According to the graphic, HSC VI will be held in Morocco or Algeria.
I. Story of the Swarm.
You can tell exactly what HSC impresario Take was thinking when you look at the race representation in this tournament. Heck, you don't even need to look at this tournament, just take a look at one of the last tournaments he arranged. Zergs are dominating the European scene, Terrans are getting marginalized, and viewers are getting bored. Taking into account three qualifier spots that would likely go to Zergs, the invitations consisted of eight Zergs, nine Terrans, and twelve Protosses, and even that's modest compared to what would probably have happened if players like Lucifron or ThorZaIN had declared their interest.
But will it actually work? That's dubious. The strongest players in the tournament are probably Stephano and Symbol, and none of the other players are really known as Zerg-killers, with not even MKP and MC have showing much prowess against Zerg in the later half of the year. The way it looks now, HSC should be able to placate the viewers for the first three days of the tournament, but some luck will be needed to avoid a swarm-fest in the final day.
II. MMA's Return.
With all that unfortunate business with SlayerS and Jessica behind him, the search for a new team concluded, and a place to live and practice found, MMA is free for the first time in months to focus solely on StarCraft II. Will we see the return of the MMA of old, a player who could call himself the best in the world?
Obviously, just as it was with IPL5, HomeStoryCup VI comes too early for us to really make any judgments about MMA. It's been barely a month since he sorted all those things out, and he'll need more time to really turn things around after his dramatic decline.
Even so, waiting is for people with patience, and that's not something StarCraft fans have in abundance. We can't help but eagerly look at HSC6 as the stage for MMA's glorious return, and failing that, at least hope it yields signs that MMA's revival is coming along faster than expected. A Ro4 or finals appearance would get the "he's back" bandwagon going in fourth gear. And if he wins it all, that will be the only thing we'll hear for a week.
III. The Future of Foreign Hope.
Stephano and Scarlett have received the lion's share of the spotlight as top foreigners, but there's plenty of other worthy players who are taking up the cause of foreign hope. In the latter half of 2013, a handful of players have really come into their own. In particular, Monchi, Snute, and BabyKnight will be players to keep an eye out for at HSC6.
Snute and BabyKnight were players who were doing well in online tournaments for quite a while, but only really took off in live tournaments more recently. More so than their actual finishes, the impressive thing about their pair might be their exploits against Koreans in recent tourneys, with Snute taking out GSL champ Life at IPL5, and BabyKnight defeating players like Polt, TheStC, and Rain during WCS and Lone Star Clash.
Of the three, Monchi is the most "out of nowhere" player, surprising everyone by winning IeSF 2012, notably defeating Squirtle in the Ro8. He followed that with a top four run at DreamHack Winter, and then won the EPS winter final. There are sure to be a few hipster fans out there who will say they saw this coming way back when monchi took down Mvp in HomeStory Cup V, and they should now reveal themselves for well deserved pats on the back.
IV. So You Think You Can Cast?
HomeStory is many things at once: a serious tournament, a place for players to chill, a rare reason for anyone to ever visit Krefeld. On top of these things, it's also a place for professional gamers to showcase their ability to cast games, and the pseudo-open casting booth at HSC has even convinced quite a few viewers that professional casters will never match the quality offered by actual pro-gamers.
Plenty of the big hits from the past, Grubby, the MC-MKP-Reis trio, NightEnD, HasuObs, Socke, MoMaN, etc. will be in attendance, and they're sure to deliver the goods again. At the same time, it will be fun to see who steps up this time as the next great caster/entertainer. Take has already pointed out Fuzer to be quite the funny guy, and some of the other HSC first-timers could show their hidden depths. Appearances and in-game play are deceiving as to what someone is like on the mic, and hopefully there will be some pleasant surprises.
V. Fan Favorite All-Stars.
While we like to pretend we prefer fair competition and open qualifiers 95% of the year, we're totally okay with the occasional HomeStory Cup and its thirty-one invite spots. Compared to the insanity that was HSC3 (IdrA, MC, HuK, NaNiwa, ThorZaIN, and White-Ra all at peak popularity), no HomeStory will be able to compare, but #6 still features a pretty impressive line-up.
The headliners are Grubby, White-Ra, DIMAGA, Stephano, MC, MKP, MMA, and TLO, with whom you could already hold a pretty ridiculous eight-man invitational. On top of that you have national stars from various European countries, and some underrated pros who are favorites among elitists, making sure there's someone for everyone to root for.
The unique thing about this particular line-up of all stars is that they might actually do pretty well. Too often in StarCraft, the most popular players aren't the most successful players, but at HSC6, some of the stronger players also happen to be the ones that have the most support. Grubby and Stephano really stand out on the foreigner side in that regard, while MKP, MC, and MMA are some of the best supported Korean players out there.
VI. Korea vs. World
At the heart of any international touranment is the eternal conflict, the one that divides, frustrates, and ultimately drives this scene: Korea vs. everyone. Like any other tournament, HSC is stuck with the paradox of "No one likes Koreans" vs. "No one will take us seriously without Koreans," and thus it will host the imposing but not overwhemling line-up of MarineKing, MC, MMA, and Symbol. It's a great line-up in terms of name value, but they're not the best performing Koreans of the moment, and they appear to be beatable. Then again, a lot of Korean line-ups at foreign tournaments have seemed that way beforehand, only to wipe the floor with foreigners and collect that foreign currency.
In comparison, the international side isn't anywhere near full strength either, but critically, they've retained Stephano for this clash. He's had MC's number in all their recent clashes, and given MMA and MKP's recent woes against Zerg, he should be favored against them as well. And while some of the bigger names like Vortix, Nerchio and Scarlett aren't present, players like BabyKnight, Snute, Grubby, MaNa, Kas, etc. have all had some recent success against Koreans, and should be able to pack a formidable punch. Last, but not least, you have to take into account that it does happen to be twenty-eight to four.
Ro32 Day 1 Preview
by Waxangel
The four day spectacle begins with the first four groups of the Ro32. Here's a highly professional preview:
Without a Zerg opponent to give Stephano pause in his weak match-up, this group should be a race to second place between Feast, Socke, and GoOdy. While Stephano's been known to get intoxicated from time to time, this is the first group of the first day of the tournament, so we should be seeing a relatively intact Stephano here. Still, even a 100% Stephano does occasionally take an upset loss to well-executed two or three-base all-in play from a European Protoss (SaSe and MaNa say hi), so Feast and Socke might have a chance at taking Stephano down, despite never having beaten him in a TLPD recorded series thus far.
On that note, we bring you the most amusing stat of the group: GoOdy is 6 – 7 against Stephano all time. In fact, he even won their last meeting at Battle in Berlin. To this day, we're not entirely sure how that happened, but the world is a better place because of it. GoOdy fans, feel free to ignore the cries of "but that was over a year ago!" coming from the Stephano fans, and make sure to remind everyone that the Panzer General has the Frenchman's number.
As the only one in this group to have won a major title (multiple ones, at that), MaNa quickly sticks out as the favorite to take first place. Recently, he's even finding the consistency that eluded him for most of 2012, stringing together some good finishes in the final quarter of the year at DH Bucharest, ESWC, and DH Winter.
Even so, this still looks to be a competitive group, with ToD, a recently teamless player who should have more motivation than anyone as he seeks to impress a potential employer, ClouD, the outspoken Terran who recently put his career to the test, and TLO, the Liquid Zerg who is finally starting to see the results of his training in Korea.
Of course, all of this is just minor details surrounding the true highlight of this group: The TLO vs. Cloud Grudge match. Tensions were sparked earlier this year when ClouD called out TLO as a player who was bad at the game (10:30), yet a proposed showmatch never materialized. Instead, both players were left to take shots at each other on twitter, with neither side able to replace words with actions. Thankfully, a lucky 'coincidence' has finally seen these two face off in a meaningful tournament, where we will see who gets to call who 'horrible' after all.
The biggest background story in group C would have to be the rise of BabyKnight and the fall of Ret. Six months ago their positions in this group would be reversed, with Ret looking like the favorite to top the group as one of the best non-Korean players, while BabyKnight would be pegged to give it a good fight, but ultimately be eliminated. WCS Europe marks the point where their fortunes crossed, with BabyKnight going on to impress at the WCS World Finals and MLG Dallas, while Ret was eliminated in Stockholm and has only bottom table finishes to show since. For BabyKnight, HSC is a tournament where he'll look to continue his ascent, while Ret will have to look to stop the bleeding.
Joining them is HasuObs, who for better or for worse, hasn't been subject to that kind of fluctuation. HasuObs is one of Germany's best and always a reliable performer, but might be steady to a fault – he's never gotten hot and put together a championship run to define his SC2 career. Now that he's taking on more casting gigs, that goal seems further away. But hey, if Grubby can runner-up at IEM Singapore, then there's some hope for a future player-caster-champion yet.
Finally there's Fuzer, a Terran who's been around for a while but might be most known for bringing some allegedly nasty business at the Ministry of Win house to light. Fuzer got his rent back, but he might have gotten something more valuable out of it as well, that oh-so-hard to attain commodity for any pro-gamer: some goddamn publicity.
On the face of it, you'd expect the guy who has won the most money in SC2 and the Zerg one of the fastest rising European players to go through. However, the picture might be more complicated than it seems at first glance. Tarrantius comes in off winning the EU qualifier, and really, you should be afraid of the guys at invitationals who had to beat a ton of people beforehand to even be there. You know who won the Iron Squid II qualifier? ST_Life. Okay, so maybe Tarrantius isn't quite as good as the GSL and MLG champion, but it doesn't hurt to throw a little hype at the newcomer. Then there's Naama, a player who's a bit disproporionately known just for his all-ins, but since he seems to embrace it, I guess everything's alright. If you're somehow unfamiliar with him, this is a pretty good one game introduction.
Strangely enough, it might be MC, and not Snute, who gets snuck up on by the underdogs of the group. MC's been awfully shaky lately, with poor results at IEM Singapore, IPL5, and MLG Fall (where he didn't win any prize money, in shocking fashion for MC). MC's been upset by European tosses quite a few times in his career, which opens the door for him to go out if he should lose Tarrantius and then to either Snute or Naama as well. Obviously, that would be unlikely, but it's something a few fans might be secretly rooting for. After all, MC does happen to be one of the players who can be moreentertaining, when he's not playing.
The most important for me would be that EVERY ZvP and ZvT will be casted by PROs only. Because the thing that bugs me the most by the current casters is that they simply ignore the zerg power atm. They treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. And if the Zerg player wins, its because the P did major mistakes. Same goes for ZvT. Im sick of that kind of reasoning by the casters.
Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z. Its frusttrating, you just have to make verything perfect.I want PROs to express their feelings about that, talking about how they feel when they play. I dont want to hear for the standard casters "Oh, the Protoss should have attacked EXACTLY at 12:35, then the Zerg was at his weakest". Thats too simple.
MC, MKP and Reis casting trio is really awesome to watch. Seeing MKP and MC stream is so much fan the last couple of days. Can't wait to see them having tons of fun.
Hope they also let us see something from Bling and Stephano doing some drinking games!
Super excited!! Always a fun thing to tune into!! Seems like such a fun event to attend. Thank you to all those behind the scenes,Casters,players,fans and the sponsors for making all of this possible!!
On December 19 2012 04:36 krisss wrote: The most important for me would be that EVERY ZvP and ZvT will be casted by PROs only. Because the thing that bugs me the most by the current casters is that they simply ignore the zerg power atm. They treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. And if the Zerg player wins, its because the P did major mistakes. Same goes for ZvT. Im sick of that kind of reasoning by the casters.
Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z. Its frusttrating, you just have to make verything perfect.I want PROs to express their feelings about that, talking about how they feel when they play. I dont want to hear for the standard casters "Oh, the Protoss should have attacked EXACTLY at 12:35, then the Zerg was at his weakest". Thats too simple.
Am I missing something? I thought all recent statistics suggested ZvP was balanced (even Toss favoured)
I love these, they are always well written and get me hyped. I do however think that we could be better about putting date and time prominently in these previews.
Pretty horrible writeup, especially considering the recent tournaments have been won in the majority by Protoss (as in, 7 of the last 13 major and premier tournaments have been won by protoss).
Maybe comment on how there's a massive protoss representation, protoss are doing incredibly well in tournaments, and each group has nearly 2 protosses in it, meaning endless PvP? Instead we get a few jokes about zerg being op (lol) and how it's all OK because terran isn't underrepresented, even though the current most successful race is massively over-represented.
It would be fine if you remove all the zerg references, because it's pretty tired now, and also currently just plain wrong.
On December 19 2012 04:36 krisss wrote: The most important for me would be that EVERY ZvP and ZvT will be casted by PROs only. Because the thing that bugs me the most by the current casters is that they simply ignore the zerg power atm. They treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. And if the Zerg player wins, its because the P did major mistakes. Same goes for ZvT. Im sick of that kind of reasoning by the casters.
Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z. Its frusttrating, you just have to make verything perfect.I want PROs to express their feelings about that, talking about how they feel when they play. I dont want to hear for the standard casters "Oh, the Protoss should have attacked EXACTLY at 12:35, then the Zerg was at his weakest". Thats too simple.
Am I missing something? I thought all recent statistics suggested ZvP was balanced (even Toss favoured)
If you take out the Immortal-Sentry all-in Zerg is about 70% in the matchup (and Zergs are figuring that build out). That said its more a case of watching the games and seeing dominant Tosses still end up losing to infestor-broodlord.
Part of this is probably form (only Hero and Parting playing well as Toss atm, vs lots of hot Zergs), but the matchup looks imbalanced to many (I still almost always win PvZ tho, parting build ftw).
haven't really watched any of the previous but reading this well done piece i will make a point of tuning in and as a stephone fan myself i will be eargerly looking for his games.
On December 19 2012 04:36 krisss wrote: The most important for me would be that EVERY ZvP and ZvT will be casted by PROs only. Because the thing that bugs me the most by the current casters is that they simply ignore the zerg power atm. They treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. And if the Zerg player wins, its because the P did major mistakes. Same goes for ZvT. Im sick of that kind of reasoning by the casters.
Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z. Its frusttrating, you just have to make verything perfect.I want PROs to express their feelings about that, talking about how they feel when they play. I dont want to hear for the standard casters "Oh, the Protoss should have attacked EXACTLY at 12:35, then the Zerg was at his weakest". Thats too simple.
Am I missing something? I thought all recent statistics suggested ZvP was balanced (even Toss favoured)
wonwonwon all in is what you're thinking of there in ZvP, Parting is something like 70-1 with that BO. Just because win rates are even doesn't mean that the races are in balance.
On December 19 2012 04:36 krisss wrote: The most important for me would be that EVERY ZvP and ZvT will be casted by PROs only. Because the thing that bugs me the most by the current casters is that they simply ignore the zerg power atm. They treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. And if the Zerg player wins, its because the P did major mistakes. Same goes for ZvT. Im sick of that kind of reasoning by the casters.
Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z. Its frusttrating, you just have to make verything perfect.I want PROs to express their feelings about that, talking about how they feel when they play. I dont want to hear for the standard casters "Oh, the Protoss should have attacked EXACTLY at 12:35, then the Zerg was at his weakest". Thats too simple.
relax bro, you seem depressed, and mad at the same time.
On December 19 2012 04:36 krisss wrote: The most important for me would be that EVERY ZvP and ZvT will be casted by PROs only. Because the thing that bugs me the most by the current casters is that they simply ignore the zerg power atm. They treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. And if the Zerg player wins, its because the P did major mistakes. Same goes for ZvT. Im sick of that kind of reasoning by the casters.
Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z. Its frusttrating, you just have to make verything perfect.I want PROs to express their feelings about that, talking about how they feel when they play. I dont want to hear for the standard casters "Oh, the Protoss should have attacked EXACTLY at 12:35, then the Zerg was at his weakest". Thats too simple.
Am I missing something? I thought all recent statistics suggested ZvP was balanced (even Toss favoured)
wonwonwon all in is what you're thinking of there in ZvP, Parting is something like 70-1 with that BO. Just because win rates are even doesn't mean that the races are in balance.
Last 13 tournaments winner by race (premier and major, per liquipedia, 13 because that's November to now). Protoss 7 Zerg 4 Terran 2
Also doesn't mean the races are balanced, but it indicates protoss aren't really struggling to get to the finals of tournaments.
You know who won the Iron Squid II qualifier? ST_Life.
Actually SlayerS`Brown won the KR qualifier 4-1 over Life (both qualified for the tournament but Brown got a couple hundred Euros for his trouble). Tut tut Waxangel!
PS. To be fair to Life he had to switch accounts halfway through because of the law that forbids minors from playing videogames past a certain time in SK, which seems to have affected his play.
On December 19 2012 04:36 krisss wrote: The most important for me would be that EVERY ZvP and ZvT will be casted by PROs only. Because the thing that bugs me the most by the current casters is that they simply ignore the zerg power atm. They treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. And if the Zerg player wins, its because the P did major mistakes. Same goes for ZvT. Im sick of that kind of reasoning by the casters.
Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z. Its frusttrating, you just have to make verything perfect.I want PROs to express their feelings about that, talking about how they feel when they play. I dont want to hear for the standard casters "Oh, the Protoss should have attacked EXACTLY at 12:35, then the Zerg was at his weakest". Thats too simple.
You know who won the Iron Squid II qualifier? ST_Life.
Actually SlayerS`Brown won the KR qualifier 4-1 over Life (both qualified for the tournament but Brown got a couple hundred Euros for his trouble). Tut tut Waxangel!
PS. To be fair to Life he had to switch accounts halfway through because of the law that forbids minors from playing videogames past a certain time in SK, which seems to have affected his play.
Actually, Life won the qualifier for Iron Squid I, not II
On December 19 2012 06:46 Lonyo wrote: Last 13 tournaments winner by race (premier and major, per liquipedia, 13 because that's November to now). Protoss 7 Zerg 4 Terran 2
Also doesn't mean the races are balanced, but it indicates protoss aren't really struggling to get to the finals of tournaments.
You're perhaps right, but in other circumstances (like where the best players play) statistics are a lot different, e.g. the last GSL season, where terrans and protoss won 34% and 39% of their games against zerg. Of course, that's just bad luck and hot zergs, right?
Also none of the protoss winners of premier tournaments you mentioned had to face a Korean zerg in order to win. Actually, only one of the tournaments (Partings BWC win) even contained Korean zergs.
On that note, we bring you the most amusing stat of the group: GoOdy is 6 – 7 against Stephano all time. In fact, he even won their last meeting at Battle in Berlin. To this day, we're not entirely sure how that happened, but the world is a better place because of it. GoOdy fans, feel free to ignore the cries of "but that was over a year ago!" coming from the Stephano fans, and make sure to remind everyone that the Panzer General has the Frenchman's number.
It's easy: GoOdy had one of the best TvZ and Stephano was always bad with his Ling/Ultra vs Mech players. I'm getting annoyed by writters not to acknowledge how good GoOdy was. He was far ahead of most players in a lot of things. He beat Nestea when Koreans where waaaaaay better than foreigners. He had a number on every Zerg in the world as long as it hadnt been Nerchio (or now Hyun). After the queen patch though everything went downhill.
On that note, we bring you the most amusing stat of the group: GoOdy is 6 – 7 against Stephano all time. In fact, he even won their last meeting at Battle in Berlin. To this day, we're not entirely sure how that happened, but the world is a better place because of it. GoOdy fans, feel free to ignore the cries of "but that was over a year ago!" coming from the Stephano fans, and make sure to remind everyone that the Panzer General has the Frenchman's number.
It's easy: GoOdy had one of the best TvZ and Stephano was always bad with his Ling/Ultra vs Mech players. I'm getting annoyed by writters not to acknowledge how good GoOdy was. He was far ahead of most players in a lot of things. He beat Nestea when Koreans where waaaaaay better than foreigners. He had a number on every Zerg in the world as long as it hadnt been Nerchio (or now Hyun). After the queen patch though everything went downhill.
on another note: gogo Carlo smash TLO!
GoOdy with his 25 APM one of the best TvZ in the world? ROFL
You know who won the Iron Squid II qualifier? ST_Life.
Actually SlayerS`Brown won the KR qualifier 4-1 over Life (both qualified for the tournament but Brown got a couple hundred Euros for his trouble). Tut tut Waxangel!
PS. To be fair to Life he had to switch accounts halfway through because of the law that forbids minors from playing videogames past a certain time in SK, which seems to have affected his play.
he won a spot in the tournament, good 'nuff
also Korean gov kicked him offline in one game for being a minor tt
On December 19 2012 04:36 krisss wrote: The most important for me would be that EVERY ZvP and ZvT will be casted by PROs only. Because the thing that bugs me the most by the current casters is that they simply ignore the zerg power atm. They treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. And if the Zerg player wins, its because the P did major mistakes. Same goes for ZvT. Im sick of that kind of reasoning by the casters.
Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z. Its frusttrating, you just have to make verything perfect.I want PROs to express their feelings about that, talking about how they feel when they play. I dont want to hear for the standard casters "Oh, the Protoss should have attacked EXACTLY at 12:35, then the Zerg was at his weakest". Thats too simple.
I get your fustration, but asking a caster to take balance into account is silly. How would it look if the final comment on a GSL final was "Aww MVP played almost perfect, too bad the game is broken and Life won". Pro gamers can whine as much as they like (although mostly it doesn't suit them imo), but casters has to take an objective stance, else your talking away the acknowledgement of the player which is totally unacceptable.
On a more importen note, BABYKNIGHT FIGHTING! You got your group EASILY!
On December 19 2012 04:36 krisss wrote: The most important for me would be that EVERY ZvP and ZvT will be casted by PROs only. Because the thing that bugs me the most by the current casters is that they simply ignore the zerg power atm. They treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. And if the Zerg player wins, its because the P did major mistakes. Same goes for ZvT. Im sick of that kind of reasoning by the casters.
Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z. Its frusttrating, you just have to make verything perfect.I want PROs to express their feelings about that, talking about how they feel when they play. I dont want to hear for the standard casters "Oh, the Protoss should have attacked EXACTLY at 12:35, then the Zerg was at his weakest". Thats too simple.
Am I missing something? I thought all recent statistics suggested ZvP was balanced (even Toss favoured)
If you take out the Immortal-Sentry all-in Zerg is about 70% in the matchup (and Zergs are figuring that build out). That said its more a case of watching the games and seeing dominant Tosses still end up losing to infestor-broodlord.
Part of this is probably form (only Hero and Parting playing well as Toss atm, vs lots of hot Zergs), but the matchup looks imbalanced to many (I still almost always win PvZ tho, parting build ftw).
If you take out games with BL's and/or infestors then it's a 95% win ratio for Toss (I can make things up too)
This tournament will be fun to watch and pro commentary, imo, makes it fun/nier because they are not objective and do point out mistakes as well as complain more than any caster
It's about time anyone gave monchi any credit for his accomplishments. Hell I don't even play protoss and it hurts to see everyone ignoring this guy starting way back when he defeated Mvp.
On December 19 2012 09:07 Tppz! wrote: [ I'm getting annoyed by writters not to acknowledge how good GoOdy was. He was far ahead of most players in a lot of things. He beat Nestea when Koreans where waaaaaay better than foreigners. He had a number on every Zerg in the world as long as it hadnt been Nerchio (or now Hyun). After the queen patch though everything went downhill.
GoOdy with his 25 APM one of the best TvZ in the world? ROFL
THAT`S exactly what he´s talking about. APMfetishists and supplyblockcounters thinking they can make fun of GoOdy who´d wipe the floor with any of them - ok, his results have not been massive lately, but isn´t he even a better player because he delivers despite his...handicaps? it´s a strategygame after all, and not the click-o-lympics. He probably won´t make it too far into the tournament, but with all these people around I wish him even more luck!
On December 19 2012 17:10 herMan wrote: It's about time anyone gave monchi any credit for his accomplishments. Hell I don't even play protoss and it hurts to see everyone ignoring this guy starting way back when he defeated Mvp.
On December 19 2012 04:36 krisss wrote: The most important for me would be that EVERY ZvP and ZvT will be casted by PROs only. Because the thing that bugs me the most by the current casters is that they simply ignore the zerg power atm. They treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. And if the Zerg player wins, its because the P did major mistakes. Same goes for ZvT. Im sick of that kind of reasoning by the casters.
Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z. Its frusttrating, you just have to make verything perfect.I want PROs to express their feelings about that, talking about how they feel when they play. I dont want to hear for the standard casters "Oh, the Protoss should have attacked EXACTLY at 12:35, then the Zerg was at his weakest". Thats too simple.
Am I missing something? I thought all recent statistics suggested ZvP was balanced (even Toss favoured)
Have you heard of the sad zealot club? Protosses are the most enclined whinners of this game. - They win most tournaments (7 of the last 13) but say it's because of some players. - They win more matches versus Zergs overall in most recent statistical analysis but say it is because of some unit or some strategy. - They won the most money out of tournaments this year but they'll say it's because of this or that...
Just look at this thread for example: 1) Someone facing evidence: "You're perhaps right, but in other circumstances ..." by neptunusfisk 2) A lambda whinner: "treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. [...] Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z" by krisss -> facts say no, then : "Just because win rates are even doesn't mean that the races are in balance." by Targe 3) Last but not least: "If you take out the Immortal-Sentry all-in [...] Part of this is probably form (only Hero and Parting playing well as Toss atm, vs lots of hot Zergs), but the matchup looks imbalanced to many (I still almost always win PvZ tho [...]" by althaz ->So, you win more matches, protosses win more matches/money/tournaments overall, but since more people whine about zergs versus protoss than the other way around, the gossip must be right and not the facts. Nice logic! (note: I'm not saying toss is imba)
On that note, we bring you the most amusing stat of the group: GoOdy is 6 – 7 against Stephano all time. In fact, he even won their last meeting at Battle in Berlin. To this day, we're not entirely sure how that happened, but the world is a better place because of it. GoOdy fans, feel free to ignore the cries of "but that was over a year ago!" coming from the Stephano fans, and make sure to remind everyone that the Panzer General has the Frenchman's number.
It's easy: GoOdy had one of the best TvZ and Stephano was always bad with his Ling/Ultra vs Mech players. I'm getting annoyed by writters not to acknowledge how good GoOdy was. He was far ahead of most players in a lot of things. He beat Nestea when Koreans where waaaaaay better than foreigners. He had a number on every Zerg in the world as long as it hadnt been Nerchio (or now Hyun). After the queen patch though everything went downhill.
on another note: gogo Carlo smash TLO!
GoOdy with his 25 APM one of the best TvZ in the world? ROFL
On December 19 2012 04:56 creamyturtle wrote: no USA players
For a good reason, don't know when an American won a tournament the last time
WCS NA :p
Sorry winner was a Canadian ;-)
Edit for opterown- I was nitpicking because creamyturtle mentioned USA specifically. Now i just looked up the tournament results on liquipedia for actual US wins.. ouchies.
it's pretty ironic that we (germans) cant see the stream of a tournament hosted in germany in HD quality. twitch only allows creditcards (not common in germany) and paypal, later does not work for ages. we just cant subscripe to the channel. i hope dennis did not count on too much subsciptions from germans in his calculation.
On December 19 2012 21:53 furo wrote: it's pretty ironic that we (germans) cant see the stream of a tournament hosted in germany in HD quality. twitch only allows creditcards (not common in germany) and paypal, later does not work for ages. we just cant subscripe to the channel. i hope dennis did not count on too much subsciptions from germans in his calculation.
I've only ever used paypal with twitch, it worked instantly for me with EG-TL proleague last week.
On December 19 2012 21:53 furo wrote: it's pretty ironic that we (germans) cant see the stream of a tournament hosted in germany in HD quality. twitch only allows creditcards (not common in germany) and paypal, later does not work for ages. we just cant subscripe to the channel. i hope dennis did not count on too much subsciptions from germans in his calculation.
I've only ever used paypal with twitch, it worked instantly for me with EG-TL proleague last week.
On December 19 2012 21:53 furo wrote: it's pretty ironic that we (germans) cant see the stream of a tournament hosted in germany in HD quality. twitch only allows creditcards (not common in germany) and paypal, later does not work for ages. we just cant subscripe to the channel. i hope dennis did not count on too much subsciptions from germans in his calculation.
I've only ever used paypal with twitch, it worked instantly for me with EG-TL proleague last week.
i have no problem with it eather usually. as i said, i cant use it for a german tournament, which is pretty silly since it seems to work for ppl outside of germany.
On December 19 2012 18:51 Thurken wrote: 1) Someone facing evidence: "You're perhaps right, but in other circumstances ..." by neptunusfisk 2) A lambda whinner: "treat every ZvP like its 50% win chance for everyone. [...] Fact is that at the moment its incredibly hard for P and T to beat Z" by krisss -> facts say no, then : "Just because win rates are even doesn't mean that the races are in balance." by Targe 3) Last but not least: "If you take out the Immortal-Sentry all-in [...] Part of this is probably form (only Hero and Parting playing well as Toss atm, vs lots of hot Zergs), but the matchup looks imbalanced to many (I still almost always win PvZ tho [...]" by althaz ->So, you win more matches, protosses win more matches/money/tournaments overall, but since more people whine about zergs versus protoss than the other way around, the gossip must be right and not the facts. Nice logic! (note: I'm not saying toss is imba)
You are horrible at the Hitler style "quote only the parts that I want to" rhetorics.
I mean.. did you even read my post? I made a clear case as though why "him being correct" wasn't very noteworthy or useful for the discussion, as he basically said "hey, a protoss won a few tournaments with zero zergs in them, how can it be imbalanced??".
EPT
EG.Stephano.RC, 
ESC.GoOdy, 
Mill.Feast, 
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