• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:51
CET 22:51
KST 06:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13
StarCraft 2
General
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win SC2 Proleague Discontinued; SKT, KT, SGK, CJ disband
Tourneys
RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation
Brood War
General
Foreign Brood War BW General Discussion MBCGame Torrents [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Which season is the best in ASL?
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread The Perfect Game
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
Physical Exertion During Gam…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1374 users

Heart of the Swarm Update - Page 9

Forum Index > News
480 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 25 Next All
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 22:36:26
June 08 2012 22:35 GMT
#161
cloak
recall
spider mine
goliath
firebat
defiler-consume, swarm
lurker downgrade
hydra speed

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

protoss looks like it's going to continue to be the race that makes matchups boring
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
June 08 2012 22:35 GMT
#162
On June 09 2012 06:31 Sadistx wrote:
Widow mine:

AKA - we give up on giving terran something to control terrain and we're just going to reintroduce spider mine, because it worked so well in bw.


My thoughts exactly, they just too proud to admit they made a mistake so they call it something else.I thought the same thing about the swarm host when it cam out, they want to give us the lurker but they are too proud to say they made a mistake. Instead lets give them something similar to both the lurker and the brood lord.
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
Xyik
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada728 Posts
June 08 2012 22:36 GMT
#163
SPIDER MINES!!!! but 22 range upgrade for tempest? Pretty ridiculous.
Animal_PL
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland11 Posts
June 08 2012 22:36 GMT
#164
So Terrans are now Transforrmers, so in the HotS store they will discover thanks to some prophecy, that for real they came from Cybertron... I cant belive it. Not enougth that this race will become the most difficult in play, it will also be the most ugly race in the game.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
June 08 2012 22:36 GMT
#165
On June 09 2012 06:38 rufflesQueso wrote:
SC2: Heart of the Swarm or as I like to call it... wanna-be Brood War.

Anywho, I am so excited for the new terran units. Perhaps finally Mech will be viable vs protoss! (Anti-mech missiles seem pretty nice :D)


Wanna-be Brood War...that sounds like a game I'd enjoy playing :D
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Tippecanoe
Profile Joined May 2011
United States342 Posts
June 08 2012 22:37 GMT
#166
On June 09 2012 07:35 mcmartini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 06:31 Sadistx wrote:
Widow mine:

AKA - we give up on giving terran something to control terrain and we're just going to reintroduce spider mine, because it worked so well in bw.


My thoughts exactly, they just too proud to admit they made a mistake so they call it something else.I thought the same thing about the swarm host when it cam out, they want to give us the lurker but they are too proud to say they made a mistake. Instead lets give them something similar to both the lurker and the brood lord.


Takes 8 seconds to blow up, and even dustin himself said he expects pros to take no damage from it.
Dragonspear
Profile Joined April 2011
United States28 Posts
June 08 2012 22:37 GMT
#167
On June 09 2012 07:20 HellNino wrote:
If Warhounds dosen't fire at air, i REALLY hope blizzard dosen't remove the thor...

Or their hope to see more mech play seems very compromised...

And 22 range tempest?! WTF... With an obs they can kill BL when they're still in the zerg base...


Twitter: Khaldor confirmed that Thors are still in game and you can make more than 1.
Nuclear Launch Detected
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
June 08 2012 22:38 GMT
#168
On June 09 2012 07:37 Tippecanoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 07:35 mcmartini wrote:
On June 09 2012 06:31 Sadistx wrote:
Widow mine:

AKA - we give up on giving terran something to control terrain and we're just going to reintroduce spider mine, because it worked so well in bw.


My thoughts exactly, they just too proud to admit they made a mistake so they call it something else.I thought the same thing about the swarm host when it cam out, they want to give us the lurker but they are too proud to say they made a mistake. Instead lets give them something similar to both the lurker and the brood lord.


Takes 8 seconds to blow up, and even dustin himself said he expects pros to take no damage from it.

Dustin Browder, outright admitting he wants to make the game easy.
LeapofFaith
Profile Joined November 2011
United States446 Posts
June 08 2012 22:38 GMT
#169
That looks really sick.
ShivaN
Profile Joined January 2007
United States933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 22:39:19
June 08 2012 22:38 GMT
#170
edit: nvm, someone answered this above.
Broot
Profile Joined February 2012
Ireland6 Posts
June 08 2012 22:38 GMT
#171
Cant wait! :D
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 22:39:24
June 08 2012 22:39 GMT
#172
Recall every three minutes, costing no supply. Don't the changes to protoss encourage turtling and and produce an even stronger deathball?
Tippecanoe
Profile Joined May 2011
United States342 Posts
June 08 2012 22:39 GMT
#173
On June 09 2012 07:38 rift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 07:37 Tippecanoe wrote:
On June 09 2012 07:35 mcmartini wrote:
On June 09 2012 06:31 Sadistx wrote:
Widow mine:

AKA - we give up on giving terran something to control terrain and we're just going to reintroduce spider mine, because it worked so well in bw.


My thoughts exactly, they just too proud to admit they made a mistake so they call it something else.I thought the same thing about the swarm host when it cam out, they want to give us the lurker but they are too proud to say they made a mistake. Instead lets give them something similar to both the lurker and the brood lord.


Takes 8 seconds to blow up, and even dustin himself said he expects pros to take no damage from it.

Dustin Browder, outright admitting he wants to make the game easy.


Yeah which improves my point on the widowmakers being useless just like the warhound and battle hellion.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
June 08 2012 22:39 GMT
#174
spider mines, i'm hard.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
June 08 2012 22:40 GMT
#175
Many of the changes seem really retarded IMHO. 22 range is going to be abused no matter what. Oracle is like a micro-less version of a HT drop. The Mothership core seems to give a "get out of jail" card. Spider Widow mines seems to lose depth when they are actually constructed rather than come equipped to another unit.

I mean, I'm just not feeling anything with many of the changes, although some are nice.
Schmoooopy
Profile Joined July 2011
United States448 Posts
June 08 2012 22:41 GMT
#176
If Thors aren't that hero unit concept from before, and can now be built with warhounds, then I'm pretty excited and I like these changes as Terran. The Reaper change doesn't affect me much; I still won't be building Reapers in game. The widow mine is also intriguing...
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
June 08 2012 22:41 GMT
#177
RIP Siege Tanks 1998 - HOTS Release
Live hard, live free.
Tippecanoe
Profile Joined May 2011
United States342 Posts
June 08 2012 22:42 GMT
#178
On June 09 2012 07:41 Filter wrote:
RIP Siege Tanks 1998 - HOTS Release


Still useful in tvt... i think.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
June 08 2012 22:42 GMT
#179
On June 09 2012 07:40 1ntrigue wrote:
Many of the changes seem really retarded IMHO. 22 range is going to be abused no matter what. Oracle is like a micro-less version of a HT drop. The Mothership core seems to give a "get out of jail" card. Spider Widow mines seems to lose depth when they are actually constructed rather than come equipped to another unit.

I mean, I'm just not feeling anything with many of the changes, although some are nice.

The oracle seems to be countered by one spine-crawler anyway, I think the cloaking ability will be used more often to be honest.
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
June 08 2012 22:42 GMT
#180
if wing of liberty its far away for being balanced... the balance in HOTS seems to be extremely difficult !! Blizzard would need years after all games are released to achieve something close to Starcraft:Broodwar Masterpiece.
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 25 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:15
Best Games of SC
Clem vs Solar
Classic vs Cure
Reynor vs Classic
Solar vs Clem
PiGStarcraft235
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft235
StarCraft: Brood War
Dewaltoss 123
BRAT_OK 69
Free 59
Dota 2
syndereN508
Fuzer 313
capcasts58
Counter-Strike
fl0m5645
Foxcn76
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu472
Khaldor138
Other Games
Grubby6300
tarik_tv5501
DeMusliM526
Mew2King271
C9.Mang0144
Livibee51
ZombieGrub31
Chillindude23
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 76
• davetesta22
• RyuSc2 13
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 11
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler111
League of Legends
• Doublelift1811
• HappyZerGling133
Other Games
• imaqtpie1375
• WagamamaTV392
• Shiphtur160
Upcoming Events
Korean StarCraft League
5h 9m
CranKy Ducklings
12h 9m
WardiTV 2025
14h 9m
SC Evo League
14h 39m
IPSL
19h 9m
Dewalt vs ZZZero
BSL 21
22h 9m
Sziky vs OyAji
Gypsy vs eOnzErG
OSC
1d
Solar vs Creator
ByuN vs Gerald
Percival vs Babymarine
Moja vs Krystianer
EnDerr vs ForJumy
sebesdes vs Nicoract
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 12h
WardiTV 2025
1d 14h
OSC
1d 17h
[ Show More ]
IPSL
1d 19h
Bonyth vs KameZerg
BSL 21
1d 22h
Bonyth vs StRyKeR
Tarson vs Dandy
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
StarCraft2.fi
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV 2025
3 days
StarCraft2.fi
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
4 days
StarCraft2.fi
4 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV 2025
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
WardiTV 2025
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-30
RSL Revival: Season 3
Light HT

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
Acropolis #4 - TS3
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
Kuram Kup
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.