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On March 16 2013 18:52 JustPassingBy wrote:
Flash vs Bly was really a nice series, but am I the only one who felt uncomfortable with the extremely biased casting. They stressed every good move of Bly and pointed out how hard it is to execute or how great his decision was, yet whenever Flash did something good, it seems like nothing noteworthy. Now I can understand that a matchup like this might be casted biased, but that is outright disrespectful to all the hard work Flash has put in to achieve the level of skill he was demonstrating yesterday.
edit: apart from that, the show was great. Though as a european watching it at 5am, I wish they would keep the delays down. what are the doing with all their experience and budget anyways.
You think they were biased against Flash and not hyping him enough? Really?
We must have watched two different series, the casting in conjunction with the Flash fanboys in the LR thread almost managed to get me annoyed.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
Mah boy [LR]jjakji doing us proud.
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MLG is much better at not being out right biased like all the European tournaments.
I can't listen to Khaldor or any European caster other than Apollo when its Foreigner v Korean.
Most dreamhacks have casters cheering for foreigner players.
Too many casters in eSports are too vocal about their preferences and show their bias.
I'm a Protoss caster so I like Protoss players, and since I'm European/American I am going to be cheering for them during my casts.
Can't they just be objective about the play and give good insights?
Again saying MLG is much better at this than most other tournaments. (Maybe bit too much Flash cocksucking).
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On March 16 2013 18:46 Evil_Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:13 stylz wrote:On March 16 2013 17:08 Evil_Sheep wrote:
The arrival of Kespa en masse to sc2 is the nail in the coffin for any foreign hopes in the future. The dismal state of zerg in hots and the fact that most top foreigners are zerg is just kicking dirt on the grave. Stephano should be able to reach the quarters but he'll be all alone. The reason there are so many 'top foreign zergs' is simply because they are zerg. Where do you think the term patch zerg comes from? Trolls. Show nested quote +Also how do you conclude that zerg is in a dismal state? The game just came out. David Kim stated just the other day that globally the game is looking very balanced. It's common knowledge zerg are the weakest race, even top korean protosses and terrans have admitted in interviews zerg is too weak. And in that same interview you mention, David Kim also said widow mines are too strong and will probably be nerfed, along with possibly void rays. In any case I wasn't looking to start a balance discussion, it's simply a fact that zergs are weak in hots currently and that a large number of foreign pros are zerg, a fact which was very beneficial in 2012 but so far in HotS is the complete opposite.
HotS will be the death of most of those patch-zergs. No more hiding behind infestor broodlord, there's going to be actual skill needed to play Zerg.
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half my excitement for this tournament was removed by the fact its single elim. I wouldnt have even turned up since some of the foreigners are coming in from korea just to play agaisnt life and there are a few other games that will have a devasting sweep in favour of the korean player. I just think double elim helps storylines so much.
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On March 16 2013 18:30 Seporo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:13 stylz wrote:On March 16 2013 17:08 Evil_Sheep wrote:
The arrival of Kespa en masse to sc2 is the nail in the coffin for any foreign hopes in the future. The dismal state of zerg in hots and the fact that most top foreigners are zerg is just kicking dirt on the grave. Stephano should be able to reach the quarters but he'll be all alone. The reason there are so many 'top foreign zergs' is simply because they are zerg. Where do you think the term patch zerg comes from? Also how do you conclude that zerg is in a dismal state? The game just came out. David Kim stated just the other day that globally the game is looking very balanced. If David Kim said it, it must be true. Just like when they say LAN is not needed, or discussion channels are too 2002.
LAN still isn't needed though
Would be nice, but it hasn't been necessary so far.
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Jjakji vs Leenock..it must happen..
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On March 16 2013 22:01 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:52 JustPassingBy wrote:
Flash vs Bly was really a nice series, but am I the only one who felt uncomfortable with the extremely biased casting. They stressed every good move of Bly and pointed out how hard it is to execute or how great his decision was, yet whenever Flash did something good, it seems like nothing noteworthy. Now I can understand that a matchup like this might be casted biased, but that is outright disrespectful to all the hard work Flash has put in to achieve the level of skill he was demonstrating yesterday.
edit: apart from that, the show was great. Though as a european watching it at 5am, I wish they would keep the delays down. what are the doing with all their experience and budget anyways. You think they were biased against Flash and not hyping him enough? Really? We must have watched two different series, the casting in conjunction with the Flash fanboys in the LR thread almost managed to get me annoyed.
Flash is known for producing caster bias.
Algonside every possible action known to humankind
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Was so happy for Jjakji to pull it off even if I knew that he was doing pretty damn well in the beta under 3 different accounts 
The win against MKP was just so simply done, "oh you are doing the exact same thing again? I guess I do the same thing as I did earlier to beat you again then"
MKP looked so lost.
On March 16 2013 23:05 Cattlecruiser wrote:MLG is much better at not being out right biased like all the European tournaments. I can't listen to Khaldor or any European caster other than Apollo when its Foreigner v Korean. Most dreamhacks have casters cheering for foreigner players. Too many casters in eSports are too vocal about their preferences and show their bias. I'm a Protoss caster so I like Protoss players, and since I'm European/American I am going to be cheering for them during my casts. Can't they just be objective about the play and give good insights? Again saying MLG is much better at this than most other tournaments.
Every foreigner caster is biased towards the foreigner, they ALL suffer from it.
And I find it really surprising that you didn't find Day9 or Husky to be really biased, since I can't remember who was down 80 supply against a korean but there was still hope. (3sec later he gg)
I find Day9, TB and Khaldor to be the ones that suffers from it the most.
But with Day9 it's actually hard to listen to him cast, the others at least acknowledge the opponent.
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On March 16 2013 18:52 JustPassingBy wrote:
Flash vs Bly was really a nice series, but am I the only one who felt uncomfortable with the extremely biased casting. They stressed every good move of Bly and pointed out how hard it is to execute or how great his decision was, yet whenever Flash did something good, it seems like nothing noteworthy. Now I can understand that a matchup like this might be casted biased, but that is outright disrespectful to all the hard work Flash has put in to achieve the level of skill he was demonstrating yesterday.
'Bly is equal with flash and that means flash is ahead'
I just watched this and I can see where you're coming from but they spent just as much time talking about how perfect Flash is, how he can keep units alive forever, his unit control is immaculate etc. Even when Bly was killing his reapers they were talking about Flash's perfect micro.
They had to chat up Bly a bit when he was 2-0 down to keep the audience interested.
The thing that annoys me is the 'he's well known for some skill or another', I don't think it should matter. I could understand after a game, 'he's well known for his excellent micro and he's just shown us why' but in the middle of a game while he's microing, if you aren't saying 'LOOK AT THAT MICRO' then what does it matter if he's well known for it or not?
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Canada16217 Posts
On March 16 2013 23:05 Cattlecruiser wrote:MLG is much better at not being out right biased like all the European tournaments. I can't listen to Khaldor or any European caster other than Apollo when its Foreigner v Korean. Most dreamhacks have casters cheering for foreigner players. Too many casters in eSports are too vocal about their preferences and show their bias. I'm a Protoss caster so I like Protoss players, and since I'm European/American I am going to be cheering for them during my casts. Can't they just be objective about the play and give good insights? Again saying MLG is much better at this than most other tournaments.
When you have favorites it's hard not to get genuinely excited, after all they are fans just like you and me. I don't think it's a bad thing either, showing your passion for the game/player/race is awesome.
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On March 16 2013 18:46 Evil_Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:13 stylz wrote:On March 16 2013 17:08 Evil_Sheep wrote:
The arrival of Kespa en masse to sc2 is the nail in the coffin for any foreign hopes in the future. The dismal state of zerg in hots and the fact that most top foreigners are zerg is just kicking dirt on the grave. Stephano should be able to reach the quarters but he'll be all alone. The reason there are so many 'top foreign zergs' is simply because they are zerg. Where do you think the term patch zerg comes from? Trolls. Show nested quote +Also how do you conclude that zerg is in a dismal state? The game just came out. David Kim stated just the other day that globally the game is looking very balanced. It's common knowledge zerg are the weakest race, even top korean protosses and terrans have admitted in interviews zerg is too weak. And in that same interview you mention, David Kim also said widow mines are too strong and will probably be nerfed, along with possibly void rays. In any case I wasn't looking to start a balance discussion, it's simply a fact that zergs are weak in hots currently and that a large number of foreign pros are zerg, a fact which was very beneficial in 2012 but so far in HotS is the complete opposite.
Korean Terrans and Protoss also said Infestors are no issue and that Zerg is weak. And not many changes in that direction were needed to make Zerg overpowered. Zerg will always have a slower start, due to their design and the Zerg players are not really helping with being stubborn when it comes to changing things up and like to be carried by the wind. (Rumors and balance changes, latest example the rumor that the Hydra speed upgrade changed the way Hydras work, which is only true if you have a horrible creep spread and overlord control)
But I have no worries with HotS. WoL got messed up by this situation, but Blizzard learned alot from this. Let us see if they do it right this time. Because HotS looks exactly like WoL release to me with missing amulet.
Hope today people won't jinx the matches, by saying "uh 2 Koreans this will be a good fight."
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So happy for jjakji he has had alot of time to practice up and get good, im hoping he can pull out a win
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On March 16 2013 18:52 JustPassingBy wrote:
Flash vs Bly was really a nice series, but am I the only one who felt uncomfortable with the extremely biased casting. They stressed every good move of Bly and pointed out how hard it is to execute or how great his decision was, yet whenever Flash did something good, it seems like nothing noteworthy. Now I can understand that a matchup like this might be casted biased, but that is outright disrespectful to all the hard work Flash has put in to achieve the level of skill he was demonstrating yesterday.
edit: apart from that, the show was great. Though as a european watching it at 5am, I wish they would keep the delays down. what are the doing with all their experience and budget anyways.
They treat the person who is playing vs Flash like the special kid who just entered the 4th quarter of a basketball game. Every time he touches the ball its an accomplishment, and if he shoots and scores...hold onto your butts. It does get a little ridiculous =\
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God I love Marineking, but I hate being a Marineking fan sometimes...
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Parting isn't an elephant.
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United States10595 Posts
im so glad i tuned into games 3-4 for flash vs bly after playing LoL during games 1-2 xD
good job to bly for keeping the series interesting! :D
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