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ManaBlue
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Canada10458 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-05 13:59:00
May 05 2006 13:56 GMT
#1
      We’re going to do something a little different for these reports. Based on some suggestions from Saro I’ve changed the format and implemented the ManaBlue Game Rating System. Each game will be given a score out of 5 BlueManas using criteria that is arbitrary, ever changing, and solely based on my opinions. Sound good? Great, then let’s start.

      Let’s begin with the 2 washes of the day:

Goodfriend vs IntoTheRainbow
Rush Hour


      This game started out looking like a pubby LT game on East with GF at 7 o’clock using a 2 fact vult build (with both upgrades) and Rainbow at 3 using a ranged goon/obs build. Rainbow laid down a greedy expansion as 2 goons guarded his ramp and GF built a Starport for dropship harass. Rainbow protected his main from the potential drop with a group of goons as GF’s dropship roamed around the map without any units in it.

      Using his opponents lack of units and poor positioning to his advantage, GF brought 3 tanks and a marine from his main along with the vultures he opened with and attacked the expansion as he suicided the empty dropship into goons at the main mineral line. After mining up the expansion area and engaging siege mode, GF melted Rainbow’s entire army with 3 tanks. GG (<- Of course, I’m using the phrase loosely)

GF > Rainbow

      I really don’t understand why Protoss players continue to expand so early on this map. Losing repeatedly in 8 minutes makes each successive user of these build orders look like more of a pylon than the one before him. Pusan -> Stork -> Rainbow -> Who’s next?

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      1 and a half BlueManas for this sorry performance. The only highlight I saw was the appearance of a certain crimson haired sexy beast in the crowd.

GoRush vs Nal_Rock
Peaks of Baekdu


      GoRush (@ 7) opened with a 9 pool and Rock (@ 1) opened with a gate/core build. With good building placement, Rock was able to block the double ramp entrance to his base with 2 zealots…which would have been really cleaver if he hadn’t lost it to GoRush’s 10 lings. So Rock had 1 fresh zealot to replace the 3 that died, 2 lings running around in his base, and a secret hatchery building on the high-ground overseeing his main mineral line.

      Things were bad for Rock. He was losing probes to ling harass, couldn’t even afford to tech past his fancy core as he had to pull probes off of gas, and had more lings pouring into his base since he didn’t have the zealot numbers to block the choke point anymore… or so it seemed. Whether it was a gross misuse of units on GoRush’s part, brilliant micro from Rock, or more likely something in between, GoRush lost every single ling to 3 zealots and clumps of probes. From there Rock just had to block his choke point from more harassing lings and go out with small lot forces to kill the proxy hatch over his min-line and the oddly placed Zerg expansion in the upper left corner of the map.

Nal_Rock > GoRush

      This game had the makings to be fun, but GoRush got cocky and threw his army away at a very inopportune time. He basically gave Rock the game from there. Rock didn’t even play that well. He compromised his choke, got harassed and messed with and was so disoriented near the middle of the game that he forgot he had a core built already and built a second one…then waited for it to finish before building a stargate. He never even needed it, as he won the game with nothing but zealots.


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      1 BlueMana out of 5 if only for the laugh I got staring at Rock’s core as he waited in anticipation for his second one to finish…what a doofus.

Now for the 2 “meh” games of the day:

Casy vs Stay
815


      Casy (11) and Stay (1) both expanded to their naturals early on. Casy built a factory outside his main so he could walk a MnM/Tank force over to the Zerg sunken wall and wipe it out quickly. He succeeded, and went on to kill Stay’s expansion on the 3 o’clock island with a marine drop. From here Casy simply contained Stay in his main and expanded like he played Zerg. Stay made a couple of drop attempts but ultimately he couldn’t damage Casy’s spread out economies. Casy was so mineral rich he was even able to build a Big Game Hunters style turret wall around Stay’s 12 o’clock island.

Casy > Stay

      Although this game was nearly a half an hour long, not much playing needed to be done past the 10 minute mark. Stay played an uninspiring game and got pushed around the whole time.


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      2 BlueManas for this game. Casy looked good, utilizing a tight BO and quite frankly it looked like he came to play that day. Too bad his opponent wasn’t up to it.

Pusan vs Jju
Cultivation Period


      Pusan (12) opened with a forge and 2 cannons for an early expansion while Jju (9) started with a speedling build. One would normally expect the Zerg to take it to the Toss in this situation, breaking through the neutral buildings to poke holes in enemy defences. Well Jju wasn’t in an arty mode that day, so he decided to play it like Ride of Valkaries and expand twice; one at his natural and one at the 6 o’clock nat. Pusan had a mixed bag of units including sairs for scouting, a bunch of lot/goon and a couple templar. By the time he left his base to attack Jju, there were sunkens up at both naturals and lurk/ling defenses. Jju was being a jerk and microing his hydras to pop observers and high templar, which really didn’t seem to matter as Pusan was using virtually no storm and letting his templar go astray often. Jju worked up to ultra/ling and ran over Pusan’s final attempt at an army.

Jju > Pusan

      Pusan played like he was asleep. With a DT drop so ineffective it didn’t warrant inclusion in the report and lack of attention to HTs that was nothing short of frustrating to watch, this man continues to disappoint against Zerg opponents. It’s a rough time to be Pusan right now.

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      2 BlueManas out of 5 as a pat on the back for Jju’s conventional and solid play.

Finally, the 2 gems of the game day:

Yellow[Name] vs iloveoov
815


      Oov started out at 11 with his typical obscenely early expansion CC near the ramp at his main. Yellow[Name] spawned at 1 and intended to hit Oov hard and early with a one base muta build. His first 5 mutas came at the 7 minute mark and he concentrated his attacks at Oov’s raxes, killing new marines as they were trained. Oov was just starting to build turrets and lost his natural to zerglings once Yellow[Name] killed all of his remaining marines with some nice hit and run muta micro.

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Yellow[Name] shows the control of his namesake as he picks off marines and SCVs


      The game was over, but Oov doesn’t like to lose, so he defended with nothing and refused to die for another 10 minutes. Typical cheater Terran. He must’ve been waiting for his hacks to kick in or something.

Yellow[Name] > Oov

      This game was over as quickly as many of the weak games, but it was very well played on Yellow[Names] part. His one base muta build is something that is hard to pull off and was clearly specifically designed to dismantle Oov’s typical early expansion style. It showed thought and strategy, which is rare for a Zerg player and was well executed with some smooth micro.


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      3 BlueManas for this game I was going to give it 4, but I’m imposing a penalty point for the winners lame ass name. GET YOUR OWN IDENTITY YOU CLONE! [Name] clan has got to be the sorriest concept for a clan ever…faceless jerks.

Yellow (The Real One) vs Stork
Peaks of Baekdu


      Yellow (1) opened with a 9 pool build while Stork (7) used similar building placement to Nal_Rock to hold his choke point with a couple zealots, which allowed him to tech to core. Yellow expanded to his natural and built a spire, but before it could finish Stork was in the Zerg base with a Reaver and 2 lots. By the time Yellow finally built some Mutas and killed the drop force, he had lost a considerable amount of drones and Stork was very well defended from air attack by goons and cannons.

      Here’s where it gets interesting…Yellow disconnected!

      They were forced to play a rematch.

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Are you freaking kidding me?!?! It's hard enough to beat Zergs as it is you jerks!


Game 2!

      The players switch places in this new match (Yellow @ 7, Stork @ 1) but something very important does not change…their build orders! Both players open the game the exact same way, with Yellow expanding into Muta and Stork going for a reaver drop. However, Stork altered his build slightly by building an additional goon and a starport before his first reaver. Yellow was also able to sneak some lings by Storks zealots which allowed him to scout the robo and disrupt probe mining a little bit. These little things turned out to be cumulatively significant, however. Stork’s drop came much later than it did in the first game and his reaver and shuttle were killed with only one drone kill to show for it.

      Yellow had an impressive drone count going while Stork poked around the map with a fleet of corsairs. Yellow’s Muta/Scourge army danced with Stork’s sairs as both players expanded; Stork to his natural and Yellow to the bottom right corner of the map. Yellow had some success in killing probes at the Protoss natural with his sexy micro and also deflected a reaver drop attempt, so he decided to giver and attack with his now impressively sized hydra/ling army.

      It was reaver/cannon/sair against ling/hydra/muta/scourge in an epic battle. Stork did a great job microing probes and his near dead shuttle to maximize the life of his reavers and defended against the first wave of units. Unfortunately, hydralisk reinforcements proved to be too much and he was forced to concede.

Yellow > Stork

      Poor Stork. Poor poor poor poor Stork. He got the shaft today seeing as his build was great and he played it beautifully in the first game. This showed great preparation. The regame added an X factor to the game and Stork threw off his mojo with little modifications to his build that slowed things down. Stork really deserved to walk away with this one.


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      3 and a half BlueManas out of LAME for Yellow’s disconnect that robbed Stork of his win. You can bet some tech kid at OGN got fired for that one.

      Well that’s it for the 24 man tournament. If you missed Mani's report on the Friday games that happened after these ones it can be found here.

      For an excellent recap of the 24 man tournament, wildcards and qualifiers for the 16 man tournament see jkillashark's Results and Standings thread here.

      Of course, many of you are thinking, "24 man what? Wildcard who? 16 man in the what now?" and for you Mani slaved over this fine report outlining the whole thing. With all these tournaments and increased numbers of games it's harder to keep track of things than ever before, so take some time to read the articles that these fine individuals have prepared for you and be sure to make a post showing your gratitude if you found their work helpful.
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
NeO)PhOeNiX
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada250 Posts
May 05 2006 13:57 GMT
#2
nice report
SC1: B_Saint[LighT]
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
May 05 2006 14:02 GMT
#3
i give this report 4 bluemanas out of 5
UMS map pack http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50442
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
May 05 2006 14:04 GMT
#4
Haha
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
May 05 2006 14:08 GMT
#5
On May 05 2006 23:02 Locked wrote:
i give this report 4 bluemanas out of 5

haha
good report
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
dt408sc02
Profile Joined March 2006
United States5 Posts
May 05 2006 14:20 GMT
#6
Yellow happened to disconnect right after he got reaver dropped. Coincidence?

I think not.
CyuntiyuL
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada1740 Posts
May 05 2006 14:32 GMT
#7
Man, that sucks. I could have had more liquibet pts if Yellow didn't disc hack.

Cute system, manablue. =] 2 thumbs up, looking forward to more in the future.
secret base
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27151 Posts
May 05 2006 14:33 GMT
#8
Mana, that was an awsome report, I love the ranking keep up the good work sir!


On May 05 2006 23:20 dt408sc02 wrote:
Yellow happened to disconnect right after he got reaver dropped. Coincidence?

I think not.


Yeah actually he disced after that. Yeah and he cant intentionally do this. Yeah and you have posted the same think 3 times now.

Yeah stop it please.
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Raider
Profile Joined April 2006
61 Posts
May 05 2006 14:53 GMT
#9
What I don't get is why neither of the zergs went for the lurker on cliff strat. GoRush went for the hatch on cliff, which should have been just as good if he hadn't lost all his lings. All he needed to do was pull lings out to the top of the cliff and defend hatchery while he made sunks there...
Vo-
Profile Joined November 2004
United States435 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-05 15:48:30
May 05 2006 15:46 GMT
#10
I just got liquibet fucked.

Edit:

Hong Jin Ho Fighting~!
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
May 05 2006 17:12 GMT
#11
On May 05 2006 23:02 Locked wrote:
i give this report 4 bluemanas out of 5


word, ty manablue~
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Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
May 05 2006 17:32 GMT
#12
What I don't get is why neither of the zergs went for the lurker on cliff strat.


Pusan was killed by lurkers. Yellow didn't go lurkers to counter reaver.
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
May 05 2006 18:05 GMT
#13
Haha thanks ManaBlue. This report was money, I liked the Manablues ranking system.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
CruiseR
Profile Joined November 2004
Poland4014 Posts
May 05 2006 18:13 GMT
#14
starleague becomes like u.s east : (ear)hackers, disconnectors, etc.

xd
Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
May 05 2006 20:21 GMT
#15
So I am the only one who thought Stork was fucked in the first game? He did lose his reaver and shuttle, and he did not do as much damage as some of you think. A handful of drones, nothing that couldn't be easily replaced, and yellows 3rd base just popped and he was ready to contain the toss to his one base. He would have lost just as badly as in the second game.
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
May 05 2006 21:41 GMT
#16
On May 06 2006 05:21 Luhh wrote:
So I am the only one who thought Stork was fucked in the first game? He did lose his reaver and shuttle, and he did not do as much damage as some of you think. A handful of drones, nothing that couldn't be easily replaced, and yellows 3rd base just popped and he was ready to contain the toss to his one base. He would have lost just as badly as in the second game.


He got over 10 drones, which is good enough usually.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
May 05 2006 21:49 GMT
#17
fucking nice

i love the diablo 2 rating system~
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
May 05 2006 22:03 GMT
#18
On May 06 2006 05:21 Luhh wrote:
So I am the only one who thought Stork was fucked in the first game? He did lose his reaver and shuttle, and he did not do as much damage as some of you think. A handful of drones, nothing that couldn't be easily replaced, and yellows 3rd base just popped and he was ready to contain the toss to his one base. He would have lost just as badly as in the second game.

Noone can't say for sure that Stork would win if Yell0w was not disconnected. But it's obvious that Stork was in much more disadvantageous in the 2nd game after his build order was revealed in the first game..
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
May 05 2006 22:13 GMT
#19
I didn't think Pusan was bad. He had a large army floating around the center controlling the map, and only really lost it that one battle at Jju's nat (it was atleast even prior to that point). I'd like to think Jju is just a giant lump of awesomeness, and THAT'S why Pusan lost.
Trucy Wright is hot
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2923 Posts
May 05 2006 22:23 GMT
#20
hah

bluemanas maybe you should use the small potions as 0.5, or edit the full mana potions in such a way that it's only half full
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2923 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-05 22:40:01
May 05 2006 22:34 GMT
#21
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:p
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
BrutalMenace
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1237 Posts
May 05 2006 23:39 GMT
#22
very nice manablue good read!
ChoZenYuan
Profile Joined April 2006
Korea (South)47 Posts
May 06 2006 02:38 GMT
#23
Gr8 Work Mana.
I just lost some more liquibet points.
And Yellow needs a new [Name], gj over Oov though.
Arcanis
Profile Joined April 2006
Croatia117 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-06 03:32:30
May 06 2006 03:31 GMT
#24
gogo... old school OSL
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
May 06 2006 04:19 GMT
#25
manablue, you rule
Live it, love it, play it, kill it. JulyZerg and IPXZerg greatest TL.net fan
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
May 06 2006 05:34 GMT
#26
On May 06 2006 05:21 Luhh wrote:
So I am the only one who thought Stork was fucked in the first game? He did lose his reaver and shuttle, and he did not do as much damage as some of you think. A handful of drones, nothing that couldn't be easily replaced, and yellows 3rd base just popped and he was ready to contain the toss to his one base. He would have lost just as badly as in the second game.


For some reason I had also thought yellow was at an advantage against stork the first game.
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
May 06 2006 07:06 GMT
#27
lol @ stork
Teamliquidian townie
TserHossHiBreed
Profile Joined May 2005
Algeria87 Posts
May 06 2006 07:18 GMT
#28
lol. spicy comments mike, you're gonna get yourself alot of enemies ^^
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
May 06 2006 10:29 GMT
#29
Thanks for the comments everyone.

On May 06 2006 07:34 Smorrie wrote:
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:p


Haha, I'm totally stealing that for next time. Thanks Smorrie. Haha.
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-06 10:37:56
May 06 2006 10:36 GMT
#30
On May 06 2006 07:13 Purind wrote:
I didn't think Pusan was bad. He had a large army floating around the center controlling the map, and only really lost it that one battle at Jju's nat (it was atleast even prior to that point). I'd like to think Jju is just a giant lump of awesomeness, and THAT'S why Pusan lost.


I know you're a Pusan fan Sushi but I can't let up on him. Based on what I've seen, Pusan has been playing like crap against everyone that isn't a Terran for pretty much forever, and coming back from his 3rd seed win from the last OSL he can't even beat Terrans now.

Yes, Jju is a monster ZvP and he played very well (which I mentioned if you noticed ) but Pusan is playing terribly lately and I won't make excuses for him.

I'm very impressed with Stork, in contrast. The kid is winning games and even when he loses he looks really good. Solid play and well executed starategies. I expect he'll do well in this tournament.
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
May 06 2006 11:29 GMT
#31
Pffft, I'm not even that big a Pusan fan (I am a Jju fan though, so your statement would make sense if you changed the name).
The only monstrous games we've seen from him in OSL were his games against Casy, probably not the best TvPer out there. He cheesed his way past Midas into a seed. Yes, his PvT has looked monstrous at times. Yes, it is disappointing to see him play merely OK PvZ after claiming that it's his best MU, and right after some monstrous PvT wins. Now, I don't even know what I'm trying to say Go Jju
Trucy Wright is hot
TserHossHiBreed
Profile Joined May 2005
Algeria87 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-06 16:16:43
May 06 2006 16:16 GMT
#32
hi carlos

oh and mike why didnt you simply make the half-manablues small potions...
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-07 05:58:19
May 07 2006 02:43 GMT
#33
I really gotta disagree on your Pusan assesment Sushi. Jju is great, but Pusan is playing like crap. I hate his lack of HT control. It's really frustrating to watch.

Mat, I'm going to use Smorries half full ones...he did put the effort in after all.
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dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
May 07 2006 11:12 GMT
#34
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
May 07 2006 13:53 GMT
#35
Ummm.... I guess it was just my Jju bias, making the game seem much closer than it really was (getting worried when Pusan was not totally raped within 2 minutes)
Trucy Wright is hot
Aiur
Profile Joined November 2002
Sweden138 Posts
May 07 2006 16:37 GMT
#36
nice manablue. btw you have turned out to be a pretty good liquid newsposter, looking forward to more from ya. Looked very clean except the lack of half potions
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
May 07 2006 22:22 GMT
#37
Very very nice Mana! I knew you'd make something of yourself some day.

BTW, the oov vs Yellow[name] game.... I was cracking up just thinking to myself, oov is the cockiest bastard in the world.

That game was one thing, and one thing only. Oov having a total lack of respect for his opponent.

Uber fast expo, playing minimalist without scouting, scouting late anyways, and his scout never even bothered going up the ramp, he was searching for an assumed fast expo to the min-only nat. Total, total disdain for his opponent. And that's why I love oov. The cockiest motherfucker you will ever see.
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Canada10458 Posts
May 08 2006 02:29 GMT
#38
On May 07 2006 20:12 dronebabo wrote:
i remember some program that hack creator dt made.. it could let u play a game from a point in a replay by saving the game and loading it.. couldnt they use that to replay by starting from where yellow disc'd?


It's technically possible, but there are so many psychological factors involved in a game that it doesn't really work. This same debate was had at length during the Testie/Breakdown KOTH disc fiasco.

On May 08 2006 07:22 EvilTeletubby wrote:
And that's why I love oov. The cockiest motherfucker you will ever see.


My thoughts exactly. Oov is the David Lee Roth of StarCraft.
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Canada2175 Posts
May 10 2006 15:34 GMT
#39
speaking of an intentful disconnect it wouldn't have to be yellow. it could be the producers or whatnot. for some reason.
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Sweden5891 Posts
May 11 2006 07:43 GMT
#40
Great post! I like those manabottles
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Canada423 Posts
May 15 2006 18:54 GMT
#41
On May 06 2006 19:29 ManaBlue wrote:
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Haha, I'm totally stealing that for next time. Thanks Smorrie. Haha.


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