EPTIEM Sao Paulo, Day One - Victory Road - Page 5
| Forum Index > News |
|
DailYLeet
Germany827 Posts
| ||
|
JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On February 08 2012 16:54 JustPassingBy wrote: Dunno, I think Illusion is kind of overhyped these days. If you look at his past results, he only has a meager bronze medal in which he went through: destiny and incontrol as most notable players... Anyways, should Illusion not finish second in the group, I can't promise I won't have a smug smile on my face. my lips are starting to tickle! | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On February 08 2012 12:52 Corsica wrote: You've clearly never read anything I've ever written then, or you'd know how highly I rate Europeans.I got used to NA writers to forget about EU players and be biased as fuck about such players as Illusion who havent been to any not NA Lans... thats something you have to get used to living here at TL... On topic: Never underestimate DarkForce...people call him DarkHorse for a reason...When he is on top of his game he can kill Koreans... Pred: Supernova 3-0 Darkforce 2-1 Illusion 1-2 Killer 0-3 On February 08 2012 14:45 mvtaylor wrote: It's not beyond nitpicking, it's precisely what I said, and precisely what I meant. This is BEYOND nit picking. Europe and America are in the Western Hemisphere without doubt. Unless the Cold War of East against West had some severe tectonic movement to agree with the dictionary definition... On February 08 2012 23:20 DailYLeet wrote: and bad prediction is wrong after first game :D Sometimes you're right and sometimes you're wrong. DarKFoRcE has a turtly playstyle, which I think is boring, and hope gets picked apart more often as faster and more aggressive players come around. Winning a series 2-1 against Illusion doesn't change much. Notice that I said he's the second favorite to advance from the group. In the for funsies number prediction, I thought he might go 0-3 (3-6). Maybe he'll go 1-2 instead, or maybe he'll go 2-1. But all of the Germans in this thread should probably chill out about it. | ||
|
Finrod1
Germany3997 Posts
| ||
|
jumbotroN
Peru229 Posts
| ||
|
StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
What was not appropriate imho is to present a player as boring and with a poorly researched introduction. I just don't like the picture that is drawn by that. A lot of people who don't know darkforce as well as the european scene might get a completely wrong picture of him. If there are several writers anyways, why not let find a writer for the notes who can actually find a positive word of the player? | ||
|
DeaDoXFighting
Canada115 Posts
| ||
|
InfusedTT.DaZe
Romania693 Posts
gogo europe! | ||
|
Timmeh_Anderson
Germany37 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
|
MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
I think that's why people, and not just germans, get a bit annoyed, the amount of hype attached to players based on what is effectively one week of decent results in online matches. | ||
|
Timmeh_Anderson
Germany37 Posts
| ||
|
TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
 | ||
|
Thombur
95 Posts
On February 09 2012 02:14 mvtaylor wrote: illusion is the first player eliminated from IEM Sao Paulo while darkforce gets through 2-1. Boom, pretty happy given my earlier post in the thread. I think that's why people, and not just germans, get a bit annoyed, the amount of hype attached to players based on what is effectively one week of decent results in online matches. I think a lot of the hype around Illusion is based upon the fact that his playstyle is incredibly fun to watch. I love it at least. Add in that he is pretty good at such a young age and I think he will become a truely great player even if he doesn't have the experience it would require to win LAN events yet. | ||
|
Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
| ||
|
Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
Illusion is very good for 15 year old player, I have no doubt if he keeps playing that he will be top top player in 12-18 months, but people that hype him are doing more hurt than good (like in this thread people flaming him and calling him bad after so much hype because people expect too much from him). I watched his games today first time and he plays very risky in TvZ, not getting tank until 14minute and siege mode until 15min will get destroyed many times with just 2 base baneling bust allins or infestor plays. His micro and macro are good, but (no offence to him or his fans) he is not top player and he probably knows it since he's a smart guy. He isnt far away from it either, but like I said if he keeps practising he will slay some nerds very soon, he should work on his builds mostly since his understanding of the TvZ seems better than his builds in it. | ||
|
MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On February 09 2012 03:45 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: I dont think Illusion deserves hate for people hyping him its not really his fault, casters in general try to hype new players after winning one bo3..too much in my opinion. Illusion is very good for 15 year old player, I have no doubt if he keeps playing that he will be top top player in 12-18 months, but people that hype him are doing more hurt than good (like in this thread people flaming him and calling him bad after so much hype because people expect too much from him). I watched his games today first time and he plays very risky in TvZ, not getting tank until 14minute and siege mode until 15min will get destroyed many times with just 2 base baneling bust allins or infestor plays. His micro and macro are good, but (no offence to him or his fans) he is not top player and he probably knows it since he's a smart guy. He isnt far away from it either, but like I said if he keeps practising he will slay some nerds very soon, he should work on his builds mostly since his understanding of the TvZ seems better than his builds in it. Oh exactly, I don't think anyone here hates illusion, he does what he has to do and plays as best he can in his own style. I think people dislike the amount of hype that gets put on certain players who have only a handful of games on which to back it up, trimaster, goswser, gatored etc. I'm sure we'll see more from him in the future once he has more lan experience and sc2 experience in general while he isn't trying to juggle school and sc2. | ||
|
Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
On February 09 2012 03:58 mvtaylor wrote: Oh exactly, I don't think anyone here hates illusion, he does what he has to do and plays as best he can in his own style. I think people dislike the amount of hype that gets put on certain players who have only a handful of games on which to back it up, trimaster, goswser, gatored etc. I'm sure we'll see more from him in the future once he has more lan experience and sc2 experience in general while he isn't trying to juggle school and sc2. I know I hate the hyping after one tournament or one series as well | ||
|
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On February 09 2012 02:14 mvtaylor wrote: illusion is the first player eliminated from IEM Sao Paulo while darkforce gets through 2-1. Boom, pretty happy given my earlier post in the thread. I think that's why people, and not just germans, get a bit annoyed, the amount of hype attached to players based on what is effectively one week of decent results in online matches. Lets bet on this. I think Illusion will win a major tournament before DarKFoRcE does, and you seem to disagree. Name your terms. On February 09 2012 01:37 OrbitalPlane wrote: Well i was not complaining about the prediction,(even so i don't agree with it). Everyone can has his own opinion about that and it's fine to discuss it, too. And the predictions are predictions so they obviously don't always have to come true. no problem with that... What was not appropriate imho is to present a player as boring and with a poorly researched introduction. I just don't like the picture that is drawn by that. A lot of people who don't know darkforce as well as the european scene might get a completely wrong picture of him. If there are several writers anyways, why not let find a writer for the notes who can actually find a positive word of the player? Name a single thing in my short paragraph on DarKFoRcE that was incorrect, or evidence of poor research. Moreover, my paragraph was plenty positive about DF. Did you read the part where I said he was the second best known in the group, that he was the second most likely to advance? Or did you not read the paragraph at all? O_o I recognize that DF wins a lot of games, but I personally (I think it's abundantly clear that my opinion there was a personal value judgement) think his style is dull, and that he doesn't have the massive upside I see in players like Illusion. I tend to sometimes overvalue a player's potential at the cost of their current form, but I'll stand by my analysis here any day. On February 09 2012 04:19 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: I know I hate the hyping after one tournament or one series as well Beasty top three foreign terran? | ||
|
StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
Name a single thing in my short paragraph on DarKFoRcE that was incorrect, or evidence of poor research. I already did on page 1, but here again special for you: lack of stellar major tournament results is not true and DarKFoRcE's best result yet was his defeat of aLive in the NASL Season 1 finals is arguably wrong too. he has put up quite decent good results in a lot of big tournaments just some examples: He beat several of the best foreigners and best koreans out there on the GeForce tournament and placing 3rd did well at WCG, beating MKP and getting out of the group at both NASL, first placing as the highest foreigner, second one going to the playoffs Yet it's hard to acknowledge that it does achieve above-average results. This sounds very weird to me. what is average results? and what is above-average results? Sounds to me like not very extraordinary. Moreover, my paragraph was plenty positive about DF. the only really positive thing i can find is that he is funny. Did you read the part where I said he was the second best known in the group yes i did, that's more a fact than a positive statement that he was the second most likely to advance? Your prediction was 0:3 so sorry that i don't buy that...Or did you not read the paragraph at all? O_o i actually did, but it seems you did not read my post on page 1. I recognize that DF wins a lot of games, but I personally (I think it's abundantly clear that my opinion there was a personal value judgement) think his style is dull, and that he doesn't have the massive upside I see in players like Illusion. I tend to sometimes overvalue a player's potential at the cost of their current form, but I'll stand by my analysis here any day. I just don't think its the right place to criticize a player. I don't mind if you post it somewhere else but not in the presentation of a player. But that's just my opinion maybe i am the only one who is bothered by that. the prediction is fine fore me. even so a lot of people might disagree thats your good right to say so. (But if you make such a ballsy prediction you should not be surprised if other people have a different opinion. even so here were quite some unfair flames about it tbh) EDIT: Beastyqt Illusion showmatch? i would have to bet on beasty so. :D | ||
|
Timmeh_Anderson
Germany37 Posts
| ||
| ||
![[image loading]](http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/newart/imageh.gif)
