• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:27
CEST 22:27
KST 05:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup3StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)60Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Awesome/Confusing SC2 BM SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ]
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
JaeDong's ASL S22 Ro. 8 Review Bot on ladder Data analysis on 8 million games BW General Discussion Fantasy returning?
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8551 users

[TAC3] Back to the Future

Forum Index > News
38 CommentsPost a Reply
Normal

[TAC3] Back to the Future

Text bytree.hugger
Graphics byMeko
June 19th, 2012 20:11 GMT
  • IPL on Liquipedia
  • Week Five Review
  • Week Six Preview

Back to the Future


After the winners round two, we return again to the lower bracket, where the losers of the last two weeks will turn on each other in an attempt to remain in the tournament. For four more teams; it'll be an abrupt exit, while for four others; new life. The bracket of a 24 team double elimination tournament proves to be quite complicated, and the winners of this week's matches will probably get an easier next round match than the one before. So this round represents something of an anomaly, as some strong teams will see earlier exits than they perhaps deserve.

Still there's only one way to 'deserve' anything at all in this league, and that's to win. For the elite teams unfortunate enough to be bumped into the lower bracket, it's now or never to prove that they can do exactly that.


Week Five (Winners Round 2) Review

By tree.hugger

Tuesday:
[image loading]
MVP vs [image loading] Evil Geniuses

kr MvP.Monster < Tal'Darim Altar > se EGThorZaIN
kr MvP.Monster < Entombed Valley > us EGIdrA
kr MvP.Monster < Daybreak > kr EGJYP
kr MvP.Monster < Antiga Shipyard > kr EGPuMa
kr MvP.Monster < Ohana > ca EGHuK


After this week, you can bet that EG would rather not face MvP.Monster any time soon. It wasn't just this. Monster went 2-0 against both HuK and JYP to knock them out of MLG Spring Championships. At the GIGABYTE LAN, Monster knocked out DeMusliM. Perhaps EG has an issue with beating players that have the same name as one of their sponsors. Just wait until mouz.KingstonHyperX and Liquid`BigFootNetworks.

But this series wasn't so much of a joke for EG, they were rolled in a way that probably shouldn't be possible at this point. Even EG's twitter failed to mention the series, (something that, to their credit, they've done in almost every other circumstance) and IdrA began streaming right as the match started, perhaps—many would allege—to try to draw viewers away from the massacre on IPLtv. Monster is a superb player; one of the best representatives of a resurgent zerg race in Korea. But Monster didn't make anything look particularly close, and faced EG's absolute top tier line-up. Hindsight being 20/20, the choice to start with ThorZaIN is probably the easiest thing to question; as the spoon terran seems to excel late in the series, with an opponent to think about and prepare for. At the same time, perhaps EG knew the starter with even more time to spare, so who can tell.

At any rate, it didn't work out. That's bad, but EG wasn't favored against MvP anyway, and there's no difference between a 4-5 and a 0-5 as far as the brackets are concerned. EG drops down to the lower bracket to face dtG, and there they should feel comfortable as the favorites. Results like this and fan folklore nonwithstanding, EG has a top-tier line-up in this tournament, and especially the sending of HuK shows that they're extremely serious about this event. They should be able to put together a good run in losers, despite this defeat.

For MvP, the Korean move on into the 'GSTL' portion of the IPL TAC. Foreign teams well behind them, they will now face IM in what may be the top matche of the third winners round. Hopefully the series goes long, with Monster, DRG, MVP and NesTea coming out. Not too much to ask, right? But it should be close.



Wednesday: [image loading] IM vs [image loading]Dream Team Gaming
kr IMYongHwa < Daybreak > kr dtG.TristaN
kr IMYongHwa < Sanshorn Mist AE > kr dtG.Sickness
kr IMYongHwa < Entombed Valley > kr dtG.StorM
kr IMYongHwa < Antiga Shipyard > kr Madcow
kr IMYongHwa < Tal'Darim Altar > :kr Zenith


After a few weeks without an all-kill, who would've guessed we'd see two to start off the week! Yet YongHwa had no trouble against a dtG line-up that was probably a little depleted (no Peony and Otter) and IM rolled to a 5-0 victory. The fairy tale hit a brick wall for dtG; the little Korean team that could, as the might of a GSTL pro-house was too much to bear. Similar to the EG match, nothing here was *really* close, and YongHwa looked better than he had since Artosis cursed him with fanboyism.

The symmetry here is pretty fun; the all-killed will face the all-killed in the lower bracket, while all-killer faces all-killer in the next round. IM moves on against MvP, with both looking; well... as strong as you can look.

dtG meanwhile drops down against EG. For EG, their loss wasn't as expected, but for dtG, they're already outperforming expectations. After upsetting aTn.Type, they've already made a name for themselves. Now, against EG, they have the picture perfect opportunity to make a huge splash; against one of the most popular and well known foreign teams. It'll be tough; EG is obviously a fearsome opponent, but if dtG can get their full A-line-up together, and the likes of Sickness, Otter, and Peony can put some wins together, than they could keep the little Korean engine that could going.



Thursday: [image loading] Startale vs [image loading] Quantic
kr ST_Bomber < Metropolis > kr Quantic.Apocalypse
kr ST_Bomber < Daybreak > us Quantic.theognis
kr ST_Bomber < Antiga Shipyard > us Quantic.Illusion
kr ST_Bomber < Atlantis Spaceship > se Quantic.SaSe
kr ST_KingKong < Cloud Kingdom > se Quantic.SaSe
kr ST_KingKong < Sanshorn Mist AE > se Quantic.NaNiwa
kr ST_Tiger < Ohana > se Quantic.NaNiwa


ST is obviously a brilliant team, but headlined by NaNiwa and SaSe, who are training at the Startale house, and with the powerful remnants of Vile's line-up, Quantic definitely had a chance at the upset. But Startale held on comfortably with Bomber leading the way as Quantic fed him terrans. You can definitely pick at Quantic's line-up choices; after opening with Apocalypse, sending two more terrans against Bomber is a bit questionable. Surely Hawk, who four killed so impressively against Karont3, or State, who landed some big PvT wins in the last IPL TAC, would've been the better choice than theognis, and perhaps also Illusion. Eventually, Quantic took Bomber seriously with SaSe, and the Swedish protoss took back the win. After KingKong put Quantic on the brink, NaNiwa intervened, but was subsequently sniped by PvP. Quantic has perhaps the deepest line-up in this tournament (I don't just mean in terms of size), but questionable line-up choices and a reluctance to deploy their aces was Quantic's downfall, without PartinG, Squirtle, or Curious being deployed against them.

Still I like Quantic's chances against most teams. In the next round, however, they definitely have the tallest order of anyone; going up against FXO. The Korean squad is minus Oz, and hasn't looked as good as they used to look, but that's no cause for celebration for Quantic, any GSTL team will surely be a dangerous opponent. NaNiwa and SaSe will be once again required to carry the team, and the big red steering wheel will hope for more help from their Vile supporting cast. New pickups TheStC and possibly decemvre will be available as well. Quantic strikes me as a team that has underperformed so far in teamleagues. Hopefully they figure it out this week.

Meanwhile, Startale presses on. They've established themselves as one of the best squads in teamleagues this year, and will be hoping to continue their success. Their next opponents; TSL, are similarly on the rise, so their WR3 confrontation is looking like an exciting battle of up-and-coming stars. Absolutely not something to miss out on. A potential Squirtle-SymboL match-up looms!



Friday: [image loading] FXO.KR vs [image loading] TSL

kr FXOGuMiho < Ohana > kr TSL_RagnaroK
kr FXOTheBest < Cloud Kingdom > kr TSL_RagnaroK
kr FXOTheBest < Daybreak > kr TSL_Symbol
kr FXOTear < Entombed Valley > kr TSL_Symbol
kr FXOTear < Antiga Shipyard > kr TSL_HyuN
kr FXOTear < Sanshorn Mist AE > kr TSL_Polt
kr FXOLeenock < Atlantis Spaceship > kr TSL_Polt
kr FXOLucky < Metropolis > kr TSL_Polt
kr FXOLucky < Tal'Darim Altar > kr TSL_Inori


This tournament saw two 5-4 wins in the first week, and only two since. But FXO and TSL delivered a classic in the first match between GSTL teams so far in the tournament. TSL's formiddable zerg line-up scored a few kills, but eventually needed to be bailed out by Polt. Meanwhile, FXO saw some key wins come from non-traditional sources, as Tear and TheBest far outperformed Leenock and GuMiho. Eventually, in a thrilling war of attrition on Tal'Darim Altar, Inori was simply too active for Lucky's slow broodlord infestor army, bringing the win into TSL's column after the back and forth. It was interesting how both teams reversed each other's line-ups; TSL started with zergs and FXO ended with them. This led to the prized result of a nine-game series without a single mirror match-up. Well done to both teams for providing an entertaining series as well as a competitive one.

Tough cookies for FXO, who drops down to the lower bracket despite their strong performance here. They'll face Quantic as the favorites; but will need to have better support from their supposed aces; Gumibear and the Leenocktapus weren't so deadly in this series. A GuMiho-Apocalypse match would be awesome to see; the last time they played in the IPL ToC before IPL4, Apocalypse stunned GuMiho 3-0 in some fantastic TvTs. It'd be excellent to see them go to battle again.

Meanwhile, TSL has gone from being a team on the brink of disbandment to one of the world's best teams in a very short period. The king of this party is SymboL, whose own rise has mirrored his team's. But Polt has been a stalwart for TSL, and players like HyuN, RagnaroK, and RevivaL have built a fearsome zerg line; just in time for zerg dominance in the metagame. Then there's Inori, who has new life on TSL; morphing from just a PvP sniper into a well rounded and dominant player. This is a fun team to watch, and despite being the only GSTL team not seeded up a round, they've proved they deserved better by storming into the winners bracket quarter finals.


Week Six (Losers Round 1.5) Preview


By NrGmonk

[image loading]Mouz vs [image loading] Acer

With the departure of Thorzain, Mouz has been looking for someone to step up to fill rather his large shoes. And what better player to replace the previous winner of Dreamhack than the current winner of Dreamhack, Mana. Mana, who had always been known for his impressive PvP and legendary PvT once again showed these match-ups at Dreamhack by taking down merz and Hero(who had previously gone 20-0 in this tournament). But perhaps much more impressively, Mana's Dreamhack run was paved with dead Zergs, a race he previously struggled heavily with. By taking down Bly, Dimaga, and even the Protoss killer, Stephano, Mana perhaps showed that this previously perceived weakness may start to become a thing of the past.

Meanwhile, Acer's ace, Nerchio, has also been on the upswing. After winning one of those extremely difficult TL qualifiers and placing top 4 and top 8 in back to back Dreamhacks, Nerchio has never looked better. Even in his both Dreamhack loses, Nerchio was only eliminated by top players, including the recently dominating Monster and the always dominating Stephano. But with elfi's recent departure of Acer, Bly remains the only other notable player on the team. Bly, a name unfamiliar to most, is known for being an online beast, and has won perhaps more European online tournaments than anyone since Goody. In last week's match against Prime, Bly was responsible for three out of four kills, including even MKP; it's no secret that Bly does especially well in this online format. And although the rest of the team might be lacking, Nerchio and Bly alone should be a huge threat to Mouz.

While Mouz, by name and results, seems to be the stronger team, last week's results tell a different story. Mouz lost to only two of Liquid's "weaker" non-Korean players in Sheth and Haypro while Acer took IPL TAC2 champions, Prime, to the very last map. If you take a step back and see the notable players of each team, Mana, Morrow, Hasuobs, and biGs vs Nerchio and Bly, you'll see that it's not unthinkable at all that Acer could make the upset and take this. Especially likely is multiple kills from Nerchio, who even after Mana's Dreamhack win, I would still rate as the best player out of this bunch. Still Mouz's notable players double Acer's in number, so they should will still be the favorites.

Prediction: Mouz 5:4 Acer



[image loading]FXO.CIS vs [image loading]Empire


Empire and FXO.CIS are the big two teams from Eastern Europe and their rosters combined contain almost all of the best players from this area. (Hurry up and conform, White-ra and Dimaga!) So I guess today, we get to find out which is definitively the best Eastern European team, right? Right? Well, Empire might be tempted to cheat a bit, using their Koreans in Violet and Vines, giving them a pretty sizable advantage. Good thing for FXO.CIS, they're not afraid of Koreans, as they showed by beating Complexity's full Korean lineup and taking three maps off of GSTL level team, NSH. FXO.CIS, even with these great results, is still a relatively unknown team. Because the entire team lives all the way in Eastern Europe, visa issues generally prove to be a huge determent to attending Lans. Unfortunately for them, fewer Lan results equals less fame, but fortunately for them, they are often underestimated for the very same reason.

While Empire did worse against their Korean opponent last week, you can't fault them for losing to one of the most solid Protoss in the world, Puzzle, and one of the most up and coming Protoss, Crank. Empire has a reputation to defend; they were one of the best teams before their recent recruitment wave of three players, and they should continue to be an even better team in the future. TheMista has already shown to be worth his salt, Vines is another one of those up-and-coming Protoss, and Violet is a Code S player, probably one of the top five Zergs in the world. These new additions should give Empire the slight advantage, but if any team can turn the myth that Koreans > Foreigners on its head, it's FXO.CIS.

Prediction: Empire 5:4 FXO.CIS



[image loading] Quantic vs [image loading] FXO.KR


Even though Quantic has the biggest roster in IPL TAC, they have never been known as a team that does well in team leagues. While they had two of the best players in the world in Naniwa and Sase, both players had trouble performing in team leagues, and sometimes, Quantic just decided to not play them, often times only using their NA lineup, which just wasn't up to par to their two Protoss stars. With Quantic absorbing Vile's entire roster, they gained a much needed reinforcement of backup players. And with theStc's debut as Quantic.Stc for this first time in this match, Quantic is actually looking like a competitive team these days. Not only will they sport a very competent lineup for this match, I can think of no better team to play for their first challenge than their opponents this day.

FXO.KR, while still a traditional Korean team with a team house and coaches, has been on the downturn lately. Since making top 4 in GSTL last season, FXO.KR has been just disappointing lately with Leenock, Lucky, and Gumiho falling off and Oz leaving the team. As of now, they are regarded as one of the worse teams in Korea. It was fairly obvious that last week, Quantic would fall to the primer Korean team of Startale, but FXO.KR is a much more manageable team to face, more of a Mount Kangchenjunga rather than a Mount Everest, if you will. On the other hand, FXO.KR did take TSL to the last map last week, so this quest will definitely not be so easy for Quantic.

Edit: Since writing this preview, Quantic has signed yet another player in Decemvre. So welcome Quantic.Decemvre. Quantic's previous 18 man roster just wasn't enough to take down FXO.KR. But with your addition, 19 players may just be enough to push them over the top!

Prediction: FXO.KR 5:4 Quantic



[image loading] Evil Geniuses vs [image loading]Dream Team Gaming


EG was all-killed by MVP.Monster last week. And although it's not a shame to lose to MVP nor a shame to lose to the rising star in Monster, being all-killed by not-DRG should be a huge disappointing for such a strong and proud team like EG. The recent huge disappointments at Dreamhack also must leave a bitter taste in their mouths. The arguably top four players of EG, all known for being able to win tournaments, all attended Dreamhack, but none of them were able to make it into the round of 16 bracket play. Perhaps a vacation is needed in order to restore the team to proper form. And to EG, their next opponents must seem like a vacation compared to the opponents they've been facing.

dtG, who looked so promising in round one against aTn-Type, was all-killed last week by Younghwa, a player who is not known for being particularly skilled, but is known for having a very solid and safe playstyle. Players like this tend to win a lot of games versus people worse than them, but at the same time take fewer wins against players better than them. What this says to me is no one on dtG is significantly better than Younghwa, a definitively Code B Korean. On the other hand, there are plenty of players on EG better than Younghwa. As long as EG doesn't totally phone this one in, this match should be a piece of cake and a much needed rest for their next matches. Just one more piece of advice for EG: don't underestimate the Otter, the one and only dtG.Otter.

Prediction: EG 5:2 dtG




Writers: NrGmonk and tree.hugger.
Graphics and layout: Meko.
Editor: tree.hugger


Facebook Twitter Reddit
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
June 19 2012 20:32 GMT
#2
cant wait to see mouz.kingstonhyperx and liquid`bigfootnetwork :D
IM & EG supporter
TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
June 19 2012 20:54 GMT
#3
Thanks for the write up! :D

I was shocked that EG got all killed this week but it is only a matter of time before every team is on the receiving end of an all kill
Sc2 Caster | Host of Sc2 Up & Coming | The Godfather of Team LXG | Sc2 Historian | Youtube.com/NanMan | Twitch.tv/TheRealNanMan | Twitter.com/TheRealNanMan |
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
June 19 2012 21:01 GMT
#4
quantic vs FXO is the best match, FXO will probably take it tho.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
June 19 2012 22:16 GMT
#5
Monster's a monster. 5-0 ezpz.
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
June 19 2012 22:21 GMT
#6
I'd bet on Acer, Empire, Quantic and EG as winners!
Acer vs Mouz and Quantic vs FXO seems like great matches and close ones at that. can't wait to see STC play for Quantic
EG.lectR
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States617 Posts
June 19 2012 22:35 GMT
#7
Too funny.
@colindeshong
Childplay
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada263 Posts
June 19 2012 22:50 GMT
#8
mouz.kingstonhyperx and liquid'bigfootnetwork...
better come true xD
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 22:59:55
June 19 2012 22:59 GMT
#9
Ouch ouch, some pretty funny lines in there. Good job Startale! I hope they don't get crushed by Prime in this TAC.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
June 19 2012 23:05 GMT
#10
I laughed to tears during the EG-MVP match.

GO TSL
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
June 19 2012 23:18 GMT
#11
dtG.Otter? omg, a certain EG manager might be tempted to sign him just by the name!
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
June 19 2012 23:23 GMT
#12
dam two all kills this week :p pick it up foreign teams!
133 221 333 123 111
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 23:29:47
June 19 2012 23:28 GMT
#13
'there are plenty of players on EG better than Younghwa"

I would heartily dispute this.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 19 2012 23:43 GMT
#14
Go Quantic! If Vile can take 3 matches from FXO, with Naniwa, Sase and theSTC it is very possible for them to win.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
June 20 2012 01:56 GMT
#15
nice review / preview. here we go for another week of the mini gstl.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 20 2012 02:25 GMT
#16
On the other hand, there are plenty of players on EG better than Younghwa.


I'll have what he's having. Whereas I'm sure there are a few EG players who could beat the chap in a bo1. With how things are going for them I find it unlikely. Maybe one of them will show up. We'll see.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
June 20 2012 04:26 GMT
#17
--- Nuked ---
NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 04:42:38
June 20 2012 04:41 GMT
#18
FXO will OWN Quantic like it's nothing. They've got some unknown talented young guns each can all kill Quantic ezpz.
Tassadar/TheBest/Jjakji/Rain(terran)/Heart
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 05:59:22
June 20 2012 05:19 GMT
#19
On June 20 2012 07:35 EG.lectR wrote:
Too funny.

Ofcourse it is! It was written by tree.hugger, what'd you expect? He's a funny guy.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
mattchan02
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada3 Posts
June 20 2012 05:34 GMT
#20
I was wondering, did anyone else think this article was heavily biased (more so than usual?) pertaining to the EG vs MVP section? When he was making reference to EG not tweeting about the series and IdrA streaming, that just seemed unfair to mention and point out. Sure, even if it was true, it's understandable given media bias. Likewise, Teamliquidpro.com does not many ANY news either when any of their players get knocked out, lose show matches or get all-killed in team leagues (which has happened). Why point it out in a community article against EG and never about TL?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 20 2012 08:20 GMT
#21
On June 20 2012 14:34 mattchan02 wrote:
I was wondering, did anyone else think this article was heavily biased (more so than usual?) pertaining to the EG vs MVP section? When he was making reference to EG not tweeting about the series and IdrA streaming, that just seemed unfair to mention and point out. Sure, even if it was true, it's understandable given media bias. Likewise, Teamliquidpro.com does not many ANY news either when any of their players get knocked out, lose show matches or get all-killed in team leagues (which has happened). Why point it out in a community article against EG and never about TL?


I see Taeja vs MKP in TLpro, which Taeja lost 1-5. It even has an update with the score.

Otherwise your points are valid
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 20 2012 09:13 GMT
#22
On June 20 2012 14:34 mattchan02 wrote:
Likewise, Teamliquidpro.com does not many ANY news either when any of their players get knocked out, lose show matches or get all-killed in team leagues (which has happened). Why point it out in a community article against EG and never about TL?


There's always been previews and updates regardless of result when it comes to team leagues. I don't think tree.hugger missed a single preview since he started doing them (the ones at TLPro I mean).
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 20 2012 13:21 GMT
#23
On June 20 2012 14:34 mattchan02 wrote:
I was wondering, did anyone else think this article was heavily biased (more so than usual?) pertaining to the EG vs MVP section? When he was making reference to EG not tweeting about the series and IdrA streaming, that just seemed unfair to mention and point out. Sure, even if it was true, it's understandable given media bias. Likewise, Teamliquidpro.com does not many ANY news either when any of their players get knocked out, lose show matches or get all-killed in team leagues (which has happened). Why point it out in a community article against EG and never about TL?

This is completely wrong. We make a very important point out of it to treat our coverage the same win or lose.
Administrator
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
June 20 2012 14:19 GMT
#24
Empire and FXO.CIS are the big two teams from Eastern Europe and their rosters combined contain almost all of the best players from this area.


RoxKis ???
That statement is so wrong, especially the last part.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 20 2012 15:06 GMT
#25
On June 20 2012 22:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 14:34 mattchan02 wrote:
I was wondering, did anyone else think this article was heavily biased (more so than usual?) pertaining to the EG vs MVP section? When he was making reference to EG not tweeting about the series and IdrA streaming, that just seemed unfair to mention and point out. Sure, even if it was true, it's understandable given media bias. Likewise, Teamliquidpro.com does not many ANY news either when any of their players get knocked out, lose show matches or get all-killed in team leagues (which has happened). Why point it out in a community article against EG and never about TL?

This is completely wrong. We make a very important point out of it to treat our coverage the same win or lose.

To be completely fair, EG is also extremely on point about this kinda stuff. The only reason I mentioned it at all, in fact, was because it was such a notable exception.

On June 20 2012 23:19 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
Empire and FXO.CIS are the big two teams from Eastern Europe and their rosters combined contain almost all of the best players from this area.


RoxKis ???
That statement is so wrong, especially the last part.

It says "almost all" with the remainder being in RoX.KIS of course. White-Ra, DIMAGA, and that's pretty much the bunch.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Botanical
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada12 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 15:21:14
June 20 2012 15:19 GMT
#26
Why do the teams who went out in the first and second round of the upper bracket both have to play in the first round of the lower bracket? That's the worst tournament design I've ever seen lol. The teams who lost their first round match (ex. Dignitas and Eclypsia) were rewarded by getting to play against another first round loser in the lower bracket, whereas teams like EG and dtG (who won their 1st round match) are also forced to play in 1st round lower bracket, but against a team who went out in the 2nd round (i.e. a better team), so they are being punished for making it an extra round in the upper bracket. That is really baffling, unless you guys are doing some mysterious never before seen style of bracket which somehow makes sense down the line, then I have to say you kinda messed up here. Any explanation for this?
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37118 Posts
June 20 2012 16:33 GMT
#27
Does anyone know why this is titled "Back to the Future?"

After reading through the write up, I still don't understand
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
June 20 2012 16:53 GMT
#28
On June 20 2012 22:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 14:34 mattchan02 wrote:
I was wondering, did anyone else think this article was heavily biased (more so than usual?) pertaining to the EG vs MVP section? When he was making reference to EG not tweeting about the series and IdrA streaming, that just seemed unfair to mention and point out. Sure, even if it was true, it's understandable given media bias. Likewise, Teamliquidpro.com does not many ANY news either when any of their players get knocked out, lose show matches or get all-killed in team leagues (which has happened). Why point it out in a community article against EG and never about TL?

This is completely wrong. We make a very important point out of it to treat our coverage the same win or lose.


Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Liquid give 0 coverage of that seriously depressing IPL TAC1 where our boys in blue went down 10-1?

Although since that time I don't remember a single time when this has held true. GSTL got covered fully, EGMC was covered, GSL is always covered, NASTL was covered fully (of course) and all the individual leagues are given some sort of coverage when Liquid players are in them, no matter the result.

IPL TAC1 though...
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
June 20 2012 17:58 GMT
#29
IM coach personally made a promise to their facebook fans on their facebook page that IM would win IPL TAC3 right after they got knocked out in GSTL.

I guess we'll find out if he can make it reality.
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
June 20 2012 18:09 GMT
#30
On June 21 2012 00:06 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:19 00Visor wrote:
Empire and FXO.CIS are the big two teams from Eastern Europe and their rosters combined contain almost all of the best players from this area.


RoxKis ???
That statement is so wrong, especially the last part.

It says "almost all" with the remainder being in RoX.KIS of course. White-Ra, DIMAGA, and that's pretty much the bunch.


So "almost all" is pretty much "about half"?
Also its three big teams from Eastern Europe.
Jehnin
Profile Joined June 2011
Belgium7 Posts
June 20 2012 19:54 GMT
#31
Some of the biggest names in the West face elimination in week six, as Empire, EG, Empire, and Mouz are all in Losers' Bracket action.

Empire, EG AND Empire facing elimination ? That's harsh !
Acidosis
Profile Joined April 2011
United States172 Posts
June 20 2012 20:17 GMT
#32
All them 5-4 predictions
“The will to win is not nearly as important as the will to prepare to win.” -BK
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
June 20 2012 20:52 GMT
#33
On June 21 2012 05:17 Acidosis wrote:
All them 5-4 predictions

Shows how close in skill these teams are!
Moderator
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 21 2012 02:28 GMT
#34
its funny because these predictions were so close but so far its been a massacre XD
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
June 21 2012 03:03 GMT
#35
On June 21 2012 01:53 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 22:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On June 20 2012 14:34 mattchan02 wrote:
I was wondering, did anyone else think this article was heavily biased (more so than usual?) pertaining to the EG vs MVP section? When he was making reference to EG not tweeting about the series and IdrA streaming, that just seemed unfair to mention and point out. Sure, even if it was true, it's understandable given media bias. Likewise, Teamliquidpro.com does not many ANY news either when any of their players get knocked out, lose show matches or get all-killed in team leagues (which has happened). Why point it out in a community article against EG and never about TL?

This is completely wrong. We make a very important point out of it to treat our coverage the same win or lose.


Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Liquid give 0 coverage of that seriously depressing IPL TAC1 where our boys in blue went down 10-1?

Although since that time I don't remember a single time when this has held true. GSTL got covered fully, EGMC was covered, GSL is always covered, NASTL was covered fully (of course) and all the individual leagues are given some sort of coverage when Liquid players are in them, no matter the result.

IPL TAC1 though...


IPL TAC1 was sooo long ago, why even bring it up? At that time, TL didn't even do much if any coverage for IPL TAC. And TLPro made many references to their poor showing at IPL TAC1 throughout this year.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
June 21 2012 19:59 GMT
#36
On June 21 2012 12:03 ninjamyst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 01:53 Promethelax wrote:
On June 20 2012 22:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On June 20 2012 14:34 mattchan02 wrote:
I was wondering, did anyone else think this article was heavily biased (more so than usual?) pertaining to the EG vs MVP section? When he was making reference to EG not tweeting about the series and IdrA streaming, that just seemed unfair to mention and point out. Sure, even if it was true, it's understandable given media bias. Likewise, Teamliquidpro.com does not many ANY news either when any of their players get knocked out, lose show matches or get all-killed in team leagues (which has happened). Why point it out in a community article against EG and never about TL?

This is completely wrong. We make a very important point out of it to treat our coverage the same win or lose.


Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Liquid give 0 coverage of that seriously depressing IPL TAC1 where our boys in blue went down 10-1?

Although since that time I don't remember a single time when this has held true. GSTL got covered fully, EGMC was covered, GSL is always covered, NASTL was covered fully (of course) and all the individual leagues are given some sort of coverage when Liquid players are in them, no matter the result.

IPL TAC1 though...


IPL TAC1 was sooo long ago, why even bring it up? At that time, TL didn't even do much if any coverage for IPL TAC. And TLPro made many references to their poor showing at IPL TAC1 throughout this year.


True, I really only brought it up for the sake of completion. I didn't want to leave it out since that did happen.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
noda0001
Profile Joined April 2012
United States16 Posts
June 23 2012 02:13 GMT
#37
ouch. How i met this game!
* FREEDOM *
theinfamousone
Profile Joined February 2011
United States103 Posts
June 23 2012 02:36 GMT
#38
I want to see more Monster play. Literally, maybe 1 of those games was even close. He didn't cheese or all in. He just flat out smacked EG around like red headed step children.
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
June 26 2012 20:25 GMT
#39
IPL team league is steadily turning into something really big, i like it and find my self watching them more often then usual lately
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 33m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech169
UpATreeSC 156
JuggernautJason67
StarCraft: Brood War
White-Ra 202
Dewaltoss 127
Hyuk 74
Bale 17
Dota 2
Gorgc10054
League of Legends
Doublelift1262
Counter-Strike
fl0m1543
Fnx 758
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King92
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby4535
Khaldor1016
crisheroes933
Liquid`Hasu604
Other Games
summit1g6890
FrodaN2340
shahzam393
KnowMe356
XBOCT339
C9.Mang0195
ArmadaUGS137
ZombieGrub28
CosmosSc2 25
Trikslyr24
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV270
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream48
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH361
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2128
Other Games
• imaqtpie857
• Shiphtur293
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 33m
CranKy Ducklings
13h 33m
Online Event
14h 33m
FEL
19h 33m
AI Arena Tournament
20h 33m
BSL: Ladder Tournament
22h 33m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
INu's Battles
1d 15h
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 22h
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 22h
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
3 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
INu's Battles
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.