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Shiger
Sweden118 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On April 06 2012 21:48 00Visor wrote: What makes you think that? The only player he beat in more than just 1 Bo3 was jjakji in the IPL showmatch. He has a losing record against almost everyone above him. Judging by skill Hero should be hardly making the Top20. But I guess he gets a bonus because he knowns foreign tournaments and has performed well under these circumstances. Not really. He beat Oz 2-0 in a best of three recently in Oz' best matchup, he beats every zerg in the world frequently. This includes Leenock and NesTea, if you watch his stream. He's also beaten Jjakji in more than just the one Bo5 and beats everyone on his stream. Judging by skill, HerO should be making top 5. The only thing that keeps him from showing his skill at tournaments are his nerves. If you watch him stream, he beats everybody. If anything, the tournament atmosphere is what keeps him down. He hasn't performed well at all at those compared to what he could do. | ||
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On April 06 2012 22:48 DarkLordOlli wrote: Not really. He beat Oz 2-0 in a best of three recently in Oz' best matchup, he beats every zerg in the world frequently. This includes Leenock and NesTea, if you watch his stream. He's also beaten Jjakji in more than just the one Bo5 and beats everyone on his stream. Judging by skill, HerO should be making top 5. The only thing that keeps him from showing his skill at tournaments are his nerves. If you watch him stream, he beats everybody. If anything, the tournament atmosphere is what keeps him down. He hasn't performed well at all at those compared to what he could do. He also got 6-0'd by creator lol who isn't Code S, so HerO is not top 5 in this Power Ranking. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On April 06 2012 22:17 shades7 wrote: MKP shouldn't be #1. MMA is still 10 times the player he is. I'd have parting top 3 as well. MMA will win easily though. Not by recent results no. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On April 06 2012 23:17 opterown wrote: He also got 6-0'd by creator lol who isn't Code S, so HerO is not top 5 in this Power Ranking. That's PvP for you. I'm not saying he should be top 5 in this ranking. I'm saying he could be if it wasn't for his nerves. As it is, his rank is just fine. Recent results show that MKP won everything... yet MMA hasn't been playing anything. Sure MKP is good but if he happens to meet MMA I'm pretty sure it's lights out for him. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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vndods
United States3743 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On April 06 2012 23:27 DarkLordOlli wrote: That's PvP for you. I'm not saying he should be top 5 in this ranking. I'm saying he could be if it wasn't for his nerves. As it is, his rank is just fine. Recent results show that MKP won everything... yet MMA hasn't been playing anything. Sure MKP is good but if he happens to meet MMA I'm pretty sure it's lights out for him. If it was PvP coinflip, I'd've expected it to be 3-3 though. But a 6-0 is pretty telling. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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dyi
United States19 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On April 06 2012 23:47 Fenrax wrote: Question from SC2 noob. Wasnt there a recent poll that said that Toss was the best race by far atm? And now the best Toss in the world is 5th and when I look at the top ELO there are no Protoss at all. How does that fit? I'd say its reasonably balanced atm, but good Protoss players will lose PvP to worse players, tanking their ELO. | ||
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Meaph
Germany53 Posts
keep the work up, cool thing to have! thank you both | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On April 06 2012 23:47 opterown wrote: If it was PvP coinflip, I'd've expected it to be 3-3 though. But a 6-0 is pretty telling. And I bet you didn't see those games. Creator won because he all inned at the perfectly right times. Had he not done that, he would've lost about every single game. So no, that series is the least telling I've seen in a long time. It did show that Creator's decisionmaking was spot on but HerO made almost no mistakes. Just look at their second series - game one is back and forth, HerO is ahead so Creator all ins bringing all his probes and barely wins. Game two, HerO destroys his expansion so Creator does a warp prism + blink all in, forcefields the ramp and wins. Game three was a double proxy gate which Creator countered perfectly. So LOL, that series can't tell you anything. On April 06 2012 23:47 Fenrax wrote: Question from SC2 noob. Wasnt there a recent poll that said that Toss was the best race by far atm? And now the best Toss in the world is 5th and when I look at the top ELO there are no Protoss at all. How does that fit? That's because people like to call imbalances before thinking about ways to counter them. | ||
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KookyMonster
United States311 Posts
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power-overwhelming
Canada306 Posts
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Laplaces_imp
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Hakkesshu
United States78 Posts
On April 07 2012 00:13 DarkLordOlli wrote: And I bet you didn't see those games. Creator won because he all inned at the perfectly right times. Had he not done that, he would've lost about every single game. So no, that series is the least telling I've seen in a long time. It did show that Creator's decisionmaking was spot on but HerO made almost no mistakes. Just look at their second series - game one is back and forth, HerO is ahead so Creator all ins bringing all his probes and barely wins. Game two, HerO destroys his expansion so Creator does a warp prism + blink all in, forcefields the ramp and wins. Game three was a double proxy gate which Creator countered perfectly. So LOL, that series can't tell you anything. LOL. Are you saying PvP is more than just that? You said Creator's decision making is spot on. What does that say about him? Creator's strength is actually late game. I'm not saying Hero is bad, just that Creator should be on the list, considering that he was Prime's Ace for awhile (and probably still is). | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
On April 06 2012 23:27 DarkLordOlli wrote: That's PvP for you. I'm not saying he should be top 5 in this ranking. I'm saying he could be if it wasn't for his nerves. As it is, his rank is just fine. Recent results show that MKP won everything... yet MMA hasn't been playing anything. Sure MKP is good but if he happens to meet MMA I'm pretty sure it's lights out for him. Lights out for MMA? MKP has matched up pretty well against him historically. That matters, psychologically. Hero...he always seems vulnerable. Nerves. All ins. Lapse of concentration. Failure to scout correctly. He's not top 5 in my book, because these things should be considered part of a player's skill. It's not just micro + macro. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On April 07 2012 00:46 Hakkesshu wrote: LOL. Are you saying PvP is more than just that? You said Creator's decision making is spot on. What does that say about him? Creator's strength is actually late game. I'm not saying Hero is bad, just that Creator should be on the list, considering that he was Prime's Ace for awhile (and probably still is). Oh absolutely, don't get me wrong, Creator is a beast. Everyone knows that he's Code S caliber and if HuK makes it into the top 20, Creator should too. My argument was a completely different one. One more thing I'm not sure about is Leenock at rank 4... I just don't think his current form supports that. At least Parting should beat him there. About MMA and MKP, you might be right. I haven't seen their previous games, I just know that MKP's weakest matchup has been TvT while MMA is a beast at it. Yeah he got taken out by Puma but any terran in the world can lose TvT to Puma... artosis said it so it must be true. | ||
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