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by Waxangel

(P)ROG.elfi vs (Z)AZUBU.viOLet

As with any series involving elfi, this is a must watch for lovers of unpredictability and chaos. There's one series that immediately comes to mind from recent memory, when Elfi took on ST_Life in the TSL4 Ro32 (VODs). As a Korean pro-gamer with a reputation for being great on ladder, Life was considered a vast favorite by the majority of the Starcraft II community, but elfi showed his usual disregard for public opinion by going up 2 – 0. Just one win away from pulling off what would have been the biggest upset in the tournament, elfi proceeded to blow it all with a series of highly entertaining, but seriously backfiring cannon-rushes.

viOLet is a Zerg who is vastly more accomplished than Life in live tournaments, but even he will have to watch out for elfi's low-APM black magic. The two have never met in international competition, but viOLet should at least know of elfi's strange reputation after spending so much time in the foreign scene.

Objectively, it's pretty clear that viOLet is the favorite here, as is typically the case for Elfi's non-Protoss opponents (Elfi has a weird affinity for PvP). Elfi is good at using cheeses or two base all-ins where he doesn't need precision execution or extreme multi-tasking to win; just a good sense of when to wait for a round of reinforcements, good positioning, and the ability to put down force-fields that aren't absolutely horrible. viOLet used to be really susceptible to that sort of play a while ago, but has since then become a far better defensive player. The smart prediction here is to say viOLet will deftly parry Elfi's attacks and proceed to overwhelm him. However, with elfi in the mix, you must be ready to expect the unexpected, and deal with any result.

Prediction: viOLet 3 – 1 elfi


(P)SK_MC vs (T)Empire|Kas

Almost exactly a year ago, MC and Kas faced off in IEM Season Six's Cologne tournament. There, in true MC fashion for the period, MC came out on top by easily cutting up Kas' infantry with force-fields, and then busting through without even needing a robotics bay.

One year later, the level of play has increased vastly. While it's unlikely that we'll see the games play out that way again, both players have retained their defining traits, and the overarching narrative for this match remains the same: The greedy macro Terran Kas against the master all-iner MC.

Great macro Terrans know how to cut just enough corners to get an economic advantage while staying safe, translating to what looks like an almost insurmountable unit lead later. Kas has found a formula that works very well for him in Europe – check his romp over Fraer in the recent RSL (Replays) for a good TvP example. The problem is that he faces MC, the undisputed master of all-ins and timing attacks. It's safe to say that Kas has never played someone with so many different builds and unparalleled execution at all of them (well, at least not for a year...).

If Kas completely sells out on defense so that he doesn't die, and makes it into the mid-late game with economic parity, then he could have a decent chance. But you have to note that MC is much less one dimensional than he was a year ago, and he plays the late game fairly well, even if it's not as impressive as some of his Korean peers. Still, he's a Code S Korean, and you'd have to imagine that he would be slightly favored against Kas even in pure macro games.

Realistically though, I get the feeling that Kas will think his regular game is up to the task, or that one day is not enough time to try and change things up. He'll go into this game with the tools he has, and we'll get to see if his builds are as tight against MC as they are against his usual foes.

Prediction: MC 3 – 1 Kas


(Z)K3.VortiX vs (T)Mill.ForGG

After spending a lot of time under the radar, only talked about among hipster fans as a rising player, Vortix is finally entering the spotlight. After great displays of skill online, including an all-kill of Team Empire (Beastqt, Kas, VINES, Happy, Mista) in IPL TAC, qualification into TSL4, and a closely fought 2 – 3 loss to Keen in the same tournament, Vortix got it done in Cologne, taking third place in a tough group.

fOrGG is the exact opposite, a player who received a huge amount of attention before he even played a single official tournament game. The former MSL champion is a forerunner of the elephants we see now, and though he didn't live up to the massive hype he rode in on, he did qualify for two Code S tournaments while showing a fairly high level of play. Now, he has made a very shrewd move to relocate himself overseas, and thus far things have gone well as he placed third in his international debut at ASUS ROG.

There are two recent series that make me cautiously say that this match-up should be on the upset watch. Vortix narrowly lost to Keen 2 – 3 in TSL4, while fOrGG just barely beat JonnyREcco 3 – 2 at ASUS ROG Summer. While they differed slightly in the details, both series told the story of two foreign zergs with strong late-games being able to trade blows with two Korean Terrans for whom multi-prong attacks are not their strongest suite. fOrGG strength in the all-in department is something VortiX will have to watch out for, but with "The Pretender" favoring such a brute-force approach to late game TvZ, VortiX's chances aren't all that bad. At the very least, I think he'll show us some impressive games.

Prediction: fOrGG 3 – 2 VortiX


(Z)RoX.KIS.sLivko vs (Z)WW.SortOf

The sole Russian representative at IEM Cologne is none other than Slivko, a player who has quietly become a very familiar sight in the international live tournament circuit. After first showing up at IEM Sao Paulo, he's gone on to participate in both DreamHacks this year, HomeStory Cup V, and now in Cologne. It's not surprising he's been overlooked considering how Stephano and Nerchio have been tearing things up, but with Ro32, Ro16, and Ro8 finishes in top tournaments, Slivko is a player you have to look out for. So far he's performed as expected in Cologne, finishing 4 – 1 in the softest group of the tournament, only losing to Bomber for a 2nd place group finish.

His opponent is another Zerg who's made himself a regular fixture in the live tournament scene in 2012, but this one had the fortune of getting receiving the spotlight, center stage. With victories over SaSe, NaNiwa and ThorZaIN in front of tens of thousands of viewers at WCS Sweden, SortOf is making a case for himself as the best player from Sweden. After his great Ro8 finish at ASUS ROG, it was no great surprise to see him advance from his IEM group over old-guard players like Inori, PuMa, or DeMusliM.

Since this is a ZvZ, it's hard to say who will win the match. Even the stats make it hard to draw a conclusion, as SortOf's 23 – 14 record (a very good 62% win rate) was achieved over a fairly small sample of games, while Slivko has a fairly good record of 141 – 119 (54%) over many more games. It's almost a coin-flip prediction for me, so I'll go with the lone Russian since Swedes have already had their fair share of success in 2012.

Prediction: Slivko 3 – 2 SortOf

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Ro8 Preview

by Waxangel

(T)ST_Bomber
vs (P)ROG.elfi OR (Z)AZUBU.viOLet

Bomber's a player who is made for the international scene. His mechanics are absolutely insane, and his ability to make more stuff and control it better usually trumps silly things like planning or mind-games. If making money was his goal, he should have made the fOrGG move a long time ago, settling down in the USA or Europe to take down tournament after tournament. Sure, his propensity to choke and throw away stupid games would occasionally cause him to take 2nd or 3rd where he would otherwise would have taken 1st, but that's still a lot of cash.

In the Ro8, Bomber should have zero problems destroying elfi (again) in the case the Finnish player miraculously advances, but a match against viOLet is very dangerous. Bomber's biggest weakness has always been TvZ, where his finesse with infantry and medivacs in TvP just hasn't translated to anything useful. On top of that viOLet is the exact opposite of Bomber in high pressure, elimination series: a killer. He knows how to roll the dice and play mind games, and he has wins over better TvZ players that Bomber to show for it (Polt, MKP).

Prediction 1: Bomber 3 - 0 Elfi
Prediction 2: viOLet 3 - 2 Bomber


(Z)Nerchio
vs (P)SK_MC OR (T)Empire|Kas

Besides a minor setback where he lost to DarkForce in TSL4 after coming back from a brief vacation, Nerchio has mostly kept up the momentum he built by winning HomeStory Cup V. His record after that tournament is 38 - 24 (61%), and he has wins over players like Polt and MaNa in that period. His reputation for being a poor player in LANs is long gone, and he advanced from a very tough Ro24 group in first place. Amusingly enough, he managed to defeat all the Koreans in his group (inori, PuMa, fOrGG), while suffering losses to foreigners DeMusliM and SortOf.

Who would Nerchio favor as his Ro8 opponent? Recent results suggest MC could be an easier opponent, as Nerchio looked very much in control in his 3 - 1 victory at HSC V. Against Kas, he's 33 - 37 all time, and he recently lost to him 2 - 3 in their most recent meeting in the RSL (June). However, MC is bound to have changed up his game after losing to both Nerchio and Stephano in tournaments. Whether or not he'll be able to surprise a never-been-better Nerchio is a different question. Expect a very even, macro-war series against Kas, and look out for key adjustments from MC should they meet.

Prediction 1: Nerchio 3 - 2 MC
Prediction 2: Nerchio 3 - 2 Kas


(T)mTw.SuperNova
vs (Z)K3.VortiX OR (T)Mill.ForGG

SuperNoVa advanced from the group stage with the best record of any group, going 5 - 0 in series and an incredible 10 - 1 on maps. Admittedly, MC was the only player in the group you'd look at as a championship challenger for the whole tournament, but SuperNoVa mauled him, too. Whatever was holding his gameplay back at his previous IEM appearances in Hannover and Sao Paulo seems to be gone, though he'll probably never stop tweeting about how he misses Korean food.

SuperNoVa already had a taste of VortiX in he group stages, and he'll know he packs a fiery punch. Still, SuperNoVa's combination of drop heavy play, weird banshee builds, and all around unfamiliar play should be too much for VortiX to handle. If he plays ForGG, the match should be extremely close, almost too close to call (58.88% for SuperNoVa vs 58.97% for ForGG! Small sample sizes not withstanding).

Prediction 1: SuperNoVa 3 - 1 VortiX
Prediction 2: SuperNoVa 3 - 2 ForGG


(T)LG-IM_Mvp
vs (Z)RoX.KIS.sLivko OR (Z)WW.SortOf

With Nestea showing his mortality in the group stages, how afraid should the legend Mvp be of getting eliminated in the Ro8? Most people would look at the names Slivko and SortOf and say that Mvp will certainly make it into the Ro4 at least. But personally, I think the Ro8 is the real test for Mvp, while the Ro4 is the reward that comes after. While all of Mvp's match-ups have suffered some deterioration since his peak, TvT is the match-up where we see the most glimpses of his old brilliance. He'll probably face fOrGG or SuperNoVa, both players he should be able to crush.

His actual style in TvZ hasn't changed much, as he trudges along with a weighty turtle style, but you get the feeling he's held back by his inability to create chaos with drops, or use micro to threaten with mid-game pushes the way other players can.

Slivko and SortOf are players who can smash any mid-game aggression from Terran if it's not executed perfectly, and they're just as happy as Mvp to play for the super-late game. Unlike Nestea, however, they're not going to stack all their units for a handful of seeker missiles. Honestly, I'd rather see Mvp rely on cheese and timing attacks in this series. He could take every game super late, and he certainly could beat them in such games, but he has his wrists to think about. Two seasons ago in the GSL, when he defeated Leenock at the end of a marathon series, he said he couldn't even click correctly due to numbness in his hands. Things can't have gotten better for him since then.

Prediction 1: Mvp 3 - 2 Slivko
Prediction 2: SortOf 3 - 2 Mvp

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ShadowGoliath
Profile Joined August 2011
United States44 Posts
August 18 2012 02:48 GMT
#2
Gogo Kas hope he can pull out wins
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
August 18 2012 02:51 GMT
#3
Mvp vs Supernova is gonna be an awesome one-sided slaughter series, I trust in Mvp to get to the ro4 :o
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-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
August 18 2012 02:57 GMT
#4
SortOf over MVP?
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
August 18 2012 02:57 GMT
#5
hmm, I reallllly doubt sortof over MVP.
soiii
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany266 Posts
August 18 2012 03:14 GMT
#6
On August 18 2012 11:57 -niL wrote:
SortOf over MVP?

He has looked very strong recently in ZvT. MVP is the much bigger name but I think as well that SortOf can take this.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
August 18 2012 03:15 GMT
#7
You have no faith in Mvp at all lol
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Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
August 18 2012 03:19 GMT
#8
On August 18 2012 12:14 soiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 11:57 -niL wrote:
SortOf over MVP?

He has looked very strong recently in ZvT. MVP is the much bigger name but I think as well that SortOf can take this.

Who has he beaten that makes you think he'll win over MVP in a bo5?
Gotnerves
Profile Joined August 2012
56 Posts
August 18 2012 03:20 GMT
#9
Everything was great except the usual bias against MVP.
Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
August 18 2012 03:25 GMT
#10
but you get the feeling he's held back by his inability to create chaos with drops, or use micro to threaten with mid-game pushes the way other players can.


Its not inability, he's just hasnt decided to.
Also how can you see SuperNova or ForGG being easier than slivko or sortof?
the_business_og
Profile Joined April 2012
United States167 Posts
August 18 2012 03:43 GMT
#11
MVP is gonna take the tourney.. tryna impress the sponsors
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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
August 18 2012 03:49 GMT
#12
Lol Sortof over MVP is a joke.
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 18 2012 03:49 GMT
#13
What happened to never doubting MVP? When in doubt, MVP will win. Thats gotta be a rule, and its gonna be at least a little bit longer before it stops being true.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 04:00:18
August 18 2012 03:57 GMT
#14
I think wax just keeps predicting against mvp so when he finally loses he will look like a genius

I have to laugh at this from the open bracket preview now:

The part where I explain why Mvp won't win, against my better instincts

With four GSL Championships, (T)LG-IM_Mvp is clearly the best Starcraft II player of all time and a living legend. All those in attendance at IEM Cologne should take care to not even step on his shadow, lest they disrespect him.

That said, Mvp is terrible when he's not playing in the GSL. We all saw how limited he was at HomeStoryCup V, where intelligence and experience alone could not overcome a noticeable decline in mechanics. With the pain in his arms preventing him from practicing as much as he'd like, he gets left further and further behind with every day that passes.

Also, Mvp despises international air travel, and it's not hard to tell he's in Cologne mainly in order to fulfill sponsor obligations to LG. Mvp is a professional, and he'll tough it out and do his best to perform as long as he's there, but it's unrealistic to expect a great result.


Terrible outside GSL, gets first seed in open bracket, wins group stage.
Gotnerves
Profile Joined August 2012
56 Posts
August 18 2012 04:04 GMT
#15
On August 18 2012 12:57 Dodgin wrote:
I think wax just keeps predicting against mvp so when he finally loses he will look like a genius

I have to laugh at this from the open bracket preview now:

Show nested quote +
The part where I explain why Mvp won't win, against my better instincts

With four GSL Championships, (T)LG-IM_Mvp is clearly the best Starcraft II player of all time and a living legend. All those in attendance at IEM Cologne should take care to not even step on his shadow, lest they disrespect him.

That said, Mvp is terrible when he's not playing in the GSL. We all saw how limited he was at HomeStoryCup V, where intelligence and experience alone could not overcome a noticeable decline in mechanics. With the pain in his arms preventing him from practicing as much as he'd like, he gets left further and further behind with every day that passes.

Also, Mvp despises international air travel, and it's not hard to tell he's in Cologne mainly in order to fulfill sponsor obligations to LG. Mvp is a professional, and he'll tough it out and do his best to perform as long as he's there, but it's unrealistic to expect a great result.


Terrible outside GSL, gets first seed in open bracket, wins group stage.


This. And if we go back to last year, WCG, MLG, Blizzcon are not gsl tournies.
hyptonic
Profile Joined June 2011
2155 Posts
August 18 2012 04:19 GMT
#16
rofl sortof over mvp after sortof didn't even beat thorzain. sometimes these predictions look like the writers are playing a joke on everyone.
laerteis
Profile Joined August 2012
United States78 Posts
August 18 2012 04:48 GMT
#17
Great write up as usual!

but come on......
MVP 3:1 Sortof
MVP 3:0 Slivko
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Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 04:51:54
August 18 2012 04:49 GMT
#18
On August 18 2012 13:19 hyptonic wrote:
rofl sortof over mvp after sortof didn't even beat thorzain. sometimes these predictions look like the writers are playing a joke on everyone.

It was 3:3 against ThorZaIN and while the Spoon chillaxed for 2 hours before the series was played, SortOf had to own SaSe, NaNiwa and Seiplo in this time to even get there
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 18 2012 04:51 GMT
#19
Wax's usual bias against Mvp. I laught so hard whenever someone say Mvp is not good outside GSL because I am trying to think who has won more than him in international tournament. lol
Liena
Profile Joined June 2011
Hungary3 Posts
August 18 2012 05:00 GMT
#20
I really agree with you guys on SortOf over MVP... that's just not the way it's meant to be.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 05:08:16
August 18 2012 05:07 GMT
#21
On August 18 2012 13:04 Gotnerves wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 12:57 Dodgin wrote:
I think wax just keeps predicting against mvp so when he finally loses he will look like a genius

I have to laugh at this from the open bracket preview now:

The part where I explain why Mvp won't win, against my better instincts

With four GSL Championships, (T)LG-IM_Mvp is clearly the best Starcraft II player of all time and a living legend. All those in attendance at IEM Cologne should take care to not even step on his shadow, lest they disrespect him.

That said, Mvp is terrible when he's not playing in the GSL. We all saw how limited he was at HomeStoryCup V, where intelligence and experience alone could not overcome a noticeable decline in mechanics. With the pain in his arms preventing him from practicing as much as he'd like, he gets left further and further behind with every day that passes.

Also, Mvp despises international air travel, and it's not hard to tell he's in Cologne mainly in order to fulfill sponsor obligations to LG. Mvp is a professional, and he'll tough it out and do his best to perform as long as he's there, but it's unrealistic to expect a great result.


Terrible outside GSL, gets first seed in open bracket, wins group stage.


This. And if we go back to last year, WCG, MLG, Blizzcon are not gsl tournies.


On August 18 2012 13:51 Wildmoon wrote:
Wax's usual bias against Mvp. I laught so hard whenever someone say Mvp is not good outside GSL because I am trying to think who has won more than him in international tournament. lol


Actually, Mvp declined in foreign tournaments kind of substantially as his wrist problems grew. Even in his GSL 2 run, he didn't win by beating everyone in every single way possible (as he did in all his other tournament wins), it was through mindgames and planning and stuff (aka stuff only applicable to GSL). What Wax is saying is that after Mvp's wrists have declined, it's become more and more difficult for hiim to stand up in foreign style tournaments where planning takes backseat to mechanics.

EDIT: with that being said, I still think Mvp is favored over SortOf (and am definitely cheering him on, as I have all his other runs), but don't randomly hate.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 05:16:11
August 18 2012 05:10 GMT
#22
do people really think Mvp planned out every series in gsl s2 this year? lol

he said he only prepared for the first game in the finals

him cheesing a few games in the single elim part of the tournament makes everyone forget mvp vs leenock in the ro16, which is sad cause that series was gooooooooooood.

It's like people think Mvp has become a mid-tier foreigner in skill level just because of his wrists, skill doesn't magically disappear like that. He's playing a lot of mechanical TvZ lately too which is easier on him than marine/tank.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 05:33:34
August 18 2012 05:29 GMT
#23
On August 18 2012 14:07 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 13:04 Gotnerves wrote:
On August 18 2012 12:57 Dodgin wrote:
I think wax just keeps predicting against mvp so when he finally loses he will look like a genius

I have to laugh at this from the open bracket preview now:

The part where I explain why Mvp won't win, against my better instincts

With four GSL Championships, (T)LG-IM_Mvp is clearly the best Starcraft II player of all time and a living legend. All those in attendance at IEM Cologne should take care to not even step on his shadow, lest they disrespect him.

That said, Mvp is terrible when he's not playing in the GSL. We all saw how limited he was at HomeStoryCup V, where intelligence and experience alone could not overcome a noticeable decline in mechanics. With the pain in his arms preventing him from practicing as much as he'd like, he gets left further and further behind with every day that passes.

Also, Mvp despises international air travel, and it's not hard to tell he's in Cologne mainly in order to fulfill sponsor obligations to LG. Mvp is a professional, and he'll tough it out and do his best to perform as long as he's there, but it's unrealistic to expect a great result.


Terrible outside GSL, gets first seed in open bracket, wins group stage.


This. And if we go back to last year, WCG, MLG, Blizzcon are not gsl tournies.


Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 13:51 Wildmoon wrote:
Wax's usual bias against Mvp. I laught so hard whenever someone say Mvp is not good outside GSL because I am trying to think who has won more than him in international tournament. lol


Actually, Mvp declined in foreign tournaments kind of substantially as his wrist problems grew. Even in his GSL 2 run, he didn't win by beating everyone in every single way possible (as he did in all his other tournament wins), it was through mindgames and planning and stuff (aka stuff only applicable to GSL). What Wax is saying is that after Mvp's wrists have declined, it's become more and more difficult for hiim to stand up in foreign style tournaments where planning takes backseat to mechanics.

EDIT: with that being said, I still think Mvp is favored over SortOf (and am definitely cheering him on, as I have all his other runs), but don't randomly hate.


If you actually watched the GSL which Mvp won you will know that most of his wins were standard game but people just saw his last game against Squirtle and thought that he cheesed his way to win th GSL. Only serie you can say he mostly cheesed to win was against Naniwa but still he beated Naniwa in standard game in first game.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
August 18 2012 05:36 GMT
#24
MC got this
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LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
August 18 2012 05:39 GMT
#25
I guess MVP getting first in his group isn't enough for this writer to realize that he still is good when he doesn't get to plan a set...
hmm... let's think about it
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 06:10:00
August 18 2012 06:09 GMT
#26
ZvT is SortOf's weakest matchup as well... I'm not going to say he can't win, but he's definitely not the favourite by any stretch of the imagination. Poor Mvp, always the underdog in Wax's writeups. :p
VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 06:26:34
August 18 2012 06:17 GMT
#27
On August 15 2012 22:26 Waxangel wrote:
eh, I can live with Mvp going out in ro 4 or somethign :o



Waxangel curse trlololol

That said, Mvp is terrible when he's not playing in the GSL



Well, it seems wrong cuz MVP just crushed Grubby / Targa who destoyed Oz and Ace out of this tournament.

btw you forgot MVP won

MLG Anaheim
Blizzcon 2011
WCG 2011
MLG Providence 4th (where he went through the whole tournament from open bracket and recording 26-5 overall)

MVP is also the MVP in the players by players tournament
Incredible Miracle for my life! :D
VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 06:27:21
August 18 2012 06:18 GMT
#28
Another WaxAngel's otaku prediction. Like it has been always correct... XDD
Incredible Miracle for my life! :D
Pretty Aluminum
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States95 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 06:24:40
August 18 2012 06:20 GMT
#29
"If I predict Sortof to beat Mvp and he does I'll look so smart!" is not a good way to go about writing an article. Stop trying to pretend that Mvp is bad when he is one of the best terrans in the world. It makes the article look stupid.
It is never too late to be what you might have been. -- George Eliot
VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
August 18 2012 06:30 GMT
#30
Hey Wax, what's wrong with you? You proved to be always wrong about your thinking over MVP...lol
You seem really stubborn ....like a genius lol (well maybe not really)
Incredible Miracle for my life! :D
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33199 Posts
August 18 2012 06:53 GMT
#31
On August 18 2012 14:10 Dodgin wrote:
do people really think Mvp planned out every series in gsl s2 this year? lol

he said he only prepared for the first game in the finals

him cheesing a few games in the single elim part of the tournament makes everyone forget mvp vs leenock in the ro16, which is sad cause that series was gooooooooooood.

It's like people think Mvp has become a mid-tier foreigner in skill level just because of his wrists, skill doesn't magically disappear like that. He's playing a lot of mechanical TvZ lately too which is easier on him than marine/tank.


I don't really believe him D:
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 07:08:45
August 18 2012 07:05 GMT
#32
Even if you don't believe him It's impossible to plan out every game in the ro32 and ro16. The maps are not pre-set and you don't know who you are going to be going up against in the winners match/losers match/final match.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33199 Posts
August 18 2012 07:23 GMT
#33
god, I love elfi though
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Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 07:40:07
August 18 2012 07:35 GMT
#34
JESUS , give mvp some credit, he'll roll through those zergs with competant play all day long.

EDIT: i have said this before, but mvp is the only player in sc2 i know of, which is considered dead and gone , if he doesnt win every ´single thing he enters
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 18 2012 08:02 GMT
#35
Bomber > everyone. At least I hope it turns out this way. I agree with the predictions though that he might lose to Violet if it's he that advances.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Heritas
Profile Joined August 2012
Great Britain2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 08:07:44
August 18 2012 08:05 GMT
#36
WaxAngel : Where can I get odds on YuGiOh representing Korea in he WCS World finals? I'll put all my money on it
(he wrote this on twitter)

Well, Wax I personally recommend you go to some good psychotherapists and heal your unstable mind / impulse control disorders or you will lose all your money to kill yourself in some day

and don't blame teamliquid not to give you a credit as admin cuz I think they are pretty smart.

What about going to sc2gg as you hope?
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
August 18 2012 09:04 GMT
#37
Obvious bias against Mvp here, there's no way he'll lose to SortOf, a player that is way too overrated.

Predicting 3-1 or 3-0 each.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 09:16:29
August 18 2012 09:15 GMT
#38
Wait, on what planet is Mvp terrible outside of GSL when he's won almost every LAN he's played in? HSCV was ugly but he crushed face at MLG, Blizzcon, and WCG.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
August 18 2012 10:57 GMT
#39
Why you keep betting against Mvp TL writers
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
August 18 2012 10:58 GMT
#40
On August 18 2012 18:15 forsooth wrote:
Wait, on what planet is Mvp terrible outside of GSL when he's won almost every LAN he's played in? HSCV was ugly but he crushed face at MLG, Blizzcon, and WCG.

And lost at MLG providence to the eventuala winner (leenock) who would then go on to beat him again in the semifinals of the gsl
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
August 18 2012 13:23 GMT
#41
MVP Losing, and calling Nerchio the favorite over MC?

MC will not let that happen. Has he ever lost back to back series to a foreigner zerg?

MC will make this finals, and MVP will at least make Ro4
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 17:12:36
August 18 2012 17:11 GMT
#42
for once prediction are not so bad, if we forget Vortix.

Actually IEM game are more entertaining to watch than last GSL.
great game.

If slivko manage to beat MvP 4 Zerg on top 4....

Nerf incoming !
LockeTazeline October 31 2012 06:02. Posts 166 : A Bo9 is really just a Bo1 played 9 times.
Werne79
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands6 Posts
August 18 2012 17:13 GMT
#43
Zerg so IMBA......xD
SC2 Rullzz
naastyOne
Profile Joined April 2012
491 Posts
August 18 2012 17:13 GMT
#44
Yay, 3 Zergs in semi, at least 2 from EU.
EU FIGHTING!1

Comon SlivKo! we need European 3:1 European semi.
Arkard
Profile Joined April 2012
15 Posts
August 18 2012 17:53 GMT
#45
I m so sad for supernova, i was rooting for him so bad...
zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
August 18 2012 18:50 GMT
#46
MVP looks really at the top of his game.

Slivko make some mistake but put on some awesome game !
LockeTazeline October 31 2012 06:02. Posts 166 : A Bo9 is really just a Bo1 played 9 times.
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 18 2012 18:57 GMT
#47
On August 18 2012 22:23 ohampatu wrote:
MVP Losing, and calling Nerchio the favorite over MC?

MC will not let that happen. Has he ever lost back to back series to a foreigner zerg?

MC will make this finals, and MVP will at least make Ro4

nerchio :D
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
August 18 2012 19:00 GMT
#48
On August 18 2012 22:23 ohampatu wrote:
MVP Losing, and calling Nerchio the favorite over MC?

MC will not let that happen. Has he ever lost back to back series to a foreigner zerg?

MC will make this finals, and MVP will at least make Ro4


I don't know what to say!
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sPaG
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3 Posts
August 18 2012 19:00 GMT
#49
i cant help but feel supernova jinxed himself predicting 3-0 win before his match :0
Don't think about the Problem, Think about the Solution
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
August 18 2012 19:13 GMT
#50
VortiX has played some of the most beautiful matches i have ever seen in SC2. I am honestly blown away by how talented he is. I really hope we see more of him in the future!

@VortiX, thumbs up man, u are so awesome!
U MAD BRO?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 19:15:56
August 18 2012 19:15 GMT
#51
nice predictions wax

( yes I will keep doing this until you give mvp some credit in these! )
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 18 2012 19:43 GMT
#52
On August 19 2012 04:15 Dodgin wrote:
nice predictions wax

( yes I will keep doing this until you give mvp some credit in these! )

agreed hes always hatin on the best player ever
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33199 Posts
August 18 2012 22:16 GMT
#53
On August 19 2012 04:15 Dodgin wrote:
nice predictions wax

( yes I will keep doing this until you give mvp some credit in these! )

I said he would beat slivko :o
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GroundLuminous
Profile Joined March 2012
United States8 Posts
August 18 2012 22:22 GMT
#54
Wow, so many of my very favorite players on deck. And MVP's been tearing it up!
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 18 2012 22:43 GMT
#55
You need to start predicting 3-0s and 4-0s for Mvp. We need to see some more Mvp domination in here!

IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
Pretty Aluminum
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States95 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 23:04:34
August 18 2012 22:55 GMT
#56
On August 19 2012 07:16 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 04:15 Dodgin wrote:
nice predictions wax

( yes I will keep doing this until you give mvp some credit in these! )

I said he would beat slivko :o


You also said it would be 3-2 which implies a close series. Its pretty obvious Mvp out classed Slivko. He crushed him 3 games in a row and one close game. Stop acting like Mvp isn't one of the best terrans in the world. Its really annoying and your write ups come off as stupid and biased when you do.
It is never too late to be what you might have been. -- George Eliot
Pretty Aluminum
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States95 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 23:02:27
August 18 2012 23:02 GMT
#57
double post sorry
It is never too late to be what you might have been. -- George Eliot
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
August 19 2012 04:09 GMT
#58
On August 19 2012 07:55 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 07:16 Waxangel wrote:
On August 19 2012 04:15 Dodgin wrote:
nice predictions wax

( yes I will keep doing this until you give mvp some credit in these! )

I said he would beat slivko :o


You also said it would be 3-2 which implies a close series. Its pretty obvious Mvp out classed Slivko. He crushed him 3 games in a row and one close game. Stop acting like Mvp isn't one of the best terrans in the world. Its really annoying and your write ups come off as stupid and biased when you do.


So much hate. Yeah Wax loves to play devil's advocate. It's his choice if he wants to ignore certain top players, doesn't mean you have to shit all over him for it.
Hey! How you doin'?
JokkePokke
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden8 Posts
August 19 2012 15:28 GMT
#59
Am I the only one whos confused? On the Liquipedia they say Bo5 in final ("Single-elimination playoff for the top 12 players. All rounds are best-of-five and no bronze match is played.")

But the guy who interviewed MVP after his semifinal said Bo7, and I think that some of the Tastosis said Bo7 too?

Confusing
Hope it wont be a problem tho
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 01:27:54
August 20 2012 01:25 GMT
#60
Guess who's way off with his _________ predictions again?

MVP FTW!! The Terran Hope and Messiah!!
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