, calling it right here. Jaedong isn't quite as impressive as he was in sc1 but then again how the hell could anyone be as impressive as he was back then. I think that if we do get a life vs jaedong that life will take the game though unfortunately. If I had it my way TLO would be winning this, he's the all around "good guy" super hero that everyone should be hoping wins!
with players like Snute (who eliminated him at IPL5), Stephano, TLO, SortOf, etc. could make something happen. Life may be the best player in the tournament, but he is surprisingly vulnerable given that fact.
As much as I like Stephano, this statement makes no sense. Stephano is very, very vulnerable in ZvZ. His confidence in this matchup is still below zero, so giving him odds to beat Life (!) sounds odd. Would be amazing to see that upset, though haha
with players like Snute (who eliminated him at IPL5), Stephano, TLO, SortOf, etc. could make something happen. Life may be the best player in the tournament, but he is surprisingly vulnerable given that fact.
As much as I like Stephano, this statement makes no sense. Stephano is very, very vulnerable in ZvZ. His confidence in this matchup is still below zero, so giving him odds to beat Life (!) sounds odd. Would be amazing to see that upset, though haha
That's what they said at the GSL World Championship at IPL 5.
On June 14 2013 09:52 sM.Zik wrote: I want a Life vs Jaedong finals or semi-finals.
Oh god please not again. Especially since zvz seems to be moving back to the wol roach vs roach a move battle. I really really really don't want to see zerg win again, the last 5 gsls is enough imo.
But since I recently switched to being a zerg user: Jaedong hwaiting!
Also can't we just burry the korean vs foreigner story line at every foreign event? Koreans are better, they actually take pro gaming super serious, foreigners are, for the most part, lazy, practice in an inferior way and have worse practice partners.
On June 14 2013 01:57 Kontys wrote: Won't be watching it. There is actual competition going on in the dota 2 scene.
Something can compete with the chinese ?
Let's be honest we can make just the same list for them.
We managed to get a Foreigner in the finals last DH, there is always a chance ppl just like to drama it up. And take this Power ranking a tad to serieus.
The Swedish team Alliance (aka EG.EU aka Naniwa's Dota2 counterparts) swept the most prestigious Chinese Dota league a few weeks ago... on Chinese soil. They went 7-0 in very convincing and dominating games. They haven't been completely undefeated but they have shown that the foreign style of Dota2 can definitely match up to the Chinese style.
Dota 2 also had a huge patch go through a month or so ago. In WoL after the queen patch, a large number of foreign zergs rose to prominence (beat a Korean once online) off broodlord infestor. Lets hold off on saying the foreigners took dota 2 from the Chinese.
Chinese aren't nearly as dominating in dota 2 as the Koreans are in sc2. They are more focused on LoL from what I've heard from friends living aboard.
You know what the problem is? You got way to much repect for the koreans, they got an edge just because of that, they know you fear them like the devul. Naniwa and a few others are exceptions.
On June 14 2013 23:38 MidnightZL wrote: You know what the problem is? You got way to much repect for the koreans, they got an edge just because of that, they know you fear them like the devul. Naniwa and a few others are exceptions.
It's 100% earned respect. See last WCS. You make it sound like it's more a psychological thing than a "skill" one.
On June 14 2013 23:38 MidnightZL wrote: You know what the problem is? You got way to much repect for the koreans, they got an edge just because of that, they know you fear them like the devul. Naniwa and a few others are exceptions.
It's 100% earned respect. See last WCS. You make it sound like it's more a psychological thing than a "skill" one.
Koreans have a HUGE gap on the foreigners in mechanics. It is hard to say that "physiological" effect is causing the losses when the opponents usually have twice your apm.
It is true that SOME foreigners only aim towards getting the best results against other foreigners. Elfi is a great example of a player not focusing on his mechanics, but focusing on individual matches. On the other hand there are players like 8th_Major that has sacrificed his foreign results for the opportunity to improve his mechanics as a dish boy for a KeSPA team. Foreigners understand how badly their mechanics will be torn apart by Koreans in the later stages.
Screw the odds, I'm all out for TaeJa on this one. Should be good games either way. With all this Life hype I just hope someone else wins for the fun of it, but the competition isn't exactly amazing for him.
On June 15 2013 02:07 KristofferAG wrote: Screw the odds, I'm all out for TaeJa on this one. Should be good games either way. With all this Life hype I just hope someone else wins for the fun of it, but the competition isn't exactly amazing for him.
Taeja isn't exactly the "screw the odds choice". I mean yeah Life is more favored, but hes still a top contender to take the tournament.
Life isn't unbeatable because he lost the group of death against the top 5 players in the world and now they think Stephano, Snute, everybody can beat him, facepalm.
Tournament is up for grabs I dont think any of the koreans are unbeatable the only tough heavily favored korean is really just life the rest are good of course but not unbeatable by any means. So should be a close tournament.
I'm pretty confident Life will take this tourny. No one there is on his level.
I mean, obviously anyone can get cheesed out, nothing is a guarantee. Saying that Taeja is a safer bet for the semifinals is totally inaccurate, though (sorry Taeja, still love you man).
On June 15 2013 13:07 petered wrote: I'm pretty confident Life will take this tourny. No one there is on his level.
I mean, obviously anyone can get cheesed out, nothing is a guarantee. Saying that Taeja is a safer bet for the semifinals is totally inaccurate, though (sorry Taeja, still love you man).
On June 13 2013 19:54 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: mYi.StarDust: Beatable Stardust is another Korean who is playing out of Europe, and he is now presumably the best player in Switzerland. However his record since his arrival isn't particularly hot, as he was eliminated from the HSC 7 Europe qualifiers by Bunny. While Stardust may end up like ForGG or Daisy eventually, right now he's looking more like a Real.
Hahahaha, looks like NOT... Awesome tournament, Stardust :D