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January 6th, 2011 05:32 GMT
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Groups F and H Results
and Recap


Battle Reports

Not Like the Others

Round of 16 Matches and
Predictions
By ]343[, l10f and flamewheel

We've got a new banner! We've got a new banner! As usual, disciple knows exactly what's up. You see, at first I thought disciple was going to replace Flash with Bisu. But after he sent me these banners, I realized that these were perfect. No predictions, no saying who's going to take this MSL now. Even though the PDPop MSL Round of 16 consists of three terran, four protoss, and nine zerg, the title's still up for grabs. After all, ZvZ is a coin flip, upsets are prevalent this season, and the best remaining players still have to make it through everybody else before they face off in the finals. Even through all this, because of the Round of 16 matchups we could be possibly seeing six or seven zergs in the Round of 8, but let's hope it doesn't get to that now.

Perhaps we're due for another revolution. This last week of the Round of 32 brought in more strong players, players that probably will make it to the semifinals at least, and notably the Protoss player who is most known for cutting through the swarm. The Round of 32 is done, the Round of 16 is here. It's time to move along. With battle reports, previews for the Round of 16, and a special piece on fOrGG, the MSL team is ready to move on to the BoX stages of the PDPop MSL.

Groups F and H Results and Recap

Once again, only one zerg qualified this week! ...And it was HoGiL. Luckily though, this means that two Protoss and a Terran were added to the Ro16 roster. And sorely needed were they. Though we possibly could have had two Terrans and two Protoss advance, fOrGG retired, cutting out some potential hilarity from Group F. Though we don't have any Battle Reports from Group F since the games of Group H were far better, here's a consolation prize:

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Midas no like DT.

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Midas happy!

And I guess we should take a look at the results. If you haven't kept up, the full R&S thread is here.

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Group F: (12/30 17:00 KST)
Due to fOrGG's sudden retirement his matches are to be forfeit.
(Z)HoGiL 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 16
(T)Midas 1-1 ► Advances to Round of 16
(P)PerfectMan 0-2 Eliminated
(T)fOrGG Retired Eliminated

[VOD] (T)fOrGG < Dante's Peak > (P)PerfectMan
[VOD] (Z)HoGiL < Triathlon > (T)Midas
[VOD] (P)PerfectMan < Benzene > (Z)HoGiL
[VOD] (T)fOrGG < Benzene > (T)Midas
[VOD] (P)PerfectMan < Circuit Breaker > (T)Midas

Group H: (12/30 19:30 KST)
(P)Bisu 2-0 ► Advances to Round of 16
(P)Kal 2-1 ► Advances to Round of 16
(Z)Shine 1-2 Eliminated
(T)Really 0-2 Eliminated

[VOD] (P)Kal < Benzene > (T)Really
[VOD] (Z)Shine < Circuit Breaker > (P)Bisu
[VOD] (P)Kal < Dante's Peak > (P)Bisu
[VOD] (T)Really < Dante's Peak > (Z)Shine
[VOD] (P)Kal < Triathlon > (Z)Shine


As usual, we dug through the good games to find the good ones. And by dug through, I mean there were 8 games this week. So we chose the ones of Group H. Let's talk about Bisu, Shine, and Kal. And Really. Between the four of them, I'd say four out of five were good games, and three out of five were worth watching. We've brought you two here, since Shine vs Bisu has probably been discussed to death by now.

Battle Reports
By l10f

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Group H Set 1: (P)Kal < Benzene > (T)Really

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Kal starts @ 7 o'clock as the Violet Protoss and Really starts @ 1 o'clock as the Yellow Terran. Really holds a really good head-to-head record against Kal, but his TvP seems to be shaky lately. Even the start isn't good for him as he starts off standard, building a factory before expanding against gateway FE.

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Long rush distance favors greedy builds.

Kal gets an early 2nd gas and builds a robotics facility. Kal pressures with few units, and preventing any scv from leaving Really's base. Really pushes out with four marines and three tanks, but Kal brilliantly uses his zealot as meat shield and kills two tanks. Really decides to get a lot of vultures off of two factories while getting a starport.

Really pushes out and gets a good spot behind Kal's natural with his tanks, but Kal uses his reavers to kill the tanks. He even drops a reaver on top of mines and picks it up when they explode, killing only the tank and not the reaver. Really knows he is now very behind, and tries to harass with vultures, killing a lot of probes and damaging a lot of dragoons.

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Super gosu micro killing tank with mines without losing reaver!

Kal expands and brings his units to Really's entrance while harassing with his shuttle and reaver. Even though Really kills the shuttle with a wraith, he deals poorly with the reaver, letting it get 14 kills before falling. Really follows up with his own expansion, but Kal attacks it and kills it. Really has been focusing on making vultures so his tank count is very low. Kal just simply moves in with his dragoon army and kills a lot of tanks at Really's natural.

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10 minutes into the game and the only defense at his expansion is 2 tanks and some mines.

Really tries to come back into the game with dropships, but Kal's economy and army is too big, and Kal simply crushes him by seding army after army.

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Group H Final Set: (P)Kal < Triathlon > (Z)Shine

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Kal starts as his favorite color, Red Protoss, at 5 o'clock, and Shine starts at 7 o'clock as the Teal Zerg. Shine decides to 12 hatch before pool, and Kal expands to his back expansion after gateway, a typical opening in this map. Shine gets a lair before his 3rd expansion to deal with the early corsairs that come with gateway expansion builds. Kal loses his probe early to drones, and decides to go 2 stargate corsairs since air control is vital in this map.

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This is not a good day for Kal...

Shine expands to his natural and kills Kal's probe from scouting. Kal tries to protect his corsairs against Shine's early scourges. Shine uses this to his advantage and slowdrops Kal's back expansion. Kal hasn't broken the eggs yet and the zerglings have free reign on the probes.... or should have but Kal's good micro and Shine's decision to attack the pylon instead (?) keeps most of Kal's probes and his nexus safe.

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6 lings vs probes, should be easy, right?

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Unless you attack pylons until the cannon finishes, that is.

Kal finishes a cannon in his back expansion and sends corsairs to kill overlords. Shine was able to drone up and increase hatchery count, but Kal kills a lot of overlords with his corsairs. Shine sacrifices his zerglings at Kal's back expansion to kill a few more probes and Kal's reaver leaves to harass.

Kal only loses a couple of corsairs to scourges and harasses with his reaver. Shine micros well and loses only a couple of drones. Kal decides to defend for a bit since Shine has so many hatcheries, and continues to harass overlords with his corsairs. Kal makes a lot of cannons and expands to his natural, and once again leaves to harass once high templars are out.

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Hydralisk death pit.

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Score!

Kal sloppily loses a lot of corsairs to hydralisks, but his storm drop kills all of Shine's drones at his back expansion. Shine tries to snipe Kal's shuttle using scourges from both sides, but Kal microes away perfectly, saving his shuttle. Shine expands again and gets lurkers to maintain map control, and defends against the next harassment well.

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Shine: :D

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Shine: :O

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Shine: T_T

Kal built up a formidable force with a lot of dragoons, high templars and four reavers. Shine has no defilers yet and with only a small amount of lurkers, Kal's army looks impossible to defeat. Shine snipes the shuttles well, and manages to kill two reavers, but the remaining army kills the center expansion. However, before Kal can push any farther, Shine snipes the observer and the defilers are now out.

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As a zerg player, just looking at this army makes me shiver

Kal moves back and makes his army even bigger. Shine expands to 12, and starts pumping units. Kal tries to attack one more time, but swarms and lurkers once again drives Kal back. Shine's economy starts to kick in, and plagues start falling all over Kal's army. Kal realizes he can't simply keep attacking, and expands to 6 o'clock. Shine drops 6 o'clock but Kal decides to attack instead. Well placed storms kill a lot of lurkers and manages to kill a lot of drones with storms.

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Swarm + Plague + Lurker > Protoss army

Kal takes a breath to reinforce his army with more zealots and attacks Shine's natural. Plague and swarm land on Kal's army, but Kal pushes through with sheer mass. Shine loses his natural, but prevents Kal from pushing up to his main. However, by the time Shine is able to take his natural again, Kal has already killed all of Shine's other expansions. Shine retakes his position at the center, but Kal has a large army. Kal's minerals also run out, and he is down to only one expansion.

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Finally broken through!

Kal makes a bad attack and loses a lot of bad units, but his storm drops keep killing Shine's drones. Kal stops his attacks to secure his expansions, and Shine takes this chance to take two more expansions. Kal knows he needs to attack now or Shine will claw back into the game. Kal attacks, and even with well placed swarms, Kal has too many storms and kills Shine's natural again, this time walking into Shine's main.

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Many hatcheries, but so few drones..

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Déjà vu?

Shine desperately tries to defend his main, but Kal's army crushes everything Shine throws at him, and Shine is forced to GG.



Seasons come and go, and tides rise and fall. In the world of Brood War, some careers explode into stardom, while others fade off into the darkness. Or sometimes both. A mixture of the two is hard to find, but we need only look at Park Ji Soo, the Conqueror, the Pretender. fOrGG experienced a bit of everything in the professional scene, from the dizzying highs of winning a Star League to the abysmal lows of obscurity. Like in any other profession, new blood enters, old blood leaves. Life goes on, but it's only fitting that the MSL team gives the Pretender a fitting send-off. Journey with ]343[ now as he takes you through a link-filled tour of fOrGG's career. Best done while listening to the song.

Not Like the Others
By ]343[

Park Ji Soo, Never_V_, the Pretender. (T)fOrGG's first exploit to be recorded on Teamliquid was his qualification for the WCG Korea Finals as an amateur in 2005. To put this in some perspective, among the other qualifying amateurs were (T)Miracle, (Z)Kwanro, and (for those Wings of Liberty fans out there) the now-famous (Z)ZergBong. For newbies like me, that was a long time ago. He first registered as a progamer, joining Lecaf OZ sometime during early 2006; though he failed to pass the preliminaries of either individual league for two seasons, his won his first televised Proleague game against (T)Hwasin on 9/11/2006.

fOrGG qualified for his very first OSL, the 3rd Shinhan 2006 OSL, the very next season. In impressive fashion, he took out (T)DarkElf and (P)Bisu in the ODT (OnGameNet Dual Tournament) after ripping through the likes of (P)Nal_rA and old veteran (T)Yooi en route to an 8-1 record in the preliminaries. He was eliminated 1-2 in group stages, losing to (Z)GGPlay in the sudden death tiebreaker after bunker rushing him in the first match. But fOrGG got his revenge on GGPlay while notching a 2-kill against Hanbit Stars in the Winners-League-style, Bo5 KeSPA Cup.

Incidentally, after losing 1-2 to (P)Bisu in his second OSL preliminary, fOrGG proceeded to win his next five games against the Protoss over a span of two years, prompting Bisu to call him his archenemy by the time he finally beat fOrGG in 2010.

fOrGG was initially a solid, if mediocre, producer in Proleague, maintaining close to a 50% winrate. But he was an integral part of Lecaf's proleague championship in 2007, winning his matches in both the Round 2 Final and the Grand Final against (Z)Kwanro and (P)JangBi, respectively, to help take the trophy home for Oz.

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Despite his consistent Proleague play, fOrGG's success in individual leagues was originally limited to the OSL. His first MSL was the GOMTV MSL S3, where he was infamously disqualified in the Round of 16 against (P)Nal_rA when he spammed "return cargo" to bug his SCV past rA's probe block.

Despite his unfortunate mistake, the fall of 2007 signalled a change: fOrGG's individual league was the MSL, not the OSL. He continually lost in the OSL Round of 36 (previously the OSC), or even in the preliminaries. Only once more, in the 1st Korean Air OSL 2010, would he make the Ro16 group stages of the OSL, in which he lost 1-2 to (P)Kal in the quarterfinals.

But the MSL was, for some reason, a different story. Since his first MSL, fOrGG failed to qualify for group stages only once (though admittedly, the MSL has 32 players in group stage to the OSL's 16); of the 9 seasons since the 3rd GOMTV MSL, he advanced to the Ro16 6 times and the Ro8 3 times. It was his 3rd MSL, however, that put Park Ji Soo in the history books.

The Arena MSL was the first MSL I followed personally. Having just experienced (Z)July's momentous Golden Mouse run, I expected a storyline just as epic. fOrGG cleanly 2-0'd his group by beating (P)Kal and (P)HerO_V_, and pummeled Sea 2-0 in the Ro16. But (T)Flash and (Z)Jaedong were the topic of the day (surprise, it was that way three years ago too!), trading the top spot in Starcraft. Jaedong's revenge against (T)Hwasin and Flash's hard-fought series against (T)Lomo dominated the news--but just as interesting is fOrGG's epic series vs Kal, involving godly macro, precise timing, and... scouts. (Really, watch the games or at least read the Battle Reports if you haven't!)

What was to come could only be described as jaw-dropping. fOrGG was thought by most to have little chance against Flash.

On July 17 2008 18:45 IdrA wrote:
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On July 17 2008 18:42 Scaramanga wrote:
On July 17 2008 18:40 Gretchen wrote:
What does that silly "Time Attacker" on screen mean?
forGG does the best timing attacks, or what?

Yeah pretty much, i dont see how though imo flash has better timing that forgg

forgg's timing/macro really stand out because theyre a level above the rest of his game. (or they were, its caught up recently)
flash is insanely good at everything so it doesnt seem as special with him.

But by abusing (T)Flash's greedy fast expansion with proxy factories and aggressive builds, fOrGG unseated the Terran king and advanced to the finals to face his far more famous teammate, (Z)Lee Jae Dong. Though Teamliquid staff and most everyone else favored Jaedong, it was still a teamkill match--up in the air.

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What followed was a 3-0 drubbing of Jaedong, an upset that FakeSteve summarized in his crowning of fOrGG as Power Rank #1:

On August 7 2008 FakeSteve wrote:
Does this look odd to you? It sure looks odd to me. Odd doesn't even begin to cover the unreal boost in play fOrGG showed in July. Results are all well and good (and with an MSL win, I'm sure no one will disagree that he's got 'em in spades), but the real matter here is that no one played better StarCraft in July than fOrGG. Breaking out of his mould in a big way, fOrGG showed the world he's capable of so much more than making thirty thousand units and throwing them away. His games were dynamic, explosive, and most importantly, they were fucking brilliant StarCraft. Gotta give credit where it's due, there isn't a player in the world that came anywhere near fOrGG in July.

Though fOrGG stayed humble in his winner's interview, all eyes were on him to be the next big thing. Having just completed one of the toughest individual league runs in history--beating three top players, one of each race, akin to (T)Mind's road to his MSL title through (T)iloveoov, (Z)sAviOr, and (P)Bisu--fOrGG had instantly reached the pinnacle of Starcraft. Korean fans began the meme 정ㅋ벅ㅋ, roughly "con-lol-queror-lol," so shocked and amused were they by his victory.

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Even when fOrGG lost to (P)Much in the OSL Ro36, the fans attributed this to fatigue--an excuse only reserved for top players. He was even favored by some against the PvT god (P)Stork in WCG, though he lost.

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Then, tragedy struck--he fell down the stairs. Though he recovered from this incident to 2-0 his MSL group en route to losing again to (P)Stork, his beautiful play--the macro, the planning, the timing, the execution--from the Arena MSL would never be seen again. Though he posted a strong 10-4 record in the first two rounds of the Proleague, fOrGG was off the Power Rank by December. But compounding the problems, a dismal 0-4 Winner's League record and another 3-0 smashing at the hands of Stork led to him being called "the Pretender," and worse, a strained relationship with Coach Cho of Oz. These factored into a huge event in fOrGG's career: his transfer to KTF.

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fOrGG's first days at KTF were at best mediocre. In his very first match with his new team, he lost to former teammate Jaedong in Jaedong's all-kill of KTF in the Winner's League playoffs. He lost 0-2 to (Z)Calm in the Ro16 of the MSL and went just 4-6 in Proleague. Though KTF boasted three individual league champions in Flash, fOrGG, and (Z)Luxury, Flash was the only one to perform consistently, and all too often only one of fOrGG or Luxury would win.

As Flash entered "God mode," fOrGG was completely overshadowed on KT, showing decent but uninspiring play as the 2nd-string Terran. He continued to post respectable results, qualifying for MSLs and the odd OSL while maintaining a 60% TvZ winrate. fOrGG's Ro16 appearances featured losses to two of the very players he beat to obtain his title--a 1-2 loss to Kal in the Korean Air OSL S1 and a 0-3 loss to his dominating teammate Flash in the Bigfile MSL.

fOrGG finished as he began--as the "time attacker." He managed to beat his last Arena MSL opponent, friend, and former teammate Jaedong in the one game they played after Jaedong's all-kill, showing off his timing attack style. His wins were no longer through godly macro or mind-blowing play, but through razor-sharp pushes when his opponent was weakest.

When his retirement was announced, the inevitable jokes about the "timing" of it all came. Though we still don't know his motives for retiring, fOrGG will surely be missed--the Pretender, the Time Attacker, the Conqueror.


And so the Round of 32 has finished. With a zerg-infested lineup, I think the MSL is going to be expecting less viewers for the Round of 16. However, can the few remaining Protoss and Terran keep racial parity? Let's take a quick look at the matchups for the Round of 16. Keep in mind that these are played as split Bo3s, with only the first set being played this week.

Round of 16 Matches and Predictions
By flamewheel

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Match A: (T)Ssak vs (Z)Calm

Ah... out of so many potential amazing TvZ matchups we could have had, we get Ssak and Calm. Don't get me wrong, I respect the two for what they've done, but this doesn't really sound so entertaining to me. Clam's been having some problems recently with ZvT, and a recent eleven-game loss streak to Terrans is not something to write home to your mother about. Granted, the majority of those losses came at the hands of Flash, Fantasy, and Light... But still, while his ZvZ and ZvP are pretty good, Calm's ZvT is subpar. Luckily, his opponent is new and also not very statistically good at TvZ... but Ssak does have iloveoov behind him.

I might have been too harsh on this pairing. While recent play (sans Ssak vs Flash) from both players hasn't led me to expect much, perhaps we'll see some trademark Brainzerg against neo-Gorilla action. One can only hope. I do expect Calm to win this set, both because of the maps and his experience, but it's way too difficult making predictions this season.

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Match B: (Z)Hydra vs (T)Classic

This TvZ should be more exciting than the last. You know, I remember a point last season where I was like "this Classic guy's pretty good", and then he kind of just disappeared. Still though, players with epic chins are pretty awesome to watch, and I do enjoy Classic's TvZ. On the other hand, Hydra's pretty monstrous right now. As this season's Ace match master, he's undefeated in Proleague so far and is looking pretty scary. Though I think Calm vs Ssak is more likely to produce matches with ingenious builds and sharp cheeses, Classic vs Hydra should have more solid, mechanically-dependent games. Hoping for a long macro series involving cow bombs. Hi swanized.

If I say I think Hydra will take it 2-0, is some ethereal force going to smack me upside the head and make the opposite true? While we can say "that's most likely going to happen", this has been the season to prove us wrong.

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Match C: (Z)Jaedong vs (T)Midas

Yay yay yay Baby Bear! And Jaedong! Oh man remember what happened last time? Midas played pretty well in their Hana Daetoo meeting, but Jaedong slapped his mech around and trounced him 3-0. Currently Jaedong's not playing at his best, but can Midas take advantage of that? Amazingly, over the course of six and a half years Midas has maintained a 65% winrate against Zerg (consistency of an engine right there), and if there's any time to take advantage of Jaedong's ZvT it's now. Still though, the maps don't seem that favorable to Terran this season, and Jaedong is still Jaedong. Though he's going through a bit of a rough spell, I think Jaedong will advance from this match 2-1, probably losing to a bunker rush or some timing attack by Midas.

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Match D: (Z)HoGiL vs (P)Snow

Teamkills make me sad. There's not much to say about this match--HoGiL's ZvP is excellent, while Snow's PvZ is... not. Though anything can happen in a battle between teammates (as in the above mentioned fOrGG vs Jaedong), upsets are still the exception, not the norm. Though I want Snow to advance, HoGiL 2-0 is probably the most likely outcome of this match.

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Match E: (Z)great vs (Z)Action

TvT is T.T, and ZvZ is zzz to a lot of people. Still, in a Round of 16 with nine zergs, I think it's pretty decent that there are only two ZvZs. I want to say that this will be the least-watched match in the Ro16, though anytime great is involved in ZvZ, potential awesomeness is there. With neither player being really stellar at ZvZ (Action at a flat 17-17 and great hovering around 55%), this match may actually be like a coin flip. Whoever has the better muta micro / build advantage / better play in the series wins. Since I'm not sure how else to call it, I'm going to say great 2-0 because of recent play and statistical history.

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Match F: (Z)ZerO vs (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey

Seriously, can we stop with the teamkills? I can't really think of a worse one than ZerO vs Soulkey to happen. Why couldn't we have had ZerO vs Bisu and Soulkey vs Stork instead or something like that? Now one of them is going to be eliminated.

I'm going to say what's on everybody's mind: we want another lategame ZvZ. I hope that ZerO and Soulkey decide to intentionally make it so that their games go to hive tech, since that'll make it much more enjoyable to watch. Barring that, I think Soulkey will win. Despite not having too much statistical evidence on Soulkey's ZvZ, I still think it's better than ZerO's. Neo.G_Bonjwa 2-1, though no matter who wins, we win.

And lose. Darn teamkills.

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Match G: (Z)RorO vs (P)Kal

In my mind, this is probably the match that is hardest to predict. While Kal is pretty good, RorO is solid. This is neither player's strongest matchup, but they're still able to produce results. While RorO is solid and boring, Kal's PvZ isn't anything revolutionary. However, Kal is still definitely the favorite here, given that he's a much better performer in individual leagues than RorO. Still, the slayer of anti-teams may slay our hopes at having a balanced Round of 8, but I'm not expecting it. I would say to expect safe, solid games, but then I remembered the last time Kal and RorO played each other. Kal 2-1, with hopefully some well-executed proxy scout build or something like that.

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Match H: (P)Bisu vs (P)Stork

Not happy about this. Not. One. Bit. Even though the teamkills suck, Stork vs Bisu in the Round of 16 is the worst thing that could have happened this MSL. And it happened. With this, there's no chance of a TaekBangLee (NO FLASH) semifinals, which is what could have and should have happened. Instead, now one of the two goes home, and I think it's going to be Stork. His PvP was really shaky for all of 2010, and Biu's is looking pretty solid right now. Though we all wish this match didn't happen, fans can take solace in the fact that whoever wins this will probably be in the finals against Jaedong. Or HoGiL.

Yet another awesome MSL post brought to you by the MSL team of ]343[, l10f and flamewheel. New and awesome banner brought to you by disciple!
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January 06 2011 05:39 GMT
#2
That was a very nice write up on ForGG.
Nothing worth having comes easy.
PhorClayton
Profile Joined July 2008
United States198 Posts
January 06 2011 05:41 GMT
#3
Makes me want to watch BW again. real bad too.
loafmaster
Profile Joined August 2006
United States203 Posts
January 06 2011 05:41 GMT
#4
Seriously hoping for a Stork vs JD Final!
Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
January 06 2011 05:42 GMT
#5
Can't fucking wait for Soulkey VS Zero lategame and Bisu VS Stork godlike PvP mode.

Jesus this MSL is so much better with Flash gone.
Jaedong plz
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 06 2011 05:42 GMT
#6
Great writeup!

Stork v. Bisu makes me :[
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 06 2011 05:42 GMT
#7
why did I write so much on forgg @_______@ he's not like my favorite player or anything... but he's cool I guess.

hopefully other retiring players will get similar writeups.
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
January 06 2011 05:47 GMT
#8
Yay yay yay Baby Bear! And Jaedong! Oh man remember what happened last time? Midas played pretty well in their Hana Daetoo meeting, but Jaedong slapped his mech around and trounced him 3-0. Currently Jaedong's not playing at his best, but can Midas take advantage of that? Amazingly, over the course of six and a half years Midas has maintained a 65% winrate against Zerg (consistency of an engine right there), and if there's any time to take advantage of Jaedong's ZvT it's now. Still though, the maps don't seem that favorable to Terran this season, and Jaedong is still Jaedong. Though he's going through a bit of a rough spell, I think Jaedong will advance from this match 2-1, probably losing to a bunker rush or some timing attack by Midas.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=211&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=12&from_day=1&to_year=2010&to_month=12&to_day=28&action=Update

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=211&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=10&from_day=1&to_year=2010&to_month=12&to_day=28&action=Update

how misleading :3
Versita
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1032 Posts
January 06 2011 05:51 GMT
#9
really liked the article about fOrGG

good stuff as always!

i agree with flamewheel about Bisu vs Stork
would've liked to see that later on in the tournament but i'm still looking forward to it!
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 05:54:27
January 06 2011 05:54 GMT
#10
On January 06 2011 14:32 flamewheel wrote:
Currently Jaedong's not playing at his best, but can Midas take advantage of that?

He could, if the maps weren't waiting to bitchslap him, as if JD wasn't enough of a challenge.

Nice piece on ForGG. Overshadowed or not, he was an asset for KT, and his departure is unfortunate (and mysterious, though hopefully not because of any kind of scandal or anything).
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
January 06 2011 06:22 GMT
#11
Fascinating write up on forgg, an all around good read although pure fanboiism causes me to say that stork will beat bisu.
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CCGaunt
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States417 Posts
January 06 2011 06:25 GMT
#12
PvP with only 4 toss makes me very sad.

Especially Bisu and Stork.

I hope Stork can get a gold, but Bisu would be nice too :D
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
January 06 2011 06:27 GMT
#13
Bisu vs. Jaedong finals (with Bisu winning of course) would be about the most epic finals ever.
Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
January 06 2011 06:28 GMT
#14
On January 06 2011 14:54 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 14:32 flamewheel wrote:
Currently Jaedong's not playing at his best, but can Midas take advantage of that?

He could, if the maps weren't waiting to bitchslap him, as if JD wasn't enough of a challenge.


At this rate, when there are seven Zergs left in the round of eight, I wonder if people will pine for the days of those "Terran-favored maps" they complained about so earnestly last year.

And if Bisu wins the MSL after said eventuality, the BW fora will be plunged into such unholy darkness the likes of which only those brave SC2 Strategy spelunkers would dare venture.

Also, to the news writers, good job, and a special thank you for the timely ForGG piece.
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
January 06 2011 06:29 GMT
#15
Literally the only thing RorO has going for him is his tendency to show up when we all want it least. His ZvP is awful, truly terrible, unless it's improved some time when I wasn't paying attention. He manages to almost lose to Jaehoon (and friends) on what seems like a regular basis.

And all that said, he might be my favorite Zerg to root for. I'm torn.
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RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
January 06 2011 06:31 GMT
#16
--- Nuked ---
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
January 06 2011 06:38 GMT
#17
If its bisu/stork vs. hogil instead of jaedong....

nice writeup, loved the read ^^

jaedong and midas...stork and bisu...wanted those 4 to advance (and zero!)

sucks...to be me T___T
Jaedong :3
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 06 2011 06:39 GMT
#18
As I said somewhere before, if an S-class reader beats an S-class reader, does the winner become S-class?
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 06 2011 06:40 GMT
#19
I love how you disregarded roro after he killed Stork, oh well, but if you told me roro is a choker sometimes I wouldnt disagree, that guy plays mediocore most of the time and win 50% and sometimes he just rrrrrrrrrapes.
In the woods, there lurks..
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
January 06 2011 06:45 GMT
#20
Yeah this ro16 sucks..... Could've been way better.

but, it should still be cool at the same time. JD will be back in form though, no one worry.

Also, does ANYONE know what happened to forGG? was there any reason given at all? I'm still really in the dark. But it was a good write up. You should link his TLPD to it.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 06 2011 06:46 GMT
#21
Awesome writeup and terrible matchups. WHY BISU VS STORK WHY
Stork wins IMO because I like Stork.
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 06 2011 06:52 GMT
#22
On January 06 2011 15:45 TheNessman wrote:
Also, does ANYONE know what happened to forGG? was there any reason given at all? I'm still really in the dark. But it was a good write up. You should link his TLPD to it.

He left in the middle of his contract and went on vacation, saying he needed to relax. That's all the information that was revealed.
Definitely not the most standard of circumstances.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
January 06 2011 06:53 GMT
#23
Great writeup, I am sad that Bisu vs Stork is happening so early, but whoever wins it better win this MSL no exceptions.
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TheDominator
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
New Zealand336 Posts
January 06 2011 07:00 GMT
#24
Bisu vs Stork...wtf...
Sad to see Forgg leave. Despite the fact that i hated him for beating JD.
GO JAEDONG!!!
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
January 06 2011 07:39 GMT
#25
hogil vs stork finals would be roflmao

we could have had so many epic matchups, but oh wellz =(
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lolbolt
Profile Joined November 2010
206 Posts
January 06 2011 07:41 GMT
#26
Can't wait for Jaedong vs Midas Rematch!!!
Midas prepare to get Trashed!
GrazerRinge
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
999 Posts
January 06 2011 08:00 GMT
#27
ForGG, I am gonna miss you (T-T)

also kinda suck that bisu and stork alreday face each other in Ro16...

My prediction for final is: JD vs Bisu!!! :D

and: thx a lot for this fantastic article and banner! ♥♥♥

"Successful people don't talk much. They listen and take action."
Contagious
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1319 Posts
January 06 2011 08:25 GMT
#28
Stork has this..

also love Midas face, dude is goofy lookin xD
RYZmooN
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada575 Posts
January 06 2011 08:31 GMT
#29
BW is have his worse possible events:
every1 is retiring
and there is Bisu vs Stork...
T.T
But as a BW fan i shall remain strong.
HWATING!
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 06 2011 08:36 GMT
#30
On January 06 2011 17:31 RYZmooN wrote:
BW is have his worse possible events:
every1 is retiring
and there is Bisu vs Stork...
T.T
But as a BW fan i shall remain strong.
HWATING!

wtf are you talking about? who is 'every1'? Effort retired like 4 months ago, and ForGG retired last week. Neither were related to SC2 besides the speculation and everything. Other than that, nobody meaningful has retired (Boxer/Nada were over the summer, and neither mattered much to BW anymore, same with MVP).

And Stork vs Bisu, thats a worst possible event? two popular players playing each other? thats generally the sign of a good match with a lot of hype.
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Origiral
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)106 Posts
January 06 2011 08:39 GMT
#31
On January 06 2011 17:36 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 17:31 RYZmooN wrote:
BW is have his worse possible events:
every1 is retiring
and there is Bisu vs Stork...
T.T
But as a BW fan i shall remain strong.
HWATING!

wtf are you talking about? who is 'every1'? Effort retired like 4 months ago, and ForGG retired last week. Neither were related to SC2 besides the speculation and everything. Other than that, nobody meaningful has retired (Boxer/Nada were over the summer, and neither mattered much to BW anymore, same with MVP).

And Stork vs Bisu, thats a worst possible event? two popular players playing each other? thats generally the sign of a good match with a lot of hype.


y you making a law suit out of this g.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 06 2011 08:45 GMT
#32
I really wish that you could get bisu/stork to play eachother in the finals. Again. instead we don't
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Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
January 06 2011 08:53 GMT
#33
How can you skip on great vs Action, great was the one that has been going into hive tech pretty often and he knows how to use it! Damn you non-ZvZ watchers
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Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
January 06 2011 09:04 GMT
#34
Bisu vs Jaedong finals! Come on!
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 06 2011 09:05 GMT
#35
On January 06 2011 17:53 Mortician wrote:
How can you skip on great vs Action, great was the one that has been going into hive tech pretty often and he knows how to use it! Damn you non-ZvZ watchers


did you read the last MSL article with the long lategame ZvZ rant? o.O
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PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
January 06 2011 09:07 GMT
#36
On January 06 2011 14:42 ]343[ wrote:
why did I write so much on forgg @_______@ he's not like my favorite player or anything... but he's cool I guess.

hopefully other retiring players will get similar writeups.


I'm glad you made the effort. I learnt alot about this player. Thanks!
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
January 06 2011 09:29 GMT
#37
I hope Flash helps Hydra and Calm practice their ZvT. It's the least he can do. Mong and Classic must be punished!
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
January 06 2011 09:32 GMT
#38
really too bad bisu and stork have to face each other this early :/
liaf
Profile Joined April 2009
Norway318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 10:22:06
January 06 2011 10:20 GMT
#39
I always liked Forgg. He was probably my favorite terran. It's a shame to see him go.
Edit: Also Stork > Bisu easy
Jaedong Stork finals gogo!
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Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa975 Posts
January 06 2011 10:53 GMT
#40
Thanks for the nice write up of ForGG, he was one of the players i have sympathies for. He always seemed nice and did some entertaining up to great games.
Curious if he will appear again in SC2!
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9504 Posts
January 06 2011 12:21 GMT
#41
Excellent news and excellent new banner!
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
January 06 2011 12:31 GMT
#42
I started anti surporting ForGG a bit when he left OZ, felt like he was a traitor or something. But I'm sure he had very good reasons for leaveing and he will be missed amoung the community genrally. A great player and an assit to any team. Him and Anytime leaving OZ was the start of the decline from best team out there to proping up the bottom of pro-league.

His MSL win was so out of the blue it was unreal, shows us that anyone can win this MSL if they get on a bit of a hot streak. Also it is a shame that Bisu and Stork had to meet so early. I'm not sure if I should be putting my money on the winner of that game, KAL or Jaedong (he's gonna be motivatted been nocked out of the OSl)
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
January 06 2011 13:58 GMT
#43
ForGG, you will be missed:



:D
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kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 14:03:48
January 06 2011 14:02 GMT
#44
ForGG definitely had an interesting career, to say the least. Lots of secrets and lots of great accomplishments. I hope we will find out what really happened at some point, like a autobiography but I doubt it, he seems to like his privacy.

This MSL will be great, might get a little zerg heavy but with solid yet different vZ players like Great, JD and Bisu, we should be entertained.

On the other hand, maybe Hydra will keep up his insane pace and take this MSL.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
January 06 2011 14:48 GMT
#45
"Kal's PvZ isn't anything revolutionary."

.___________.
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Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
January 06 2011 14:50 GMT
#46
Bisu vs Stork sucks. Here's to hoping for a Stork/Bisu vs JD finals at least.
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
January 06 2011 15:23 GMT
#47
rool* that was a delicious writeup. Just what the doctor ordered, an IV of Broodwar!
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
January 06 2011 16:03 GMT
#48
Good write-up. Ah, forgg, you will be missed.

On another note, GO BISU GO!
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
January 06 2011 16:05 GMT
#49
On January 06 2011 14:54 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 14:32 flamewheel wrote:
Currently Jaedong's not playing at his best, but can Midas take advantage of that?

He could, if the maps weren't waiting to bitchslap him, as if JD wasn't enough of a challenge.

Nice piece on ForGG. Overshadowed or not, he was an asset for KT, and his departure is unfortunate (and mysterious, though hopefully not because of any kind of scandal or anything).


Lol true, but considering Jaedong had to play Midas on Odd-Eye last year and still won vs mech transition I have no sympathy.


On January 06 2011 15:29 Musoeun wrote:
Literally the only thing RorO has going for him is his tendency to show up when we all want it least. His ZvP is awful, truly terrible, unless it's improved some time when I wasn't paying attention. He manages to almost lose to Jaehoon (and friends) on what seems like a regular basis.

And all that said, he might be my favorite Zerg to root for. I'm torn.


?? 6-4 in his last 10 with wins over Stats and Stork. 3 of those losses are from the PvZ God. Also hes 2-0 against Jaehoon and the last one they played was in September. Get your facts straight and have a look at TLPD instead of making knee jerk judgements lol.
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Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
January 06 2011 16:24 GMT
#50
Forgg will be remebered,
Sad to see that either of Zero/Soulkey and Stork/Bisu has to go though
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
January 06 2011 16:39 GMT
#51
GO JAEDONG GO!!!
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 06 2011 17:16 GMT
#52
I am soooo excited about Jaedong and while I'm disappointed Bisu and Stork had to meet up so soon, I think it'd be better to get excited about their match now instead of being sad about their possible later matchup.

Surprised forgg retired when he was in an individual league.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
January 06 2011 18:09 GMT
#53
GO Midas.
Upsets make the MSL fun!

Go Bisu~
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
January 06 2011 18:15 GMT
#54
On January 06 2011 15:31 stormtemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 14:47 Milkis wrote:
Yay yay yay Baby Bear! And Jaedong! Oh man remember what happened last time? Midas played pretty well in their Hana Daetoo meeting, but Jaedong slapped his mech around and trounced him 3-0. Currently Jaedong's not playing at his best, but can Midas take advantage of that? Amazingly, over the course of six and a half years Midas has maintained a 65% winrate against Zerg (consistency of an engine right there), and if there's any time to take advantage of Jaedong's ZvT it's now. Still though, the maps don't seem that favorable to Terran this season, and Jaedong is still Jaedong. Though he's going through a bit of a rough spell, I think Jaedong will advance from this match 2-1, probably losing to a bunker rush or some timing attack by Midas.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=211&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=12&from_day=1&to_year=2010&to_month=12&to_day=28&action=Update

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=211&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=10&from_day=1&to_year=2010&to_month=12&to_day=28&action=Update

how misleading :3



http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=211&part=games&vs=T&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=12&from_day=1&to_year=2010&to_month=12&to_day=28&action=Update


Not exactly. Jaedong is 3-7 in his last 10 ZvTs and 2-3 in ZvT since october. Granted, most of those losses are from flash and light, but Hiya? I dunno


Teamkills are always weird, not the best thing to use in general. Past that the losses are only to Light this PL -- who has really good TvZ. You can't use this last 10 ZvT since most of them are from the finals Jaedong has played through vs Flash ~_~
Renkaoru
Profile Joined October 2010
390 Posts
January 06 2011 18:22 GMT
#55
Fuck me for missing the MSL matches a while ago. Now I have to wait for the VODs of moktira while trying hard not to spoil myself with the results.

Great writeup though. Thanks very much MSL team!
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anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
January 06 2011 19:06 GMT
#56
ugly ro16, zero-soulkey and bisu-stork on top of teamkills is made of crap
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
January 06 2011 19:07 GMT
#57
Nice writeup!

forGG ;_;

Please lose Jaedong/please win Stork!!
legendre20
Profile Joined November 2010
United States316 Posts
January 06 2011 20:05 GMT
#58
Great write up!! I can't wait to watch! Teamkills suck, but I think you were right in saying Stork vs Bisu is by far worse Could easily be a finals match with the way those two are playing! I'll be pulling for stork though, should be a fun one to watch.
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Tempest[OEC]
Profile Joined February 2010
United States417 Posts
January 06 2011 20:08 GMT
#59
Bisu vs Jaedong MSL Finals. PLEASE!
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
January 06 2011 20:14 GMT
#60
wow, the fOrGG writeup made me so sad.
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
January 06 2011 20:50 GMT
#61
Even though I've been so mad so many times at Forgg for consistently failing... I'm really going to miss the guy... Forgg hwaiting!!!
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slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
January 06 2011 20:56 GMT
#62
epic write up

who the FUCK is making the MSL brackets? they should be slapped in the face goddamnit...
jaedong imba
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
January 06 2011 22:05 GMT
#63
farewell sweet prince, this world was too cruel for you

<3 forGG
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holyhalo5
Profile Joined October 2009
United States187 Posts
January 06 2011 22:07 GMT
#64
LETS GO BISU

god, i hope he doesn't play jaedong. i have a feeling jaedong will steamroll over him, after bisu beat jaedong twice in PL.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
January 07 2011 02:46 GMT
#65
I don't think (Z)RorO is "boring"
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Metaspace
Profile Joined November 2006
Austria670 Posts
January 07 2011 14:33 GMT
#66
Great report, as always!
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Jstor
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States107 Posts
January 07 2011 22:02 GMT
#67
On January 07 2011 07:07 holyhalo5 wrote:
LETS GO BISU

god, i hope he doesn't play jaedong. i have a feeling jaedong will steamroll over him, after bisu beat jaedong twice in PL.


Your logic, I don't see it.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 01:35:13
January 08 2011 01:32 GMT
#68
really good write up i agree with all of the predictions
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
January 08 2011 10:52 GMT
#69
GO JAEDONG GO!
Iri
Profile Joined January 2010
150 Posts
January 08 2011 10:53 GMT
#70
I'm expecting great things from Great v. Action... both players are much stronger at lategame Zerg play, including ZvZ, than at standard issue midgame muta play. I want an extended game ZvZ... it has the potential to be the new flagship matchup of SC:BW, requiring as much skill as TvT but with six times the action.
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