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On April 11 2013 23:38 smashlloyd20 wrote:
For all the relentless Demuslim fans: this is why he didn't get a seed. He's not from America and he's not in the top 8 of non Americans in WCS America.
Also Lowely missing from EU is a travesty. He has every possible qualification to get in. Feast probably should be in there but most of his recent success has come from tournaments that Blizzard probably didn't look at (ATC, etc.).
Agreed on Lowely, but completely disagree on the point with DeMuslim. If you watched his stream recently, you would be able to see that he very, very clearly is in the top 8 in America. He's been almost even with Polt in TvT, destroying gowswer and stephano very consistently in TvZ and seeing that his micro is what he self-assesses to be his best aspect of his play, his TvP is obviously very good as this is heavily micro-based.
There is absolutely no justification for the majority of the players on that list being selected over DeMuslim.
Fortunately, I think he will be good enough to come through the 'Korean' qualifiers - but the fact that he has to in the first place is just a joke.
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On April 11 2013 23:46 Hollandrock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 23:38 smashlloyd20 wrote:
For all the relentless Demuslim fans: this is why he didn't get a seed. He's not from America and he's not in the top 8 of non Americans in WCS America.
Also Lowely missing from EU is a travesty. He has every possible qualification to get in. Feast probably should be in there but most of his recent success has come from tournaments that Blizzard probably didn't look at (ATC, etc.). Agreed on Lowely, but completely disagree on the point with DeMuslim. If you watched his stream recently, you would be able to see that he very, very clearly is in the top 8 in America. He's been almost even with Polt in TvT, destroying gowswer and stephano very consistently in TvZ and seeing that his micro is what he self-assesses to be his best aspect of his play, his TvP is obviously very good as this is heavily micro-based. There is absolutely no justification for the majority of the players on that list being selected over DeMuslim. Fortunately, I think he will be good enough to come through the 'Korean' qualifiers - but the fact that he has to in the first place is just a joke.
I think it is correct not to do the invites by "watching streams".
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No lucifron or vortix make me a sad spaniard
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Well best thing for DeMuslim is to go to EU to qualify. He will not make it through so many Koreans in NA
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On April 11 2013 23:58 Meatloaf wrote:
No lucifron or vortix make me a sad spaniard
They are in the EU list, or did i miss something ?
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On April 12 2013 00:01 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 23:58 Meatloaf wrote:
No lucifron or vortix make me a sad spaniard They are in the EU list, or did i miss something ?
Sure they are.
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On April 11 2013 23:58 Meatloaf wrote:
No lucifron or vortix make me a sad spaniard
Did you really read the EU list ?
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On April 11 2013 23:51 TheHansBecker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 23:47 grs wrote:On April 11 2013 23:46 Hollandrock wrote:On April 11 2013 23:38 smashlloyd20 wrote:
For all the relentless Demuslim fans: this is why he didn't get a seed. He's not from America and he's not in the top 8 of non Americans in WCS America.
Also Lowely missing from EU is a travesty. He has every possible qualification to get in. Feast probably should be in there but most of his recent success has come from tournaments that Blizzard probably didn't look at (ATC, etc.). Agreed on Lowely, but completely disagree on the point with DeMuslim. If you watched his stream recently, you would be able to see that he very, very clearly is in the top 8 in America. He's been almost even with Polt in TvT, destroying gowswer and stephano very consistently in TvZ and seeing that his micro is what he self-assesses to be his best aspect of his play, his TvP is obviously very good as this is heavily micro-based. There is absolutely no justification for the majority of the players on that list being selected over DeMuslim. Fortunately, I think he will be good enough to come through the 'Korean' qualifiers - but the fact that he has to in the first place is just a joke. I think it is correct not to do the invites by "watching streams". Instead of not watching streams then, how about you also look at the NA ladder leaderboard where he is the clear cut #1 player? .....
If hes so good then dont worry he will beat all those koreans no problem, because you know ladder does matter.
The problem is not why X got invited instead of Y, its do they actually deserve it or should they have played qualifier ?
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From TaeJa's interview lol:
Why did you choose America for your WCS region?
I needed a bit of a break because of my wrist and I could give up Code S for that. That's why I chose America.
What did you think of the invite list for America?
Even unknown players received seeds. So I'm planning on making Blizzard regret it with my games. I already hated Blizzard but now I hate them even more.
Why did you come to dislike Blizzard?
I think they don't care about the players as much as Riot Games.
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On April 11 2013 23:46 Hollandrock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 23:38 smashlloyd20 wrote:
For all the relentless Demuslim fans: this is why he didn't get a seed. He's not from America and he's not in the top 8 of non Americans in WCS America.
Also Lowely missing from EU is a travesty. He has every possible qualification to get in. Feast probably should be in there but most of his recent success has come from tournaments that Blizzard probably didn't look at (ATC, etc.). Agreed on Lowely, but completely disagree on the point with DeMuslim. If you watched his stream recently, you would be able to see that he very, very clearly is in the top 8 in America. He's been almost even with Polt in TvT, destroying gowswer and stephano very consistently in TvZ and seeing that his micro is what he self-assesses to be his best aspect of his play, his TvP is obviously very good as this is heavily micro-based. There is absolutely no justification for the majority of the players on that list being selected over DeMuslim. Fortunately, I think he will be good enough to come through the 'Korean' qualifiers - but the fact that he has to in the first place is just a joke.
16 invites are probably based on results of WCS NA.
The extra 8 are: Ryung,HerO,Violet,Polt,mOOnGLaDe,Sen,NesTea,Snute
Which of these players has been beforming worse than DeMuslim in recent tourneys?
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On April 12 2013 00:21 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 23:46 Hollandrock wrote:On April 11 2013 23:38 smashlloyd20 wrote:
For all the relentless Demuslim fans: this is why he didn't get a seed. He's not from America and he's not in the top 8 of non Americans in WCS America.
Also Lowely missing from EU is a travesty. He has every possible qualification to get in. Feast probably should be in there but most of his recent success has come from tournaments that Blizzard probably didn't look at (ATC, etc.). Agreed on Lowely, but completely disagree on the point with DeMuslim. If you watched his stream recently, you would be able to see that he very, very clearly is in the top 8 in America. He's been almost even with Polt in TvT, destroying gowswer and stephano very consistently in TvZ and seeing that his micro is what he self-assesses to be his best aspect of his play, his TvP is obviously very good as this is heavily micro-based. There is absolutely no justification for the majority of the players on that list being selected over DeMuslim. Fortunately, I think he will be good enough to come through the 'Korean' qualifiers - but the fact that he has to in the first place is just a joke. 16 invites are probably based on results of WCS NA. The extra 8 are: Ryung,HerO,Violet,Polt,mOOnGLaDe,Sen,NesTea,Snute Which of these players has been beforming worse than DeMuslim in recent tourneys?
The first 16 are definitely not based on WCS NA, otherwise Ostojiy(who got 7th at WCS NA) would have been invited. I see no reason why Demuslim is excluded from the 16 NA invites, he's different from the last 8 in that he already lives in America. And he is significantly better than some of the NA players who got invites.
Demuslim should definitely have gotten a seed over guys like IdrA, Suppy, and others like Hellokitty, Minigun, theognis Capoch, Maker.
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No Demuslim wtf...probably the best player in NA besides Scarlett. Whoever decided about these invites, doesn't know shit.
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poor demu... absolutely shunned by whomever decided the invite list :/ probably the second best player in NA right now and that's by an absolute clear margin!
Getting the impression that whoever decided on the invites doesn't actually watch a lot of sc2 ><
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lol theres a lot of invites to lesser players while there are way more people that should've been invited
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On April 12 2013 00:21 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 23:46 Hollandrock wrote:On April 11 2013 23:38 smashlloyd20 wrote:
For all the relentless Demuslim fans: this is why he didn't get a seed. He's not from America and he's not in the top 8 of non Americans in WCS America.
Also Lowely missing from EU is a travesty. He has every possible qualification to get in. Feast probably should be in there but most of his recent success has come from tournaments that Blizzard probably didn't look at (ATC, etc.). Agreed on Lowely, but completely disagree on the point with DeMuslim. If you watched his stream recently, you would be able to see that he very, very clearly is in the top 8 in America. He's been almost even with Polt in TvT, destroying gowswer and stephano very consistently in TvZ and seeing that his micro is what he self-assesses to be his best aspect of his play, his TvP is obviously very good as this is heavily micro-based. There is absolutely no justification for the majority of the players on that list being selected over DeMuslim. Fortunately, I think he will be good enough to come through the 'Korean' qualifiers - but the fact that he has to in the first place is just a joke. 16 invites are probably based on results of WCS NA. The extra 8 are: Ryung,HerO,Violet,Polt,mOOnGLaDe,Sen,NesTea,Snute Which of these players has been beforming worse than DeMuslim in recent tourneys?
moonglade? Though I love moonglade and don't wanna say anything bad about him haha, he's been amazing on sotg.
I think the issue is that eg wasn't told how people were picked, and i they were demuslim woulda choose EU and gotten in i think.
Edit: And as for people saying hes not NA he should be in EU etc. He's lived in the US for a while now, and has stated numourous times he plans to live in the us at the eg lair.
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On April 12 2013 00:27 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 00:21 rename wrote:On April 11 2013 23:46 Hollandrock wrote:On April 11 2013 23:38 smashlloyd20 wrote:
For all the relentless Demuslim fans: this is why he didn't get a seed. He's not from America and he's not in the top 8 of non Americans in WCS America.
Also Lowely missing from EU is a travesty. He has every possible qualification to get in. Feast probably should be in there but most of his recent success has come from tournaments that Blizzard probably didn't look at (ATC, etc.). Agreed on Lowely, but completely disagree on the point with DeMuslim. If you watched his stream recently, you would be able to see that he very, very clearly is in the top 8 in America. He's been almost even with Polt in TvT, destroying gowswer and stephano very consistently in TvZ and seeing that his micro is what he self-assesses to be his best aspect of his play, his TvP is obviously very good as this is heavily micro-based. There is absolutely no justification for the majority of the players on that list being selected over DeMuslim. Fortunately, I think he will be good enough to come through the 'Korean' qualifiers - but the fact that he has to in the first place is just a joke. 16 invites are probably based on results of WCS NA. The extra 8 are: Ryung,HerO,Violet,Polt,mOOnGLaDe,Sen,NesTea,Snute Which of these players has been beforming worse than DeMuslim in recent tourneys? The first 16 are definitely not based on WCS NA, otherwise Ostojiy(who got 7th at WCS NA) would have been invited. I see no reason why Demuslim is excluded from the 16 NA invites, he's different from the last 8 in that he already lives in America. And he is significantly better than some of the NA players who got invites. Demuslim should definitely have gotten a seed over guys like IdrA, Suppy, and others like Hellokitty, Minigun, theognis Capoch, Maker.
Quote from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407158 :
"16 of the 24 invites are going to North Americans, the remaining 8 invitations are going to people who are not North American. That could be both Europeans and Koreans. The last 8 spots are coming from online qualifiers. That's your 32 for this season."
The system seems reasonable, and a nice middleground between all-qualifiers and 32 NA people. Most of NA list is equivalent of WCS results - maybe Ostojiy turned his invite down or they checked his HoTS ladder results ( he is not even in top200 masters in NA ladder currently ).
Anyway since DeMuslim is from EU you should focus on his results compared to the other 8 non-NA invites.
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On April 12 2013 00:44 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 00:21 rename wrote:On April 11 2013 23:46 Hollandrock wrote:On April 11 2013 23:38 smashlloyd20 wrote:
For all the relentless Demuslim fans: this is why he didn't get a seed. He's not from America and he's not in the top 8 of non Americans in WCS America.
Also Lowely missing from EU is a travesty. He has every possible qualification to get in. Feast probably should be in there but most of his recent success has come from tournaments that Blizzard probably didn't look at (ATC, etc.). Agreed on Lowely, but completely disagree on the point with DeMuslim. If you watched his stream recently, you would be able to see that he very, very clearly is in the top 8 in America. He's been almost even with Polt in TvT, destroying gowswer and stephano very consistently in TvZ and seeing that his micro is what he self-assesses to be his best aspect of his play, his TvP is obviously very good as this is heavily micro-based. There is absolutely no justification for the majority of the players on that list being selected over DeMuslim. Fortunately, I think he will be good enough to come through the 'Korean' qualifiers - but the fact that he has to in the first place is just a joke. 16 invites are probably based on results of WCS NA. The extra 8 are: Ryung,HerO,Violet,Polt,mOOnGLaDe,Sen,NesTea,Snute Which of these players has been beforming worse than DeMuslim in recent tourneys? moonglade? Though I love moonglade and don't wanna say anything bad about him haha, he's been amazing on sotg. I think the issue is that eg wasn't told how people were picked, and i they were demuslim woulda choose EU and gotten in i think. Edit: And as for people saying hes not NA he should be in EU etc. He's lived in the US for a while now, and has stated numourous times he plans to live in the us at the eg lair.
moonglade is picked because he is best SEA and so he gets an invite for sure ... easiest invite next to sen for usa 8 non us players,
only question is gantzi i think over demuslim ...
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To count Demuslim as a non NA-player is pretty dumb, because he's been living in the US for about one year or so
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EPT
