Sometimes, I wish the professional Starcraft II scene worked more like American television. Because if that were the case, HomeStoryCup would have been renewed for twelve more seasons (I'd buy the DVD box set!), franchised into eighteen different languages (¡Copa de la Casa, en vivo!), and we wouldn't have to wait six goddamn months for the next season (oh wait, that happens on American TV, too!). Though we admit we could be living in a much better universe where HSC occurred three times a year, we still welcome back HomeStoryCup for its long awaited fourth installment.
For the unfortunate souls who missed HSC3 last year, you guys are in for a treat. The tournament isn't hosted at a convention center – instead it takes place at TakeSen's apartment in Germany. The tournament seeks to emulate the casual, laid-back atmosphere of LAN parties between a circle of friends, except it throws in $15,000 of prize money to up the competitiveness.
Players play poker, cook barbecue, and chug beers between games. Also, they're free to cast the games on stream any time they want by slipping into the commentator booth: a couch for three in front of a TV screen. Also, there's a bar downstairs (from days before barcraft was called barcraft), where the fans can watch, and the players can descend a flight of stairs down to if they need a round of cheers. One could call it the ultimate ESPORTS reality show, taking place inside a pretty kickass tournament as well. Check out some clips from the previous HSC3, you'll see what I'm talking about.
So sit back, and enjoy the first live event of the year. Even though ESPORTS didn't get to celebrate on December 31st, consider this the overdue party.
Text interviews are cool. With so much time to formulate answers and replies, you often end up with a very well-thought out, intelligent conversation. At the same time, you miss out on the nuances of real conversation. You miss out on instant reactions and the emotions in people's voices, and spontaneous answers that haven't been mulled over for five minutes. Also, text interviews are a bit inefficient. You can get maybe two to three times more answers out of an interviewee by talking to them live than you can via text.
After getting some good interviews out of the Blizzard Cup participants via Skype (transcribed here and here), we decided we should try it again. So here we are, presenting you with our shot at something new: a podcast. We found an interesting guy, tried to ask him some interesting questions, and here's what we ended up with.
HomeStory Cup is the brainchild of one Dennis 'TakeSen' Gehlen, who found the time between being a professional Starcraft II caster and managing the pro-team ALTERNATE's SC2 division to host his own tournament. TakeSen was kind enough to take the time out to talk to us for almost an hour. We talked about serious topics such as the importance of player promotion by tournaments, teams, and media, to silly things like who managed to drink the most at HomeStoryCup III. It's on the long side for an interview, and it's not exactly traditional, but we hope you find it interesting!
Recorded on December 30th, 2011
Starting the New Year with More of the Old: Korea vs the World
by: Waxangel
HomeStory Cup might be all about laid-back fun at first, but by the final day, the focus will inevitably shift back to the tournament and the players competing to cash in on the $15,000 prize pool. When the tournament becomes the focal point, the main story at HomeStory Cup will center around a familiar question from 2011: Can the foreigners defend their home turf?
Unlike most notable tournaments in 2011, HomeStory Cup III protected itself from Korean invasion by making oGs.MC its sole Korean invitee. MC made it all the way to the final three in the tournament, and no one could accuse of him of being merely borrowed credibility. He pulled his weight on the entertainment side as well, fishing away at the poker table and even offering up his services as a caster.
That was six months ago in June of 2011. Since then, the tournament scene has changed considerably, and it seems that even a unique tournament like HomeStory Cup feels the need to open itself up to Korean participants. For their general lack of personality, the quality of play and prestige the Korean pros bring has made them a much desired commodity for anyone trying to hold a noteworthy tournament.
This time around, however, the arrival of the Koreans isn't cause for despair. The Koreans are sending a talented but noticeably shaky line-up, while the rest of the World has some of its best players ready to man the front lines. It could be a golden opportunity for the foreigners to win the first battle of the New Year, and go ahead a point in Starcraft II's most watched rivalry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbfP5SIn0Y This one will never get old.
Wild Cards from Korea
Anything is possible with this line-up of Koreans, as it consists almost entirely of unpredictable players. EG's Puma was originally slated to go, but was forced to drop out due to the GSL Code A qualifiers. That's a shame, because I would pick Puma as the captain of any Korean invasion team due to his consistency in the discipline of traveling the world and taking foreigner money. With twelve Protoss players participating, I thought a top finish for him was all but assured (especially with his Polish kryptonite mouz.Mana not in attendance).
Two other usual suspects in oGsSK.MC and Liquid`HerO will lead the way for Korea, but their success is less assured for the same reason. PvP has been a matchup where foreigners have created the most upsets, and HerO and MC have been victims in the past. Also, the two Protoss' playing out of Incheon are prone to a considerable amount of inconsistency. It's almost guaranteed that MC will win at least one series against a top player so convincingly that shouts of "MC IS BACK!!!!" will flood the forums, only to be silenced by an immensely disappointing loss soon after. The same applies to HerO, although he can't really be "back" since he never really established himself as a consistent player in the first place. Every Protoss fan knows that they should enjoy HerO's spectacular play in the moment, but not count on it in every single game.
As long as we're talking about Protoss wild cards, let's look at JYP. HerO and Puma's good friend was EG's year end acquisition, who was given a warm welcoming present in a trip to Germany (yeah, it's in Krefeld... but at least it's not Hanover, ugh). It's not surprising that someone who talks strategy with HerO regularly and helped pioneer warp-prism style in Korea alongside is good at PvZ. On the other hand, it's perplexing that someone who practices with Puma is the butt of jokes referring to him as the worst PvT in the world. 0 – 11 PvT in the GSL speaks for itself, though he's obviously not that bad. If the upper boundary of success in a match-up is around 70% with a large sample size, then I'm willing to posit that at worst JYP is around a 30% vs Terran player (still pretty goddamn bad). Fortunately for JYP, Terran has the smallest representation in this tournament – but meeting ThorZaIN or even a recently resurgent Naama will probably spell his end.
Photo: Greg Laird Ability: Murloc Shout All Koreans gain +20 showmanship.
Another factor is that this will be his second overseas tournament after IEM Guangzhou in October, where he disappointed by showing some nervous performances. All the credit in the world to DIMAGA for defeating him there, but JYP didn't look anywhere near the same guy who had taken down DRG a month back (he didn't seem to mind the loss though, as his you can see from his twitter profile). In the end, though, he's still a Code S player, which carries an enormous amount of weight. If the guy's not shaking on the GSL stage, I don't expect him to have foreign tournament jitters the second time around. He could be the surprise player to carry the Korean contingent.
Startale's Sound and a teamless viOLet are in the mix as well. Sound is a practical unknown who did well to make it through the qualifiers, but for the most part we have no idea how he is. Though he hasn't made an impact on the Korean scene, he's still a Terran on a Korean pro-team, which carries some weight by itself. And while he will be unfamiliar with the play-styles of many of his opponents, he will at least have the advantage of having that same factor apply to himself. As for viOLet, we're on the cusp of appropriating him as a foreigner alongside his other USA-residing countrymen Rain and Artist.
Finally, we have our craziest wild card Korean in MarineKingPrime, a man who specializes in not winning tournaments and is a top player nonetheless. Capable of dropping what seems like a regular macro build and declaring "I'M ALL-IN!" at any moment he wishes, his play style is as unpredictable as his tournament performances. In the GSL, he fits into any spot between Code A and the Code S finals without a hitch, capable of winning and losing with the rest of 'em. Interestingly enough, he's never been through a period where he's been legitimately "bad" as we can say for other notable GSL finalist MC. MKP is always average at worst, but the height of his performance is highly variable. Another thing to consider with MKP is that he has always underperformed outside of Korea. One would think that a GSL finalist could do better, but top four against a surprisingly shallow ESWC field was the best he could manage. Not only that, but he's been a victim of top tier foreigners as well. Stephano knocked him out of ESWC, HuK dropped him from MLG Orlando, and Kas eliminated him from WCG 2011. So despite being one of the biggest names at the tournament, it's tough to say he's one of the leading candidates to win the championship.
Europe: Narrowing the Gap
Do I dare say this Korean side looks weak, with its inconsistent and unproven players? On the other hand, the foreigner roster is looking strong, even with a few last minute drop-outs.
Stephano is the most notable participant, coming off of an impressive stay in Korea. He earned a spot in the Blizzard Cup after a great performance at iPL3, and he was unlucky to be eliminated from the GSL's final 2011 event after going 2-2 against some of the top competition in the world. After that, he took to streaming on the Korean ladder, where he showed his skill by defeating plenty of Code S class opponents. The thing that might have been most impressive was that his stream was highly popular among Koreans as well, simply on merit of his high level of play and unique play style. Though people debated whether he would make it or not in Code S, many Koreans were sad to see him go before he could answer that question.
Though their Korean-slaying achievements aren't nearly as grand, ThorZaIN and Ret are right up there as well. They might not have been standing at the award podium lately, but the quality of their play has been outstanding. Ret bulldozed through the other foreigners at DreamHack Winter, only to be stopped by eventual champion HerO in the semis. ThorZain is on a tear as well, with a top four finish at NASL S2 followed by a rampage through IPL TAC as he helped carry Mouz to the finals against a slew of Koreans.
...and everyone else
Photo: 7mk I don't speak German, but I can if you like.
Alright, it's actually going to take a long time to go through twenty-something foreigners, so here's a quick run through. In the spirit of HomeStory Cup, this section will be a tad... irreverent. And sadly, I will skip some players. Inappropriate way to respond to my lack of appreciation: complaining in this thread. Appropriate way to respond to my lack of appreciation: Beat some goddamn Koreans.
Nerchio is still looking to make his first big impact at a live event after being talked up for months (though he did win at the surprise hit, Battle in Berlin). DreamHack Winter was disappointing for him, but he's still pointed out by many as one of the European players who's too good not to succeed eventually.
Naama should be the ultimate wild-card on the foreigner side. He made an amazing comeback and DreamHack Winter where he upset ThorZaIN, White-Ra, and Banjo after pretty much falling off the face of the Earth for 11 months. In the HSC4 EU qualifiers, he went through Nerchio, Adelscott, and DIMAGA to win first place. Even so, it's probably too early for him to win it all – I'm more interested in how he will improve after he trains in Korea.
Someone hire MoMan please, he's too funny to be teamless.
Goody, Socke, DarkForce and HasuObs: Good German players who make me wish more Americans were there for them to embarrass. They have marginal upset potential against Koreans (especially PvP), but their overall performances against them hasn't been so great.
On that note: KawaiiRice, Destiny, iNcontrol, and Attero are our non-IdrA NA representatives. Korea-World has evened up a bit, but NA-EU has potential to become the new one-sided relationship in the Starcraft II scene. I hope you guys can prove me wrong!
DIMAGA needs to be more consistent, but he'll always be a threat. Being Ukraine's sole representative in the competitive drinking category of HomeStory Cup might hurt his chances, however.
Grubby is Teflon, nothing the haters throw at him is gonna stick.
Hey, did you guys know NightEnd finished top four at DreamHack? He's pretty good. ClouD and BlinG are also relatively underrated, they're probably going to surprise a few people.
The Banjo has disappointed since MLG Providence, but we still haven't forgotten those performances against Nestea and MVP. One more time!
In Conclusion
Like I said, foreigner victory ahead! The Koreans are outnumbered, and quite possibly 'out-skilled.' But even if they go home without any money, and they have to suffer the horrible shame of defeat (those Korean netizens are going to let them have it), they're probably not going to go away totally empty handed.
If any tournament in the world can dispel the stereotype of the faceless, wordless, Korean prize-hunter, it's HomeStory Cup. No other tournament focuses on the personality of the players quite like HSC, and they'll be aware of the reputation those Korean pros bring. Though it could be tough to get them to cast games (Korean racial attribute: passive -50 in English confidence), we might see some of their genuine character yet. Not everyone has it in them to be an MC, but there are real personalities inside them that the world would love to get to know. If they can do that, and win over our hearts, then maybe that will be the true victory.
I would hope people don't judge the SC2 skill of NA by this tournament. These aren't bad players by any means, they simply don't represent NA in the same way Thorzain, Stephano, Dimaga or Socke represent EU.
Not that that I think this will even be a serious factor seeing how stacked the Korean line up is this year.
Wow guys, the host of this event is called just Take, not "TakeSen". Nobody calls him like that in Germany, lol. It's like calling Tasteless CallMeTasteless, just because his account on some site is called like that. Please fix that in the future.
Also I thought that Sound is playing for Startale and not for TSL. Did he switch teams recently?
On January 04 2012 21:50 Paragleiber wrote: Wow guys, the host of this event is called just Take, not "TakeSen". Nobody calls him like that in Germany, lol. It's like calling Tasteless CallMeTasteless, just because his account on some site is called like that. Please fix that in the future.
Also I thought that Sound is playing for Startale and not for TSL. Did he switch teams recently?
Quoting this for visibility, quite a bit annoying for me as well :>
I don't expect you guys to write this half an hour before, so I don't mind that you haven't mentioned white-ra or demuslim dropping out, for example, but to wax lyrical about naniwa and idra, when they've been known not to be coming (was idra ever confirmed at all?) for a while now is a bit of a blunder.
Wow, Hannover bashing (please write it right) on an american based site
That said, if Homestory IV is as good as the last one, it will be the best Tournament of 2012. I don't care how many esport couches other Tournaments put on Stages!
Oh man be prepared for the shitstorm. TL yet again places mouz (Thorzain in this case) below others, mouz fans will not be happy. Really hope I am wrong here though...
Also yeah Naniwa isn't going... so don't worry mouz people that means Thorzain is top 2 euro here, unless of course they decide Ret is more worthy.
I hope MC gets knocked out early, not because I want him to lose, but because there's more chance he will spend half the weekend casting if he's not playing.
On January 04 2012 22:09 Waxangel wrote: fuuuuuuu tournament that releases full line-ups one day before the tournament
sec while I fix all the stuff
I think it's not TaKe's fault, there are a couple of pro's who dropped out on short notice: HuK, PuMa, IdrA, NaNiWa, White-ra, DemusliM... big names which are probably hard to replace in time...
In my humble opinion i don't think that a korean will win this. MC and MKP are pretty strong, but there are too many foreigns who are capable of beating the Koreans. If some would ask me who will win, I would've said DeMusliM, but now he isn't coming I have to go with Stephano.
Well, whoever will win this cup, it's gonna be a hell of a weekend!
On January 04 2012 22:01 Hypilein wrote: Wow, Hannover bashing (please write it right) on an american based site
My beloved Hometown, nooooo
Some true words about the NA-Server though. And as some of my fellow german countrymen already pointet out: Nobody calls TaKe TakeSen, its quite annoying to read it alle the time
Nerchio is still looking to make his first big impact at a live event after being talked up for months.
He won Battle in Berlin.
True, that's worth noting. I was thinking big more on the scale of DH, IEM, or a more established event. But in retrospect I guess you could say BiB was pretty successful for a first time LAN.
Waxy always so bashful towards the NA scene / players lol. Nonetheless great write-up, thank you.
Personally i would love to see more Gatored in tournaments, everything i've seen so far from him was impressive, but he doesn't really get the attention D:
On January 04 2012 23:09 ZeitgeisT wrote: In my humble opinion i don't think that a korean will win this. MC and MKP are pretty strong, but there are too many foreigns who are capable of beating the Koreans. If some would ask me who will win, I would've said DeMusliM, but now he isn't coming I have to go with Stephano.
Well, whoever will win this cup, it's gonna be a hell of a weekend!
Both MC and MKP will beat the crap out of Stephano if they meet him, in my opinion. After seeing MC vs DRG/Leenock, I think his PvZ's good enough to beat Stephano. Also, his games against Stephano on ladder looked pretty one-sided.
MKP's TvZ is his strongest matchup, and I can imagine him hitting some timings where ling/Infestor just don't cut it.
On January 04 2012 23:18 Elefanto wrote: Waxy always so bashful towards the NA scene / players lol. Nonetheless great write-up, thank you.
Personally i would love to see more Gatored in tournaments, everything i've seen so far from him was impressive, but he doesn't really get the attention D:
gatored said he was focusing on university again in 2012, so it's likely we won't see much of him. so sad, his PvT was so great T_T
This will probably not go down very well, but I feel it's the truth. Last HSC I experienced a constant annoyance or misunderstanding in Take's English pronunciation. I can see how one could mistake some words over and over again, as they tend to stick in your head. However, because many of us learned one or the other language after birth which didn't invlove any English whatsoever - and will find it harder to understand otherwise - I think it's only right to make some effort into improving this, especially in such a well respected tournament as this. And eventually, by doing so, upscaling the overal positive experience of such a tournament.
On January 04 2012 23:09 ZeitgeisT wrote: In my humble opinion i don't think that a korean will win this. MC and MKP are pretty strong, but there are too many foreigns who are capable of beating the Koreans. If some would ask me who will win, I would've said DeMusliM, but now he isn't coming I have to go with Stephano.
Well, whoever will win this cup, it's gonna be a hell of a weekend!
Both MC and MKP will beat the crap out of Stephano if they meet him, in my opinion. After seeing MC vs DRG/Leenock, I think his PvZ's good enough to beat Stephano. Also, his games against Stephano on ladder looked pretty one-sided.
MKP's TvZ is his strongest matchup, and I can imagine him hitting some timings where ling/Infestor just don't cut it.
Stephano did beat MKP 2-0 at ESWC though. But I could imagine that MKP has prepared some specific timing to beat him, like thestc did.
Can't wait for this. HSC III was one of my favorite tournaments last year. The player casting makes it so good.
No Naniwa, idra, HuK,WhiteRa so the top line of foreigners is kinda shady but with Stephano and Thorzaine leading the front. But this makes it even since the Koreans attending are not the top either.
On January 04 2012 23:27 peacenl wrote: This will probably not go down very well, but I feel it's the truth. Last HSC I experienced a constant annoyance or misunderstanding in Take's English pronunciation. I can see how one could mistake some words over and over again, as they tend to stick in your head. However, because many of us learned one or the other language after birth which didn't invlove any English whatsoever - and will find it harder to understand otherwise - I think it's only right to make some effort into improving this, especially in such a well respected tournament as this. And eventually, by doing so, upscaling the overal positive experience of such a tournament.
I'm always pretty impressed by Take's English, actually. It's really hard to speak well for an audience, even in your native language. Doing it in a foreign language is really tough. I agree that every once in a while he says something that is hard to understand, but it's rare enough that I don't think it's such a big deal, and you can get that with native speakers, too.
On January 04 2012 23:27 peacenl wrote: This will probably not go down very well, but I feel it's the truth. Last HSC I experienced a constant annoyance or misunderstanding in Take's English pronunciation. I can see how one could mistake some words over and over again, as they tend to stick in your head. However, because many of us learned one or the other language after birth which didn't invlove any English whatsoever - and will find it harder to understand otherwise - I think it's only right to make some effort into improving this, especially in such a well respected tournament as this. And eventually, by doing so, upscaling the overal positive experience of such a tournament.
I'm always pretty impressed by Take's English, actually. It's really hard to speak well for an audience, even in your native language. Doing it in a foreign language is really tough. I agree that every once in a while he says something that is hard to understand, but it's rare enough that I don't think it's such a big deal, and you can get that with native speakers, too.
Thank you for your response. I sincerely hope I'm one of the few, because I tend to focus more on these things.
Capable of dropping what seems like a regular macro build and declaring "I'M ALL-IN!" at any moment he wishes,
Adidas need to sponsor MKP ASAP.
Awesome write-up, TL's favourite pokemon (sorry Flamewheel, horses don't have souls), although according to the comments it seems I missed the 1.0 version.
As someone who's been watching the SC2 scene from the very beginning, I say you guys should know better than write the Koreans off like that. There hasn't been a single tournament where the Korean representatives underperformed as a whole since that Dreamhack winter 2010 fiasco with TOP and Inca.
Is this every 6 months is it? I think I tuned in to the last one. <edit, read the article, yes I watched the last one> The BBQ and overall atmosphere was fantastic. I recall Huk and MC playing around a lot and ToD did some casting with Rotterdam? <3 (War 3 nostalgia)
I think it was the best SC2 related thing I'd ever watched, just a great lan party and friends feel to it.
I hope darkhydra does well , but i dont think so.He is such a talent barely quallifing for the main event by losing to dimaga in the bronze match :S.Will be interesting to see him play at his first big lan event.Btw for all of you who dont know this already he is pretty yound and by that i mean he is around 14 or 15.
lol. "Grubby is Teflon, nothing the haters throw at him is gonna stick." Too true. When he does badly, no one give a shit. When he wins, people cheer. I think Grubby may be the most loved player outside of Sheth and White-Ra.
I`m really disappointed so many good players canceled their participation just a few days before the event. How is it even possible? Doesn`t everybody have to sign a contract beforehand?
esports Big Brother im coming!<3 the funny thing is that there are people cheering for players even tho its a tournament where you couldnt care less about the winner because its not important there XD cant wait to stalk the players all day long already bought premium of course=)
On January 05 2012 00:53 Coolhwip wrote: Liquipedia says it lasts for 4 days. Are there going to be games everyday or is the first one just players chilling?
There is going to be games everyday.
Day 1: Ro32 Groups A-D Day 2: Ro32 Groups E-H Day 3: Ro16 Groups A-D Day 4: Quarterfinals, Semifinals, 3rd place match and Final.
why oh why are people talking about closing the GAP. seriously get over it! the only way you could compare would be to take the 10 best foreigners vs the 10 best Koreans and they play team elimination with every game being Bo3 to truly see how well they match up!
Korea sends JYP,MKP and MC to hold the flag high, and if they dont win then we will hear about Foreigners being great again.
On January 04 2012 23:18 Elefanto wrote: Waxy always so bashful towards the NA scene / players lol. Nonetheless great write-up, thank you.
Personally i would love to see more Gatored in tournaments, everything i've seen so far from him was impressive, but he doesn't really get the attention D:
gatored said he was focusing on university again in 2012, so it's likely we won't see much of him. so sad, his PvT was so great T_T
Daaaamn, that sucks. He was one of the few NA up and comers (imo), that's a real shame that he didn't go allout in pro gaming.
Hopefully for Sound he knows at least some english and his games do not dissapoint, just imagine how many more fans than other code A/B players he could get from this tournament alone.
Thanks for the writeup, but it does seem very biased. Sure MC, JYP and HerO are all beatable, but there's no way that they aren't favourites for top 3. I don't think they will be top 3, because there's at least 1 top foreigner that I'd give at least a 50/50 chance of knocking them out but they're still the most likely top 3. My predictions for the group stages: Group A
ThorZaIN Socke Nerchio iNcontroL
Group B MarineKing HasuObs viOLet Delphi
I don't know how much viOLet is actually practicing, HasuObs could definitely make it out of this group.
Group C
DIMAGA Attero Adelscott ReaL
I don't know much about ReaL, except that he's Korean and lost to Elfi in a PvP (which doesn't mean much).
Group D
MC ClouD White-Ra (Replacement will be announced soon) Aures
Depends if the replacement is better than ClouD or not.
Group E
JYP DarkHydra (Replacement for DeMusliM) DarKFoRcE BlinG DarKFoRcE will be way too distracted to win a game.
On January 04 2012 21:54 s.a.y wrote: How did Banjo get his nickname?
Looking forward to my new favorite time waster.
Bonjwa -> Banjo, other than that I don't really know.
Its from Reddit. I don't know why teamliquid stole it though.
But it's not from Reddit. I don't know why Reddit stole it though.
It's not from Reddit or Teamliquid.
Like all original things on the internet, it's from 4chan. Banjo is a frequent visitor/poster in /v/, and his nickname came to be Banjo... because he kinda sucked for a long time, and there were rumors of him losing to medium AI (lol). Anyway it's a play on bonjovi.
Now Banjo is like the biggest name on /v/ and pretty much all of 4chan cheers him at every event. Kinda like Sheth or Hero for TL.
I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
Player are humans like everyone else is. I like the idea that they can have fun at the HSC even if they get kicked out in the group stage. Why shouldnt they drink? I enjoy this event more than any other, because there the players, behave like normal people and enjoy themselves!
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
I'm pretty sure you're the only one who doesn't like it.
On January 05 2012 07:06 neocron wrote: ... Player are humans like everyone else is. I like the idea that they can have fun at the HSC even if they get kicked out in the group stage. Why shouldnt they drink? I enjoy this event more than any other, because there the players, behave like normal people and enjoy themselves!
Of course they are. Im not saying that they should not drink. I was young too, but that was long time ago :-). Im just saying it should not be presented as main information connected with HSC. I prefer to think about this tournament as a meeting of friends and not as alcohol marathon with wasted players. And looking for such "interesting" information is in my opinion wrong.
shit, the due date on my BA thesis is 12th of january and i still need to write 25 pages. lets see how i get this "must watch" and the "must write" combined/controlled/sorted out.
i would have loved to see Millenium's Feast playing, he's on fire these days ( 2 IEM qualifier taken )... and he's from belgium the country next door so no jet lag what so ever...
On January 05 2012 07:44 Semtext wrote: shit, the due date on my BA thesis is 12th of january and i still need to write 25 pages. lets see how i get this "must watch" and the "must write" combined/controlled/sorted out.
I need to write 10 pages for the 9th about the "truth in logic", and still don't have a plan :'( i hate SC2 !!!!
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
I'm pretty sure you're the only one who doesn't like it.
Good luck unique snowflake!
No, he is for sure not the only person who is not interested at all in seeing people get totally drunk. I would probably turn off too in that case because it would be just annoying. I do like the dating idea though as long as they don't force anybody to participate (forcing also meaning talking into it like the dance thing which DarkForce surely did not really want to do).
HSC will always have a special place in my heart as one of the premiere tournaments! I really hope we see incontrol do well, JYP and I would LOVE to see a revival of thorzain because he has been so quiet these last few months!
I think MC has this, he looks to be back on the road with his latest results against top players in korea. and these players here certainly are mostly no real competiton for the "President".
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
If you're not interested..don't watch it. There are plenty of other tournaments where players just play and somebody wins and then everybody leaves.Take will run it how he wants to. Plenty of people drink and enjoy drinking at all ages. If you're looking for a bible study between matches start your own tournament.
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
It's a legit concern; we weren't really sure what direction we were going in when we decided "let's do a podcast." It could be something more casual and laid back like a talk show, or it could be something more serious like an interview on a news program. Still working on the direction.
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
If you're not interested..don't watch it. There are plenty of other tournaments where players just play and somebody wins and then everybody leaves.Take will run it how he wants to. Plenty of people drink and enjoy drinking at all ages. If you're looking for a bible study between matches start your own tournament.
Im not against drinking. The whole concept of HSC is to show players relaxed and such. And if they want drink they should, if they want drink a lot they have the right to do it. Im against concentrating on this. Im against making amounts of alcohol drank there by this player or that player the big news.
Great Interview.. I think a MUST listen. Great points about the industry, I have been thinking this way for a while. The players are the stars! I love Husky because he in really interested in the games.. but he makes the players the STARS and really promotes them for me. I love players that have big personalities. Like Idra and Destiny and Morrow... just everyone, if we get to know them more. It is them we get to watch and follow. For eSports we all need to get behind the players. They are the key to the success of growing eSports... along with view ability of the games themselves. As these things improve eSports is unstoppable.
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
If you're not interested..don't watch it. There are plenty of other tournaments where players just play and somebody wins and then everybody leaves.Take will run it how he wants to. Plenty of people drink and enjoy drinking at all ages. If you're looking for a bible study between matches start your own tournament.
Im not against drinking. The whole concept of HSC is to show players relaxed and such. And if they want drink they should, if they want drink a lot they have the right to do it. Im against concentrating on this. Im against making amounts of alcohol drank there by this player or that player the big news.
Did you watch past HSC's? Where was the "concentration on alcohol"!? All I know is they showed a lot of games. You're quite successful in taking the fun out of everything, blowing a non-existent issue out of proportion. The first hint is that Hot_bid threw in the couple of extra questions. Second, don't act like since beta it all has been about sex & drugs. Sotg has one drunk episode in a year. Big deal!
Very nice. I haven't watched or played any starcraft 2 since dreamhack winter because I needed a break from it. I wont miss this however, this is probably the most fun tournament out there.
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
If you're not interested..don't watch it. There are plenty of other tournaments where players just play and somebody wins and then everybody leaves.Take will run it how he wants to. Plenty of people drink and enjoy drinking at all ages. If you're looking for a bible study between matches start your own tournament.
Im not against drinking. The whole concept of HSC is to show players relaxed and such. And if they want drink they should, if they want drink a lot they have the right to do it. Im against concentrating on this. Im against making amounts of alcohol drank there by this player or that player the big news.
Did you watch past HSC's? Where was the "concentration on alcohol"!? All I know is they showed a lot of games. You're quite successful in taking the fun out of everything, blowing a non-existent issue out of proportion. The first hint is that Hot_bid threw in the couple of extra questions. Second, don't act like since beta it all has been about sex & drugs. Sotg has one drunk episode in a year. Big deal!
Please read my comments carefully. Im full of respect for Take for what he did and how he did it. I watched almost whole HSC 3. My comments are about asking Take about controversial stuff from "behind the scenes" like, who was drunk, who was wasted, etc. This is wrong in my opinion.
As for SotG, maybe it was one episode, and to be honest drinking, chatting and answering community questions its great as long as you do it "with head". Drinking as "show off", "to be cool", "to prove someone that he is really drinking", etc. it not what I want to see. This is not what I want hear about. I consider all the esport stars as a role models and I expect they should try to act as ones. Or at least do not give bad example and that what iNcontroL did (not the drinking but the show off part) was bad example in my opinion.
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
If you're not interested..don't watch it. There are plenty of other tournaments where players just play and somebody wins and then everybody leaves.Take will run it how he wants to. Plenty of people drink and enjoy drinking at all ages. If you're looking for a bible study between matches start your own tournament.
Im not against drinking. The whole concept of HSC is to show players relaxed and such. And if they want drink they should, if they want drink a lot they have the right to do it. Im against concentrating on this. Im against making amounts of alcohol drank there by this player or that player the big news.
Did you watch past HSC's? Where was the "concentration on alcohol"!? All I know is they showed a lot of games. You're quite successful in taking the fun out of everything, blowing a non-existent issue out of proportion. The first hint is that Hot_bid threw in the couple of extra questions. Second, don't act like since beta it all has been about sex & drugs. Sotg has one drunk episode in a year. Big deal!
Please read my comments carefully. Im full of respect for Take for what he did and how he did it. I watched almost whole HSC 3. My comments are about asking Take about controversial stuff from "behind the scenes" like, who was drunk, who was wasted, etc. This is wrong in my opinion.
As for SotG, maybe it was one episode, and to be honest drinking, chatting and answering community questions its great as long as you do it "with head". Drinking as "show off", "to be cool", "to prove someone that he is really drinking", etc. it not what I want to see. This is not what I want hear about. I consider all the esport stars as a role models and I expect they should try to act as ones. Or at least do not give bad example and that what iNcontroL did (not the drinking but the show off part) was bad example in my opinion.
progamers are not role models and they dont have any obligation to act as ones. if you are disturbed by it you can just not watch instead of randomly complaining and blowing things out of proportion for the sake of attention whoring.
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
If you're not interested..don't watch it. There are plenty of other tournaments where players just play and somebody wins and then everybody leaves.Take will run it how he wants to. Plenty of people drink and enjoy drinking at all ages. If you're looking for a bible study between matches start your own tournament.
Im not against drinking. The whole concept of HSC is to show players relaxed and such. And if they want drink they should, if they want drink a lot they have the right to do it. Im against concentrating on this. Im against making amounts of alcohol drank there by this player or that player the big news.
Did you watch past HSC's? Where was the "concentration on alcohol"!? All I know is they showed a lot of games. You're quite successful in taking the fun out of everything, blowing a non-existent issue out of proportion. The first hint is that Hot_bid threw in the couple of extra questions. Second, don't act like since beta it all has been about sex & drugs. Sotg has one drunk episode in a year. Big deal!
Please read my comments carefully. Im full of respect for Take for what he did and how he did it. I watched almost whole HSC 3. My comments are about asking Take about controversial stuff from "behind the scenes" like, who was drunk, who was wasted, etc. This is wrong in my opinion.
As for SotG, maybe it was one episode, and to be honest drinking, chatting and answering community questions its great as long as you do it "with head". Drinking as "show off", "to be cool", "to prove someone that he is really drinking", etc. it not what I want to see. This is not what I want hear about. I consider all the esport stars as a role models and I expect they should try to act as ones. Or at least do not give bad example and that what iNcontroL did (not the drinking but the show off part) was bad example in my opinion.
progamers are not role models and they dont have any obligation to act as ones. if you are disturbed by it you can just not watch instead of randomly complaining and blowing things out of proportion for the sake of attention whoring.
But they could be ...
Of course it blown out of proportion. Im do not imply that all players will get drunk and such. I know that they wont. I simply do not want HSC to be consider as tournament where alcohol plays the main part and is the main attention magnet for community (which I know is not ... at least not yet).
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
If you're not interested..don't watch it. There are plenty of other tournaments where players just play and somebody wins and then everybody leaves.Take will run it how he wants to. Plenty of people drink and enjoy drinking at all ages. If you're looking for a bible study between matches start your own tournament.
Im not against drinking. The whole concept of HSC is to show players relaxed and such. And if they want drink they should, if they want drink a lot they have the right to do it. Im against concentrating on this. Im against making amounts of alcohol drank there by this player or that player the big news.
Did you watch past HSC's? Where was the "concentration on alcohol"!? All I know is they showed a lot of games. You're quite successful in taking the fun out of everything, blowing a non-existent issue out of proportion. The first hint is that Hot_bid threw in the couple of extra questions. Second, don't act like since beta it all has been about sex & drugs. Sotg has one drunk episode in a year. Big deal!
Please read my comments carefully. Im full of respect for Take for what he did and how he did it. I watched almost whole HSC 3. My comments are about asking Take about controversial stuff from "behind the scenes" like, who was drunk, who was wasted, etc. This is wrong in my opinion.
As for SotG, maybe it was one episode, and to be honest drinking, chatting and answering community questions its great as long as you do it "with head". Drinking as "show off", "to be cool", "to prove someone that he is really drinking", etc. it not what I want to see. This is not what I want hear about. I consider all the esport stars as a role models and I expect they should try to act as ones. Or at least do not give bad example and that what iNcontroL did (not the drinking but the show off part) was bad example in my opinion.
progamers are not role models and they dont have any obligation to act as ones. if you are disturbed by it you can just not watch instead of randomly complaining and blowing things out of proportion for the sake of attention whoring.
But they could be ...
Of course it blown out of proportion. Im do not imply that all players will get drunk and such. I know that they wont. I simply do not want HSC to be consider as tournament where alcohol plays the main part and is the main attention magnet for community (which I know is not ... at least not yet).
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
If you're not interested..don't watch it. There are plenty of other tournaments where players just play and somebody wins and then everybody leaves.Take will run it how he wants to. Plenty of people drink and enjoy drinking at all ages. If you're looking for a bible study between matches start your own tournament.
Im not against drinking. The whole concept of HSC is to show players relaxed and such. And if they want drink they should, if they want drink a lot they have the right to do it. Im against concentrating on this. Im against making amounts of alcohol drank there by this player or that player the big news.
Did you watch past HSC's? Where was the "concentration on alcohol"!? All I know is they showed a lot of games. You're quite successful in taking the fun out of everything, blowing a non-existent issue out of proportion. The first hint is that Hot_bid threw in the couple of extra questions. Second, don't act like since beta it all has been about sex & drugs. Sotg has one drunk episode in a year. Big deal!
Please read my comments carefully. Im full of respect for Take for what he did and how he did it. I watched almost whole HSC 3. My comments are about asking Take about controversial stuff from "behind the scenes" like, who was drunk, who was wasted, etc. This is wrong in my opinion.
As for SotG, maybe it was one episode, and to be honest drinking, chatting and answering community questions its great as long as you do it "with head". Drinking as "show off", "to be cool", "to prove someone that he is really drinking", etc. it not what I want to see. This is not what I want hear about. I consider all the esport stars as a role models and I expect they should try to act as ones. Or at least do not give bad example and that what iNcontroL did (not the drinking but the show off part) was bad example in my opinion.
progamers are not role models and they dont have any obligation to act as ones. if you are disturbed by it you can just not watch instead of randomly complaining and blowing things out of proportion for the sake of attention whoring.
But they could be ...
Of course it blown out of proportion. Im do not imply that all players will get drunk and such. I know that they wont. I simply do not want HSC to be consider as tournament where alcohol plays the main part and is the main attention magnet for community (which I know is not ... at least not yet).
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
If you're not interested..don't watch it. There are plenty of other tournaments where players just play and somebody wins and then everybody leaves.Take will run it how he wants to. Plenty of people drink and enjoy drinking at all ages. If you're looking for a bible study between matches start your own tournament.
Im not against drinking. The whole concept of HSC is to show players relaxed and such. And if they want drink they should, if they want drink a lot they have the right to do it. Im against concentrating on this. Im against making amounts of alcohol drank there by this player or that player the big news.
Did you watch past HSC's? Where was the "concentration on alcohol"!? All I know is they showed a lot of games. You're quite successful in taking the fun out of everything, blowing a non-existent issue out of proportion. The first hint is that Hot_bid threw in the couple of extra questions. Second, don't act like since beta it all has been about sex & drugs. Sotg has one drunk episode in a year. Big deal!
Please read my comments carefully. Im full of respect for Take for what he did and how he did it. I watched almost whole HSC 3. My comments are about asking Take about controversial stuff from "behind the scenes" like, who was drunk, who was wasted, etc. This is wrong in my opinion.
As for SotG, maybe it was one episode, and to be honest drinking, chatting and answering community questions its great as long as you do it "with head". Drinking as "show off", "to be cool", "to prove someone that he is really drinking", etc. it not what I want to see. This is not what I want hear about. I consider all the esport stars as a role models and I expect they should try to act as ones. Or at least do not give bad example and that what iNcontroL did (not the drinking but the show off part) was bad example in my opinion.
progamers are not role models and they dont have any obligation to act as ones. if you are disturbed by it you can just not watch instead of randomly complaining and blowing things out of proportion for the sake of attention whoring.
Progamers have a ton of young fans who idolize them, so how are progamers not role models exactly?
A role model doesn't always act like it, but that's not the criteria of the definition however.
That said, there should be nothing wrong with relaxing with a bit of alcohol.
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
If you're not interested..don't watch it. There are plenty of other tournaments where players just play and somebody wins and then everybody leaves.Take will run it how he wants to. Plenty of people drink and enjoy drinking at all ages. If you're looking for a bible study between matches start your own tournament.
Im not against drinking. The whole concept of HSC is to show players relaxed and such. And if they want drink they should, if they want drink a lot they have the right to do it. Im against concentrating on this. Im against making amounts of alcohol drank there by this player or that player the big news.
Did you watch past HSC's? Where was the "concentration on alcohol"!? All I know is they showed a lot of games. You're quite successful in taking the fun out of everything, blowing a non-existent issue out of proportion. The first hint is that Hot_bid threw in the couple of extra questions. Second, don't act like since beta it all has been about sex & drugs. Sotg has one drunk episode in a year. Big deal!
Please read my comments carefully. Im full of respect for Take for what he did and how he did it. I watched almost whole HSC 3. My comments are about asking Take about controversial stuff from "behind the scenes" like, who was drunk, who was wasted, etc. This is wrong in my opinion.
As for SotG, maybe it was one episode, and to be honest drinking, chatting and answering community questions its great as long as you do it "with head". Drinking as "show off", "to be cool", "to prove someone that he is really drinking", etc. it not what I want to see. This is not what I want hear about. I consider all the esport stars as a role models and I expect they should try to act as ones. Or at least do not give bad example and that what iNcontroL did (not the drinking but the show off part) was bad example in my opinion.
progamers are not role models and they dont have any obligation to act as ones. if you are disturbed by it you can just not watch instead of randomly complaining and blowing things out of proportion for the sake of attention whoring.
Progamers have a ton of young fans who idolize them, so how are progamers not role models exactly?
A role model doesn't always act like it, but that's not the criteria of the definition however.
That said, there should be nothing wrong with relaxing with a bit of alcohol.
since it was a direct answer to that guy my point was not saying progamers don't fit in the criteria of the definition of role model, rather about the fact they don't have any obligation to act as a perfect and clean role model, like a politician should. being a progamer is not a job that carries that much responsibility and we are still supposed to have fun as most young people would.
On January 05 2012 06:57 MrPuff wrote: I listen to the interview and I just wonder why there were so many questions about alcohol, drinking and any "after party" scandal situations. And the "dating idea" ... Lets convince Take to make a room were they can "do it" and stream this with commentary. Yea that's what community want. Someone watched to much MTv or something... I really hope that Im not the only one who doesnt like that idea.
Even though Take himself agreed that HSC is something like "Big Brother" this show should not be about how wasted was some player next day or something like that. I really do not like the hype about how much alcohol the players will drink there, I dont care how much bear and vodka will be bought for HSC when 15k viewers will be reached as mention by Mr.Bitter or Rotti on US qualifiers for HSC played on esl.tv . A really do not like the alcohol and sex issues connected to esport as a whole, like for example the "lap dance" stream by Take some long time ago or even the SotG 60 with inControl drinking quite a lot wine at once and open another bottle. Sorry but that was impressive to whom ... some 14-years old maybe (I know there a lot of you, 14-years old sc2 fans out there, and I know that you did much worse things than this, but still ... ).
But back to topic. I have three levels of spending time with friends: hanging with friends (little to nothing alcohol), party (sure amounts of alcohol) and party hard (no comments on that one). I consider the HSC as a tournament right between level 1 and 2, all thought it may be a little bit more for some, but it would be wrong if such information spread. And so in my opinion every question about who was drunk, who puke, etc. are dropping the TL staff member who do that to a "News of the World" tabloid journalist level looking for something "interesting", while TL as a whole is as Times/Forbes of sc2 scene (and esport in general).
If you're not interested..don't watch it. There are plenty of other tournaments where players just play and somebody wins and then everybody leaves.Take will run it how he wants to. Plenty of people drink and enjoy drinking at all ages. If you're looking for a bible study between matches start your own tournament.
Im not against drinking. The whole concept of HSC is to show players relaxed and such. And if they want drink they should, if they want drink a lot they have the right to do it. Im against concentrating on this. Im against making amounts of alcohol drank there by this player or that player the big news.
Did you watch past HSC's? Where was the "concentration on alcohol"!? All I know is they showed a lot of games. You're quite successful in taking the fun out of everything, blowing a non-existent issue out of proportion. The first hint is that Hot_bid threw in the couple of extra questions. Second, don't act like since beta it all has been about sex & drugs. Sotg has one drunk episode in a year. Big deal!
Please read my comments carefully. Im full of respect for Take for what he did and how he did it. I watched almost whole HSC 3. My comments are about asking Take about controversial stuff from "behind the scenes" like, who was drunk, who was wasted, etc. This is wrong in my opinion.
As for SotG, maybe it was one episode, and to be honest drinking, chatting and answering community questions its great as long as you do it "with head". Drinking as "show off", "to be cool", "to prove someone that he is really drinking", etc. it not what I want to see. This is not what I want hear about. I consider all the esport stars as a role models and I expect they should try to act as ones. Or at least do not give bad example and that what iNcontroL did (not the drinking but the show off part) was bad example in my opinion.
progamers are not role models and they dont have any obligation to act as ones. if you are disturbed by it you can just not watch instead of randomly complaining and blowing things out of proportion for the sake of attention whoring.
Progamers have a ton of young fans who idolize them, so how are progamers not role models exactly?
A role model doesn't always act like it, but that's not the criteria of the definition however.
That said, there should be nothing wrong with relaxing with a bit of alcohol.
since it was a direct answer to that guy my point was not saying progamers don't fit in the criteria of the definition of role model, rather about the fact they don't have any obligation to act as a perfect and clean role model, like a politician should. being a progamer is not a job that carries that much responsibility and we are still supposed to have fun as most young people would.
Did you not see that I do not forbid you or anyone to drink alcohol. More, I do not forbid you or anyone to drink alcohol on HSC, and finally I do not forbid you or anyone to get wasted on HSC. You should have fun there the way you like and you will have. But doing such thing in front of a camera is a bad example and I would not want to see that. Also I criticized TL staff member for asking Take such questions. I know that HSC has a unique atmosphere and all, but no one is asking Carmac who drank to much on any of after parties of IEM,etc.
Im just repeating myself here but "I simply do not want HSC to be consider as tournament where alcohol plays the main part and is the main attention magnet for community" because it is a way more.
This is an astonishing tournament, to get all those great players and watch them duke it out is a brilliant show. I realy like that the players cast too, its realy fun to listen to some more "quiet" players cast from their perspective.
However I must give some criticism about the casting. Please announce who is actually casting, I dont recognize all the voices of the players and if you start watching in the middle of a series you have no idea who is casting. I realy wana know and the chat has a tendency to sometimes become like the Matrix
Can someone link to something usefull? Whenever I open a HSC stream there is some annoying german or 3 fatass nerds talking. I need a match schedule.
Is there any way so we can just watch the games? Without watching these nerds talking for like an hour?? I bet there is always a game going on, but instead of showing it, these fatass nerds prefer to talk about crap all the time...
I watched that taketv for almost an hour and I haven't seen a single game...
Great preview in my opinion. Went to Krefeld yesterday and had a lot of fun in the pub with other barcrafters. Collected some signatures on my StarCraft II copy and had some cool time overall. Can't wait for HSC V where I'll stay all the time.
When will TL articles stop hyping up foreigners vs koreans? To say that MC, MKP et al are 'out-skilled' in this lineup is pretty ridiculous, and the ro8 lineup is only surprising because there are 2 foreigners instead of 1. Foreign pride is great so long as it doesn't fly in the face of evidence, which it predominantly does.
i want to thank Takesen, Team Liquid, and all the amazing progamers that has given mi distraction in this difficult times that im going through. My father is in his last days and this has been my only escape route from time to time. A big applause to all people that made this tournament unforgetable
On January 08 2012 10:49 kirdie wrote: The casts itself were great but the lag/pauses/freezes made it unwatchable for a long period of time unfortunately.
Dont blame the cup for your bad internet connection. Days 1-3 were almost lagless for me.
On January 09 2012 05:27 NipponBanzai wrote: "The Koreans are outnumbered, and quite possibly 'out-skilled.'"
Everytime I look back on these previews, I always have a little giggle :D.
I think there should be a rule that nobody should ever publicly underestimate the Koreans like this ever again it just jinxes everything and the Korean's dominate just to make you look silly.
I remember SotG predicting a Korean wouldn't make top 3 at a tournament. (I think dreamhack winter? I forget) and then Koreans dominated that to.
Great tournament overall. Loved it. <3 The predictions were almost completely off, but I would have stated something similar. It´s not at all unreasonable to assume a strong performance by the non-koreans.Well, never underestimate those koreans.
On January 09 2012 22:31 Waxangel wrote: well, fuck
Well, to be fair, at least this part came true.
If any tournament in the world can dispel the stereotype of the faceless, wordless, Korean prize-hunter, it's HomeStory Cup. No other tournament focuses on the personality of the players quite like HSC, and they'll be aware of the reputation those Korean pros bring. Though it could be tough to get them to cast games (Korean racial attribute: passive -50 in English confidence), we might see some of their genuine character yet. Not everyone has it in them to be an MC, but there are real personalities inside them that the world would love to get to know. If they can do that, and win over our hearts, then maybe that will be the true victory.
This was one of the most entertaining tournaments I've seen yet. It drove me nuts that it took them forever to make VODs available but other than that it was great. It was such a fun tournament to watch. I really enjoyed the casting by many of the pro gamers. If you missed the games MC and MKP cast together, you have to check them out. You can find the list of VODs on Liquipedia here:
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