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by: Fionn
The GSL is back! The world's toughest, most prestigious StarCraft II league kicks off the new year with the no-holds barred death match otherwise known as the Up and Downs, where the twelve final Code S spots will be given to the worthy. This is the line between Code S and Code A, stardom and anonymity, heaven and purgatory. We've never seen a player take a game off in the Up/Downs while they still have a Code S spot on the line, and it routinely gives us some of the most nerve-wracking, emotionally charged games in StarCraft II. What a great way to start the season.
The MVP Protoss isn't in this position because he is necessarily bad, but more because this group is stacked from top to bottom. Having taken over the role that Ensnare, Virus and Suhosin passed on of being that guy in Code S that continually makes it into Code S while people think he isn't good enough, Vampire has proven to be a solid, but nothing special Protoss the past couple of months. He got dispatched quite easily in last season's Ro32, and he will need to show a lot of improvement if he has any hope of even taking a wild card spot from this group. However, you have to remember that even Virus put together one great, MC-impeaching, Nestea-slaying Ro16 run that season he where everything was clicking, which goes to show that the skill gap at this level is narrower than you might think.
Putting Jaedong in the second to last spot is sure to anger fangirls and fanboys, but the Brood War legend just hasn't been that great since making his transition to Starcraft 2. The only match-up that he is Code S level in currently, ZvZ, will be of absolutely no help to him in this group, seeing as he'll be facing three Protoss and two Terran. His ZvT is hovering around 40%, which is already pretty bad, but his ZvP is even worse, as he's lost his nine last games against Protoss in Korea and having an abysmal 34% in the match-up.
There is no doubt that Jaedong could turn it on and steamroll this group, but name value alone can't make him one of the favorites in this group. Even before the switch from Brood War to Starcraft 2 occurred, Jaedong was lagging behind players like Soulkey, Zero, and other Zergs who were all showing better play. Jaedong is now in a team house with strong Protoss players and he can try to fix his ZvP with the help of JYP and Hero. But with the quality of players he'll have to face in this group, a crash session with his Protoss housemates might not be enough, especially with Proleague to prepare for as well. We might see a lot of sad Korean girls walking out of the GOM studios before the night is done.
Once called the best player on LG-IM by Mvp, we're still waiting on Yoda's huge breakout season. He made it to the Ro16 a season ago, but couldn't get any farther after being paired up against Hyun and Hack. He is a solid player all around and is particularly strong in TvT, so that should give him an edge over one of the better players of the group, Flash, who has shown the much trouble in the mirror match-up. Yoda has proven through last season's Ro16 appearance that he shouldn't be at the bottom of the pack, but with three straight series losses and not the most consistent track record before last season, we can't say for sure he'll be able to beat the three monsters ahead of him.
Truth be told, MC hasn't been all that great recently. He has been one of the best players in Starcraft 2 since the game released, but his foreign results haven't been very impressive of late, and he hasn't done much in the GSL since getting steamrolled by now Code B player Seed in the third finals of 2012. If we're looking at simply recent results, Yoda should be ahead of MC, but the president-in-exile has a long history of getting it done when people are counting him out. When he seems as his absolute weakest and most figured out, he will put on a performance that makes you feel stupid for betting against a guy who has won the most money in the game's history. At the moment he seems completely figured out, is not in good condition, and should finish outside the top three, but every single time he's been in this position before, he's snapped out of it and destroyed his opposition.
Flash and Jaedong might have been rivals in Brood War, but they've had different starts to their SC2 careers. Jaedong has had a somewhat lackluster beginning, but Flash has done amazingly at the two foreign events he attended, been a rock for KT in Proleague, and has just played better overall than Jaedong. He still has a weak spot in the match-up of TvT, only having a 40% win rate, but that won't be the death of him with only one other Terran in the group. His TvZ and especially his TvP have been great of late, and he'll have three Protoss that he can face off against on the night.
He still isn't one of the best players in the world, but we can confidently say that he is at least a mid-tier Code S player with the results he has shown across the board. His TvT will need to improve a lot for him to be a contender for a Code S championship any time soon, but with the track record Flash has, we wouldn't put it past him to excel in the mirror match-up before too long. Flash might not be the young fifteen year old prodigy he was five years ago, but at the age of 20, The Man Known as God still has lots of years to master this new game.
I'm pretty sure Artosis already has his speech ready when Yonghwa wins the first Code S title of 2013, but he still needs to get through this group first to even make it into the dance. Nobody is going to question Yonghwa's talent, but he still is known as the guy who choked a thousand times in Code B and was never able to make it into Code A. In any other Code A bracket, he more than likely would have made it into Code S directly, but Yonghwa got paired up with Life in the third stage and witnessed how scary he can be when he's at the top of his game (Yonghwa didn't even try to play Life straight-up, cheesing, and losing, two straight games). Now dropped into the Up and Down groups because of his loss to the Startale ace, Yonghwa will get to show us if he can handle the Up and Downs in his first go.
Strong in all three match-ups, Yonghwa will only have to worry about the unpredictably of PvP. His PvZ, besides his match against Life, has been top notch of late, and he has a 65% win rate against Terran that will be tough for Yoda and Flash to handle. There are a lot of factors that could drop Yonghwa out of the top three in this group, but he really should make it into Code S by the time the week is done, barring a huge mental block. There are a lot of big names in this group, but Yonghwa might be the one that ends the night stealing the headlines from the proven stars.
As desirable a Leessang victory to Code S is, it's unreasonable. Flash I see getting out almost guaranteed, second place probably Yonghwa, if not then it'd be YoDa or MC.
On January 06 2013 07:47 Cipher32 wrote: I agree with this, I expect Flash and Yonghwa to advance rather easily. both MC and JD are on the brink but just aren't there yet.
JD, okay, but with MC, what do you mean by "yet"? The guy has been one of the best SC2 players of all time for a while now. It's not that he's not there yet, he's just not there right now maybe.
I'm betting on YoDa getting out in second place, but otherwise I agree with everything. Granted I haven't seen a Flash v P since he played an incredibly lackluster macro game vs NaNi, but I'll give him faith. Unlike everyone here who seems to be huffing paint thinking JaeDong is a favorite, Flash has genuinely impressed me with his progress, so I'm not 100% locked on my YoDa bet
With all the Terran balance complaints, it took the 2013 Code S Players box to remind me that protoss is way worse off. I guess Protoss whining, and Protoss being underpowered is so common that we tend to overlook it.
I don't feel worthy enough to watch and yet life would never be the same if I missed it. I suppose I will enjoy it and worry about being worthy later.
Edit: The bit about MC is so true, I love it when people realize how many times people have doubted him and he has proven them wrong. I just wish I could be there both for the games and to console all the sad JD/Flash fangirls.
Jaedong's ranking is a joke. MC said in an interview he lost like 30 practice games in a row to Jaedong a month ago. And Jaedong is quite likely favored against Yoda.
On January 06 2013 09:11 Grumbels wrote: Jaedong's ranking is a joke. MC said in an interview he lost like 30 practice games in a row to Jaedong a month ago. And Jaedong is quite likely favored against Yoda.
You beat me to this post...Jaedong, flash and Yonghwa should be top 3, with flash being number 1 imo.
On January 06 2013 09:20 Dodgin wrote: It's really funny to read these posts about flash and then you go to his TLPD page and he's like 57th in ELO and a 54% winrate.
Fantasy is 22nd in ELO with a 70% winrate, 81% in TvT while Flash's TvT winrate is 42%. Yet Fantasy gets 1/4 of the hype.
Fantasy also beat time the last time they met (if not 2 times).
On January 06 2013 09:20 Dodgin wrote: It's really funny to read these posts about flash and then you go to his TLPD page and he's like 57th in ELO and a 54% winrate.
Fantasy is 22nd in ELO with a 70% winrate, 81% in TvT while Flash's TvT winrate is 42%. Yet Fantasy gets 1/4 of the hype.
On January 06 2013 09:20 Dodgin wrote: It's really funny to read these posts about flash and then you go to his TLPD page and he's like 57th in ELO and a 54% winrate.
Fantasy is 22nd in ELO with a 70% winrate, 81% in TvT while Flash's TvT winrate is 42%. Yet Fantasy gets 1/4 of the hype.
I disagree with having JD so low purely because he possibly got the best map draw of any of the players in any of the up/down groups to the point where I expect him to advance.
On January 06 2013 09:11 Grumbels wrote: Jaedong's ranking is a joke. MC said in an interview he lost like 30 practice games in a row to Jaedong a month ago. And Jaedong is quite likely favored against Yoda.
I watched JD's stream a few times and his PvZ is terrible, for every 10 immortal-sentry all in, he held 0.5 And Yoda beat DRG at IPL (with cheese). Wouldn't be surprised to see JD falling for the same thing here
On January 06 2013 09:11 Grumbels wrote: Jaedong's ranking is a joke. MC said in an interview he lost like 30 practice games in a row to Jaedong a month ago. And Jaedong is quite likely favored against Yoda.
I watched JD's stream a few times and his PvZ is terrible, for every 10 immortal-sentry all in, he held 0.5 And Yoda beat DRG at IPL (with cheese). Wouldn't be surprised to see JD falling for the same thing here
i really agree that JD isn't the most amazing player right now, but he is still pretty decent. i would place him one or two spots higher. We will see how he does though
I don't think MC will make it out. Best he'll do is probably 3rd. I also feel like Yonghwa is still overrated. If I'm proven wrong, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
On January 06 2013 10:36 Elite_ wrote: The last time YongHwa was in a group stage he got smacked around by foreigners... MC and Flash will advance IMO.
Jaedong is no Lowely, Yonghwa will be fine.
I had Yonghwa 1st, Yoda 2nd and Flash 3rd, but that depends on who wins the TvT. If Flash can beat Yoda, I think he'll advance.
Jaedong would have been 5-2 in proleague had he not missed the Nydus worm. I'm quite confident he'll do better than fifth place. The protoss players in this group are not so strong except for Yonghwa. (and he might be overrated)
On January 06 2013 09:11 Grumbels wrote: Jaedong's ranking is a joke. MC said in an interview he lost like 30 practice games in a row to Jaedong a month ago. And Jaedong is quite likely favored against Yoda.
I watched JD's stream a few times and his PvZ is terrible, for every 10 immortal-sentry all in, he held 0.5 And Yoda beat DRG at IPL (with cheese). Wouldn't be surprised to see JD falling for the same thing here
you're calling 2 fact no-medivac timings cheese?
even all-in is more appropriate there
Actually, I didn't watch the games, but people were saying it was 2rax, so I believed, since Yoda is (supposedly) not as good as DRG lol
I really hope MC comes into this in classic form. It would be sick to see him come in and show everyone their place. :D
Either way, I am expecting some high level Starcraft from the ultimate legends of Brood War, the highest earning SC2 player , and some high level mainstays; what more could one want?
On January 06 2013 09:20 Dodgin wrote: It's really funny to read these posts about flash and then you go to his TLPD page and he's like 57th in ELO and a 54% winrate.
Fantasy is 22nd in ELO with a 70% winrate, 81% in TvT while Flash's TvT winrate is 42%. Yet Fantasy gets 1/4 of the hype.
Fantasy also beat time the last time they met (if not 2 times).
damn, Fantasy is so good he can beat time itself :O
really hoping for MC to show everybody up. but Yonghwa and Yoda are also awesome. and i'd be fine with Flash advancing if it wasn't for everybody jizzing on their monitors every time he wins a game.
YongHwa and Yoda will finally release their potentials this season in the GSL. it will be beautiful. no code s for the rest of the group, you can take that to the bank!
On January 06 2013 09:20 Dodgin wrote: It's really funny to read these posts about flash and then you go to his TLPD page and he's like 57th in ELO and a 54% winrate.
Fantasy is 22nd in ELO with a 70% winrate, 81% in TvT while Flash's TvT winrate is 42%. Yet Fantasy gets 1/4 of the hype.
It's because Flash was God. Everybody knows that, but what people don't know is that in the last year or so of Broodwar Fantasy (whom I've always thought has more raw talent) finally became the God-Killer. Unfortunately he was not able to break through and win an OSL, so he (rightly) will never be considered one of the Broodwar greats, despite being the best player at the end.
So then you come to Starcraft 2 which has a lot of people who didn't really follow broodwar. They know mostly about Flash, the game's last Bonjwa and Jaedong who would have been the last Zerg bonjwa if it weren't for Flash.
Fantasy is my favourite player (and the captain of my fantasy Pro League side), but considering his best period was after the release of Starcraft 2, it's not surprising that most people don't know too much about him. He's going to win the 1st GSL of the year though .
Not only will you see sad Korean girls leaving the studio, I will be absolutely horrible to be around at school if my dear Jaedong doesn't do well. This is a very interesting group I can't wait to see it
LOL, mid-tier code S? wouldn't that mean he actually had been in code S? Also foreign tournaments.... didn't Alicia get two seconds at foreign tournaments... We all know he is not code S. I thought places like TL would have less fanboy bandwagon BS than this...
On January 06 2013 23:49 MysterySC wrote: LOL, mid-tier code S? wouldn't that mean he actually had been in code S? Also foreign tournaments.... didn't Alicia get two seconds at foreign tournaments... We all know he is not code S. I thought places like TL would have less fanboy bandwagon BS than this...
Alicia was Code S... in 2011... Also some Koreans get less nervous at foreign tournaments because they couldn't care less about their results there compared to how important the GSL is in Korea.
Also, Flash tied for 2nd place in the exact same way last season... tying with two players, but losing to them. Therefore placing 4th overall. It's just a matter of time before he gets Code S... Or with terrible bracket luck, gets knocked out of Code A.
Worst day for predictions ever : - YongHwa completely failed to live to the expectations - Flash won his TvT, lost his some of his other matchups - MC is back in decent shape - YoDa is more than decent
On January 07 2013 02:34 govie wrote: im putting my money on a miracle with jeadong on 1, and flash on 2, yoda on 3. Dunno why, guess because it's flash and jeadong
Did you realise that the group was already played out? :D
On January 07 2013 10:30 thesums wrote: man, why are they allowed to seed someone? stephano better get top 8 at least, i hate seeds
Because seeds allow people, not constantly living in Korea, to participate on Code S. You cannot play hole code A season while living in NA or EU.
Anonther important point is the EU and NA communitiy. Same like Proleague: Foreigners (or Foreigner-Teams) provide Korean tournaments with foreign viewers...