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[GSTL] Prime vs. Fnatic RC: Elimination Match

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[GSTL] Prime vs. Fnatic RC: Elimination Match

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November 1st, 2012 20:11 GMT


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Prelude
Things could get ugly


Prime vs. FnaticRC
Preview


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Things could get ugly



By just taking a glance at this match, you have to cringe a little. Prime might have lost (Z)BBoongBBoong, their only Zerg who has ever done anything substantial in SC2, but still have a strong foursome of Byun, MarineKing, Creator, and Maru. All four have become established names in the GSL, and MarineKing and Creator have both shown in the past they have what it takes to carry a team in the GSTL. The lack of Zerg might hinder them later on in the tournament if they have to face a more stacked squad, but it might not matter in tonight's match.

Taking a quick glance at Fnatic RaidCall, you can see that they're in a lot of trouble. It might have been not that bad if Oz, their best in-form player at the moment, with a finals appearance in the MvP Invitational and quarterfinal finish in the OSL, had decided to waive off MLG and play for his team in the GSTL. Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen. He's already been seeded into the top 24 group play with a decent shot at winning $25,000, and thus his team has been left to fend off elimination without him.

Since Oz is gone, who is even left on the Fnatic roster? Let's take a quick look:


Prime

Fnatic RaidCall



by Fionn


The Rosters:


Fnatic RC

(Z)J: The pro-gamer formerly known as Luvsic, now known as simply J, will be the starter for Fnatic tonight against Prime, having to go up against Byun. To be fair to him, he did recently qualify for Iron Squid, and that's a pretty impressive feat due to the top Korean players who tried to qualify. But then you actually look at his GS(T)L record, and he's 6-19.

...HE'S SIX AND NINETEEN. He has five straight GSTL losses (three from this season), and his only win was over a year ago against F.United's Soccer. More than likely he is another one of these practice bonjwas who do amazingly behind closed doors and in online tournaments, but bomb when the pressure is actually on. A loss tonight and he will fall down to a abysmal 6-20 record, but a win against Byun could turn his fortune around. Maybe? Hopefully?

(Z)ByuL: He had that amazing four-kill against LG-IM a season ago, but we are slowly leaning towards the word "patchzerg" instead of believing Byul is on his way to becoming a GSL mainstay. Symbol all-killed LG-IM and then went on to be in two straight Code S Ro8's and recently qualified for another Ro16. Byul got a four-kill against LG-IM, is still stuck in Code B, and is 2 - 6 in his last eight GSTL games, only being able to defeat sculp and Tassadar from the 9th place NS HoSeo team.

(Z)Moon: Maybe the greatest player in WC3, Moon showed life in SC2 last season. Similar to his teammate Byul, Moon hit a three-kill in Fnatic's meeting with Prime last season, beating even Byun and MarineKing. Sadly, even though Moon is a fan favorite and a legend, his good form might revolve all around the queen patch that happened during that time. Since those three kills against Prime, he has lost five straight GSTL games against a member of all three races.

(T)Rain: No, not the Protoss Rain who forfeited his Code S spot to go to America, but the Terran Rain who forfeited his Code S spot to go to America. Rain has been one of the only bright spots for Fnatic in the last few months. Known mostly as the guy who likes to cheese a lot and was the person MC beat in his first GSL finals, Rain has had a bit of a resurgence lately. With an above .500 record this season in GSTL, he has a 3-2 score against his opponents. They might not have been the toughest opposition, Brave and Salvation being B-teamers forced to be A-teamers due to departures in the HoSeo line-up, and Sirius coming off the bench for FXO, but wins are wins, right? For Fnatic to have any chance against Prime, Rain is going to need to pull a win or two out of his hat.

(T)aLive: After dropping TSL for a new team a few months ago, it looked like Alive was on the verge on becoming Korea's next great Terran. He won IPL4, got to the semifinals of Code S, and was on a roll. Now he's out of Code S with a mediocre performance in the Up/Downs, and he isn't doing any better in foreign tournaments, going a disastrous 2-4 in his NASL division. He's talked about how he has been too lax on Fnatic, and it shows. Looking over at his old team, TSL now has three players in the Ro16 of Code S, and Fnatic only has one player, Alive, in Code A this season. It's interesting to think that in an alternate timeline, aLive could be backed by, or even be the one backing three Code S level Zergs on the same team, but the reality is that is going to have to carry Moon, J, Departure, and Byul tonight.

With a 2 - 2 record this season, Alive has been decent in the team league, but when looking at the rest of the roster, especially without Oz, he needs to be more than just decent. Like it or not, this is Alive's team, and he is their ace. For them to advance onto to the Ro6, he needs to act like an ace and pull his team through a tough patch. He might cross his fingers and hope J can roll off a three-kill out of nowhere, but more than likely, for Fnatic to stay alive, it's down to aLive to make things happen.


Prime:

(P)Creator. (T)MarineKing. (T)ByuN. (T)MaruPrime.

If they lose tonight and get eliminated from GSTL, it'll be one of the bigger upsets in recent memory. They might not all be firing at full blast, but even with a 90% MarineKing and a 90% Creator, wouldn't you take those two over the entire Fnatic roster?


Prediction:

I like Fnatic. I like their uniforms. I like Alive. I like Moon. I even watch J in the GSTL hoping he can pull off a victory finally after a year drought. But at the end of the day, the team is not built to win GSTL. TSL can get by with their 1 Terran/1,000 Zerg approach because their one Terran, Polt, has been playing up to his standard lately, and their Zergs are Symbol (back to back Code S quarter-finals), Hyun (Ro16 Code S), Shine (has barely missed out on Code S two straight seasons), and others like Revival, Ragnarok, and Mamuri who are able to pitch in with a win here and there on occasion. Replace them with Zergs who haven't made it past the first round of Code A in 2012, and you can't expect to have that kind of success.

Everything in the universe is saying Prime should win. Even zombie Slayers, who are officially hanging their mice up tomorrow in one last send off match against MVP, have a better chance of winning than Fnatic do against Prime. Weird things have happened in GSL over the past two years, but nothing that weird.


Prime 5 - 1 Fnatic







Writers: Fionn.
Graphics: Pathy.
Editor: Waxangel.
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Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
November 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#2
"Since Oz is gone, who is even left on the Fnatic loser?"

I think there's a small typo there.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 20:22:23
November 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#3
Yup, this writeup makes sense to me. That's okay though, I was rooting for Prime anyway.
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
November 01 2012 21:06 GMT
#4
I am hoping that Moon hits a hot streak, but that being said I am not holding my breath.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 01 2012 21:07 GMT
#5
Well Fnatic is kinda weak but if they bring their a game it could turn into a great match :D
And lots of terrans is always a good thing
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Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
November 01 2012 21:10 GMT
#6
I'm Just wondering could someone explain to me where sometimes its like a week between matches for the GSTL even when you spend 40$ for it? I'm going for Prime all the way hopefully MKP will make a showing
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Desiire
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia191 Posts
November 01 2012 21:21 GMT
#7
I am calling the weirdness in that Fnatic wins 5-3.

#AllKingsMustDieButHeIsAGod
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
November 01 2012 21:23 GMT
#8
expect an allkill from prime
can i get my estro logo back pls
JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 21:28:07
November 01 2012 21:27 GMT
#9
On November 02 2012 06:10 Pucca wrote:
I'm Just wondering could someone explain to me where sometimes its like a week between matches for the GSTL even when you spend 40$ for it? I'm going for Prime all the way hopefully MKP will make a showing


Not sure I understand what you're saying, but Gom plays their individual league during weekdays and have GSTL friday and saturday and that's how it's been for a while(always?). So I guess it's like that so they can present fresh SC2 games on a daily basis (sunday not included)!

Edit:
I am rooting for Moon to bring out some hurting!
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
November 01 2012 21:33 GMT
#10
Expecting all kill from ByuL with Prime's team league luck lately
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 01 2012 21:40 GMT
#11
I actually don't think Prime is win, but that might be because my heart always stabs me in the back. I've gotten used to it by now.
Refer to my post.
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
November 01 2012 21:44 GMT
#12
Why is Maru the only one with the Prime tag in the article?

Besides that, Prime 5-3
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SpunXtain03
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia66 Posts
November 01 2012 21:55 GMT
#13
Realistically, Prime would have to mess up very hard to lose this one. Fnatic playing at 110% would still lose to Prime on a reasonable day.

That said, Maru looked awful in his group, Creator has Code S prep to worry about, Byun hasn't been impressive lately, and Marineking is very streaky. It could happen.

Prime 5-0 Fnatic.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 01 2012 22:05 GMT
#14
Thanks for the write up. Unfortunately I concur that we will see a one sided slaughter tomorrow morning.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 01 2012 22:09 GMT
#15
On November 02 2012 06:44 glzElectromaster wrote:
Why is Maru the only one with the Prime tag in the article?

Besides that, Prime 5-3


(Z)Maru
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
November 01 2012 22:21 GMT
#16
Fnatic has this. Moon all-kill incoming!
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 22:46:33
November 01 2012 22:45 GMT
#17
Aww no recap of Startale vs LG-IM ?

Anyway, sad to see Fnatic falling a little bit more behind... Oz and aLive were quite promising a few season ago...

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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 01 2012 22:53 GMT
#18
wait, Prime actually only has 4 players right now? so Fnatic would have to win 'only' 4 games? da fuck?
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 01 2012 22:54 GMT
#19
On November 02 2012 07:53 Schelim wrote:
wait, Prime actually only has 4 players right now? so Fnatic would have to win 'only' 4 games? da fuck?


No, they have B-teamers like Lucy, Aria, etc. Classic will probably be their 5th.
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
November 01 2012 23:05 GMT
#20
Fionn laying down the smack!
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 01 2012 23:20 GMT
#21
On November 02 2012 07:54 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 07:53 Schelim wrote:
wait, Prime actually only has 4 players right now? so Fnatic would have to win 'only' 4 games? da fuck?


No, they have B-teamers like Lucy, Aria, etc. Classic will probably be their 5th.


ah, cool. that should be included in the post imo. right now it looks like they have only 4 players and there's nothing to be said about them except they're better than Fnatic, which seems a bit unfair to both teams.
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Zeroxk
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway1244 Posts
November 02 2012 00:07 GMT
#22
In true GSTL fashion Gerrard turns into Coach Kang and sends out Salmosa, Lucy, Classic, Aria and himself.

Prime still wins
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
November 02 2012 00:07 GMT
#23
I am really hoping Fnatic can pull off an upset.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 02 2012 00:16 GMT
#24
gogogo prime rawr
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SCM.geauxsu
Profile Joined September 2011
United States56 Posts
November 02 2012 00:50 GMT
#25
hmmmmm maybe AriA will get a chance?!?!
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Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 00:58:11
November 02 2012 00:57 GMT
#26
I see ByuL is extremely underrated in this matchup. He did beat MKP recently and does posess a Code S quality ZvT which is required in this.

J < ByuN
Departure < ByuN
ByuL > ByuN
ByuL > Classic
ByuL > Maru
ByuL < Creator
aLive < Creator
Moon < Creator

fnatic 3-5 Prime
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Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
November 02 2012 01:12 GMT
#27
Think it'll be alot closer than people are making it out.

I like Moon's ZvT alot but in typical Moon fashion you don't know on the day if it'll be the Moon who played like the WC3 days or the Moon who plays like he's picked up SC2 for the very first time
189984268
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada299 Posts
November 02 2012 01:17 GMT
#28
5-1?Impossible

Zerg so op
laerteis
Profile Joined August 2012
United States78 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 04:56:07
November 02 2012 04:55 GMT
#29
edit: wrong thread sry! Prime fighting!
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Profile Joined November 2012
Canada1 Post
November 02 2012 06:34 GMT
#30
MKP gave me a mousepad today. GO TEAM PRIME!!! :D
HighdraL1sk
Profile Joined April 2012
United States140 Posts
November 02 2012 08:01 GMT
#31
Prime will prob win but honestly im not that impressed with Prime. Im watching just for the hopes that Moon stomps face.
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Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
November 02 2012 10:33 GMT
#32
O baby Prime has got this, thin roster or not.
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1978 Posts
November 02 2012 12:57 GMT
#33
prime will win
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Wounded31
Profile Joined October 2011
124 Posts
November 05 2012 18:04 GMT
#34
Primr 5 fnatic 2
MKP!
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