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Sharkyloft
Profile Joined December 2010
Colombia69 Posts
January 16 2012 18:36 GMT
#101
Nailed those predictions.

Gj!!
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
January 16 2012 18:39 GMT
#102
Thanks for the writeup, and thanks Morrow for giving your insights. It's very interesting to see what other pros think about the strategies used in tournaments, and really allows us lower level players to see what you guys are looking for when analyzing, and that helps some of us learn a lot. Huge props for that.

I actually had a different take on the strategy myself-

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Personally I think throwing the proxy hatch down at the natural is less useful than throwing it up at say the top right of the main in cloud kingdom.

The main perks to this are the possible surprise factor, and the more powerful attack to end the game immediately. While it's unlikely that a pro would not scout around their base, proxy hatches in general aren't super common. You also place the hatch somewhere that requires money spent on either units to attack and attempt to kill the hatch, or on cannons that would be placed somewhere that would more than likely not be very useful in later engagements. By sneaking the hatch in, you're also allowing the protoss to put down their natural nexus, and (if all goes well) have it finish, losing 400 minerals of possible defending units.

What I personally do behind this (Diamond Z, so take it for what you will) is tech to roach back at home to make my "scouting" units a more powerful roach instead of ling. This allows me to harass the protoss bases, possibly picking off probes or cannons, and still placing tumors in the base to scout/hinder building placement. In more extreme cases, adding a drone in at the proxy allows for spine crawlers to be morphed, solidifying your position. The final nail in the coffin is the additional push from the front with roaches. While you're making roaches/lings/whatever at the proxy, you've cut drone production low (honestly I don't have the knowledge to say what my drone count is, but it's certainly cut when I feel I can support some roaches/lings from both hatcheries. Probably ends up maxing mineral drones and one extractor, I want to say) and you're just mass producing as many units as possible to keep the protoss from making a unified stand. Your push from your main can usually take out cannons if the toss walled off completely, and if not, you can usually take out some of their production/pylons at that wall.

I'm sure the pro scene knows more about how to handle something like this, and I get the feeling that I get away with the strategy longer than I should be able to, so maybe the last half or so of the strategy isn't really viable at top level play.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
Daehlie
Profile Joined September 2010
United States43 Posts
January 16 2012 19:25 GMT
#103
MC is playing like a beast these days, he will be tough to beat in ro16, and is riding momentum off his foreign tournament wins. He is my dark horse to win the entire event.
SK.MC ftw
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
January 16 2012 20:04 GMT
#104
Crap I just had time to read this
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I had zenio winning and mma but I also picked zenio to advance even though I was coinflipping on the decision between him and gumiho...bah, so close to a perfect bet set!
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
January 16 2012 20:37 GMT
#105
MC is ridiculous, I really, really wish I had seen that game live TT_TT
My religion is Starcraft
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
January 16 2012 22:02 GMT
#106
Morrow is so nice !
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Zelnaga
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 23:26:45
January 16 2012 23:25 GMT
#107
Zenio is so bad lol. That final gam even my nan would have known it was a marine/bunker push.

User was banned for this post.
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
January 17 2012 00:30 GMT
#108
Nice Morrow write up. Please include more pro-analysis in the future!
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