• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:37
CEST 22:37
KST 05:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo15Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted J188 – Nhà Cái Cá Cược Trực Tuyến Đẳng Cấp Châu Á Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes?
Tourneys
GSL CK #4 20-21th June Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Battle cruiser feet vs Carrier fleet BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Fact based Zerg Upgrade Tier List vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSLAN 4 is Coming! Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia {D-2} Late to making 20.06.2026 memorable [p]94718
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How To Predict Tilt in Espor…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8502 users

[GSTL] Prime vs. Fnatic RC: Elimination Match

Forum Index > News
33 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 Next All

[GSTL] Prime vs. Fnatic RC: Elimination Match

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics byPathy
November 1st, 2012 20:11 GMT


Table of
Contents





Prelude
Things could get ugly


Prime vs. FnaticRC
Preview


Check out the GSTL on Liquipedia


Things could get ugly



By just taking a glance at this match, you have to cringe a little. Prime might have lost (Z)BBoongBBoong, their only Zerg who has ever done anything substantial in SC2, but still have a strong foursome of Byun, MarineKing, Creator, and Maru. All four have become established names in the GSL, and MarineKing and Creator have both shown in the past they have what it takes to carry a team in the GSTL. The lack of Zerg might hinder them later on in the tournament if they have to face a more stacked squad, but it might not matter in tonight's match.

Taking a quick glance at Fnatic RaidCall, you can see that they're in a lot of trouble. It might have been not that bad if Oz, their best in-form player at the moment, with a finals appearance in the MvP Invitational and quarterfinal finish in the OSL, had decided to waive off MLG and play for his team in the GSTL. Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen. He's already been seeded into the top 24 group play with a decent shot at winning $25,000, and thus his team has been left to fend off elimination without him.

Since Oz is gone, who is even left on the Fnatic roster? Let's take a quick look:


Prime

Fnatic RaidCall



by Fionn


The Rosters:


Fnatic RC

(Z)J: The pro-gamer formerly known as Luvsic, now known as simply J, will be the starter for Fnatic tonight against Prime, having to go up against Byun. To be fair to him, he did recently qualify for Iron Squid, and that's a pretty impressive feat due to the top Korean players who tried to qualify. But then you actually look at his GS(T)L record, and he's 6-19.

...HE'S SIX AND NINETEEN. He has five straight GSTL losses (three from this season), and his only win was over a year ago against F.United's Soccer. More than likely he is another one of these practice bonjwas who do amazingly behind closed doors and in online tournaments, but bomb when the pressure is actually on. A loss tonight and he will fall down to a abysmal 6-20 record, but a win against Byun could turn his fortune around. Maybe? Hopefully?

(Z)ByuL: He had that amazing four-kill against LG-IM a season ago, but we are slowly leaning towards the word "patchzerg" instead of believing Byul is on his way to becoming a GSL mainstay. Symbol all-killed LG-IM and then went on to be in two straight Code S Ro8's and recently qualified for another Ro16. Byul got a four-kill against LG-IM, is still stuck in Code B, and is 2 - 6 in his last eight GSTL games, only being able to defeat sculp and Tassadar from the 9th place NS HoSeo team.

(Z)Moon: Maybe the greatest player in WC3, Moon showed life in SC2 last season. Similar to his teammate Byul, Moon hit a three-kill in Fnatic's meeting with Prime last season, beating even Byun and MarineKing. Sadly, even though Moon is a fan favorite and a legend, his good form might revolve all around the queen patch that happened during that time. Since those three kills against Prime, he has lost five straight GSTL games against a member of all three races.

(T)Rain: No, not the Protoss Rain who forfeited his Code S spot to go to America, but the Terran Rain who forfeited his Code S spot to go to America. Rain has been one of the only bright spots for Fnatic in the last few months. Known mostly as the guy who likes to cheese a lot and was the person MC beat in his first GSL finals, Rain has had a bit of a resurgence lately. With an above .500 record this season in GSTL, he has a 3-2 score against his opponents. They might not have been the toughest opposition, Brave and Salvation being B-teamers forced to be A-teamers due to departures in the HoSeo line-up, and Sirius coming off the bench for FXO, but wins are wins, right? For Fnatic to have any chance against Prime, Rain is going to need to pull a win or two out of his hat.

(T)aLive: After dropping TSL for a new team a few months ago, it looked like Alive was on the verge on becoming Korea's next great Terran. He won IPL4, got to the semifinals of Code S, and was on a roll. Now he's out of Code S with a mediocre performance in the Up/Downs, and he isn't doing any better in foreign tournaments, going a disastrous 2-4 in his NASL division. He's talked about how he has been too lax on Fnatic, and it shows. Looking over at his old team, TSL now has three players in the Ro16 of Code S, and Fnatic only has one player, Alive, in Code A this season. It's interesting to think that in an alternate timeline, aLive could be backed by, or even be the one backing three Code S level Zergs on the same team, but the reality is that is going to have to carry Moon, J, Departure, and Byul tonight.

With a 2 - 2 record this season, Alive has been decent in the team league, but when looking at the rest of the roster, especially without Oz, he needs to be more than just decent. Like it or not, this is Alive's team, and he is their ace. For them to advance onto to the Ro6, he needs to act like an ace and pull his team through a tough patch. He might cross his fingers and hope J can roll off a three-kill out of nowhere, but more than likely, for Fnatic to stay alive, it's down to aLive to make things happen.


Prime:

(P)Creator. (T)MarineKing. (T)ByuN. (T)MaruPrime.

If they lose tonight and get eliminated from GSTL, it'll be one of the bigger upsets in recent memory. They might not all be firing at full blast, but even with a 90% MarineKing and a 90% Creator, wouldn't you take those two over the entire Fnatic roster?


Prediction:

I like Fnatic. I like their uniforms. I like Alive. I like Moon. I even watch J in the GSTL hoping he can pull off a victory finally after a year drought. But at the end of the day, the team is not built to win GSTL. TSL can get by with their 1 Terran/1,000 Zerg approach because their one Terran, Polt, has been playing up to his standard lately, and their Zergs are Symbol (back to back Code S quarter-finals), Hyun (Ro16 Code S), Shine (has barely missed out on Code S two straight seasons), and others like Revival, Ragnarok, and Mamuri who are able to pitch in with a win here and there on occasion. Replace them with Zergs who haven't made it past the first round of Code A in 2012, and you can't expect to have that kind of success.

Everything in the universe is saying Prime should win. Even zombie Slayers, who are officially hanging their mice up tomorrow in one last send off match against MVP, have a better chance of winning than Fnatic do against Prime. Weird things have happened in GSL over the past two years, but nothing that weird.


Prime 5 - 1 Fnatic







Writers: Fionn.
Graphics: Pathy.
Editor: Waxangel.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
November 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#2
"Since Oz is gone, who is even left on the Fnatic loser?"

I think there's a small typo there.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8310 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 20:22:23
November 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#3
Yup, this writeup makes sense to me. That's okay though, I was rooting for Prime anyway.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
November 01 2012 21:06 GMT
#4
I am hoping that Moon hits a hot streak, but that being said I am not holding my breath.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 01 2012 21:07 GMT
#5
Well Fnatic is kinda weak but if they bring their a game it could turn into a great match :D
And lots of terrans is always a good thing
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
November 01 2012 21:10 GMT
#6
I'm Just wondering could someone explain to me where sometimes its like a week between matches for the GSTL even when you spend 40$ for it? I'm going for Prime all the way hopefully MKP will make a showing
Master Chief
Desiire
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia191 Posts
November 01 2012 21:21 GMT
#7
I am calling the weirdness in that Fnatic wins 5-3.

#AllKingsMustDieButHeIsAGod
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
November 01 2012 21:23 GMT
#8
expect an allkill from prime
can i get my estro logo back pls
JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 21:28:07
November 01 2012 21:27 GMT
#9
On November 02 2012 06:10 Pucca wrote:
I'm Just wondering could someone explain to me where sometimes its like a week between matches for the GSTL even when you spend 40$ for it? I'm going for Prime all the way hopefully MKP will make a showing


Not sure I understand what you're saying, but Gom plays their individual league during weekdays and have GSTL friday and saturday and that's how it's been for a while(always?). So I guess it's like that so they can present fresh SC2 games on a daily basis (sunday not included)!

Edit:
I am rooting for Moon to bring out some hurting!
1338, one upping 1337
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
November 01 2012 21:33 GMT
#10
Expecting all kill from ByuL with Prime's team league luck lately
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 01 2012 21:40 GMT
#11
I actually don't think Prime is win, but that might be because my heart always stabs me in the back. I've gotten used to it by now.
Refer to my post.
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
November 01 2012 21:44 GMT
#12
Why is Maru the only one with the Prime tag in the article?

Besides that, Prime 5-3
RIP Kt. Violet | In solitude, where we are least alone
SpunXtain03
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia66 Posts
November 01 2012 21:55 GMT
#13
Realistically, Prime would have to mess up very hard to lose this one. Fnatic playing at 110% would still lose to Prime on a reasonable day.

That said, Maru looked awful in his group, Creator has Code S prep to worry about, Byun hasn't been impressive lately, and Marineking is very streaky. It could happen.

Prime 5-0 Fnatic.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 01 2012 22:05 GMT
#14
Thanks for the write up. Unfortunately I concur that we will see a one sided slaughter tomorrow morning.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 01 2012 22:09 GMT
#15
On November 02 2012 06:44 glzElectromaster wrote:
Why is Maru the only one with the Prime tag in the article?

Besides that, Prime 5-3


(Z)Maru
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
November 01 2012 22:21 GMT
#16
--- Nuked ---
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 22:46:33
November 01 2012 22:45 GMT
#17
Aww no recap of Startale vs LG-IM ?

Anyway, sad to see Fnatic falling a little bit more behind... Oz and aLive were quite promising a few season ago...

LiquipediaWanderer
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 01 2012 22:53 GMT
#18
wait, Prime actually only has 4 players right now? so Fnatic would have to win 'only' 4 games? da fuck?
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 01 2012 22:54 GMT
#19
On November 02 2012 07:53 Schelim wrote:
wait, Prime actually only has 4 players right now? so Fnatic would have to win 'only' 4 games? da fuck?


No, they have B-teamers like Lucy, Aria, etc. Classic will probably be their 5th.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
November 01 2012 23:05 GMT
#20
Fionn laying down the smack!
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
19:00
Group Stage - Day 3
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
ZZZero.O229
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 632
Nathanias 63
Ketroc 48
Livibee 32
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13390
ZZZero.O 229
NaDa 8
League of Legends
Doublelift940
Counter-Strike
fl0m13651
summit1g11198
tarik_tv10981
byalli773
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor227
Other Games
Grubby4188
FrodaN993
PiGStarcraft304
DeMusliM156
Trikslyr51
minikerr11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1043
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 70
• printf 39
• musti20045 17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 6
• Azhi_Dahaki2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra209
Counter-Strike
• C_a_k_e 2646
• Shiphtur181
Other Games
• imaqtpie790
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 23m
WardiTV Spring Champion…
14h 23m
GSL
15h 23m
IPSL
19h 23m
Hawk vs Julia
Patches Events
20h 23m
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
22h 23m
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
1d 3h
WardiTV Weekly
1d 14h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 19h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
Douyu Cup 2020
4 days
Oliveira vs Trap
Jieshi vs XY
soO vs FanTaSy
TY vs Coffee
Douyu Cup 2020
5 days
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
Douyu Cup 2020
6 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-19
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Light HT
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.