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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 19 2010 08:48 GMT
#21
thanks.. i barely even know what is going on in the proleague now. only got time to watch the osl
Brood War loyalist
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
December 19 2010 09:06 GMT
#22
On December 19 2010 17:30 johanngrunt wrote:
I don't follow BW much, but one line in the OP stood out as strange to me.

" Considering Terran is easily the strongest race, they even have Skyhigh who is pretty much the best TvT player who has ever existed."

I thought BW was completely balanced? This just seems strange to me, and I hope someone can explain without calling me a noob, which I am, but I want to learn.


Everyone has got their opinions..
but really terran having 4 out of 5 bonjwas tips that maybe just maybe terran is a bit stronger at high levels of play.

And there is no such thing as complete balance, balance nowdays is achieved through map pool and as maps are constantly changing balance shifts a little too.
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
December 19 2010 09:08 GMT
#23
On December 19 2010 17:30 johanngrunt wrote:
I don't follow BW much, but one line in the OP stood out as strange to me.

" Considering Terran is easily the strongest race, they even have Skyhigh who is pretty much the best TvT player who has ever existed."

I thought BW was completely balanced? This just seems strange to me, and I hope someone can explain without calling me a noob, which I am, but I want to learn.


at very high level ts balanced .. from A+ to S class players .. from A below, i think the balance deteriorates ..

but some people would say T > Z > P > T or something along those lines ..

but one thing is clear, the balance of the game are decided by maps and players ..
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ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
December 19 2010 09:44 GMT
#24
On December 19 2010 18:08 aimaimaim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 17:30 johanngrunt wrote:
I don't follow BW much, but one line in the OP stood out as strange to me.

" Considering Terran is easily the strongest race, they even have Skyhigh who is pretty much the best TvT player who has ever existed."

I thought BW was completely balanced? This just seems strange to me, and I hope someone can explain without calling me a noob, which I am, but I want to learn.


at very high level ts balanced .. from A+ to S class players .. from A below, i think the balance deteriorates ..

but some people would say T > Z > P > T or something along those lines ..

but one thing is clear, the balance of the game are decided by maps and players ..

Well said.
Balance highly is dependant on skill level. What I've experienced is that at a lower level, Protoss is very strong compared to Terran, cause of the APM required to play terran. Then you can always argue that the player could have countered <that> with <this> or do better scouting.
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
December 19 2010 10:36 GMT
#25
Cool writeup! Hite is finally looking good
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
December 19 2010 10:56 GMT
#26
Really nice, thanks. The Team Report Cards section is sick.
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catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
December 19 2010 11:21 GMT
#27
Everyone says Terran imbalance... but everyone knows the truth... the real imbalance starts with P and ends with rotoss.

On a more serious note... ACE is doing great. The Team is Solid all-around. (T)RuBy, (T)firebathero, (P)Much, (P)M18M, (Z)GoRush, (Z)ggaemo, and (T)Iris. I think for the first time in the history of ACE they have a balance of each race.

I would not be suprised if they were at least in contention for the 5 spot in the final weeks of round 6.

I'm a SKT fan, but I think we're finally seeing Hite Entus show promise. When these teams merged, I felt Hite Entus became the top dog. Too much depth on that team to not win the PL.
Jung! Myung! Hoooooooooooooooooon! #TeamPolt
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
December 19 2010 11:38 GMT
#28
hahahaha SHINE so Handsome! damn FW so good!
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9499 Posts
December 19 2010 11:46 GMT
#29
You're damn right this is exciting time to follow proleague.

ACE tearing it up is one of the most exciting things ever!
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alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
December 19 2010 12:16 GMT
#30
Lol at the banner =))
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
December 19 2010 13:20 GMT
#31
On December 19 2010 17:30 johanngrunt wrote:
I don't follow BW much, but one line in the OP stood out as strange to me.

" Considering Terran is easily the strongest race, they even have Skyhigh who is pretty much the best TvT player who has ever existed."

I thought BW was completely balanced? This just seems strange to me, and I hope someone can explain without calling me a noob, which I am, but I want to learn.


BW is far from "completely balanced", despite what people commonly claim. No game is inherently "balanced", and "balance" changes over time given the strategies dominant given a time and the maps and the player skill level, for once, but I think in general it's possible to argue at this point it's beyond just maps and players. Having a good Terran player is actually necessary -- although having a good Zerg or good Protoss not as much so.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
December 19 2010 13:20 GMT
#32
such a damn long read >< but very nice written as I enjoyed reading.
And I did not knew about iloveoov what his message was on Cyworld.
Sad and happy at the same time in a week about KT though.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
Pippah
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark353 Posts
December 19 2010 14:57 GMT
#33
nice write up thx
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
December 19 2010 15:00 GMT
#34
On December 19 2010 22:20 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 17:30 johanngrunt wrote:
I don't follow BW much, but one line in the OP stood out as strange to me.

" Considering Terran is easily the strongest race, they even have Skyhigh who is pretty much the best TvT player who has ever existed."

I thought BW was completely balanced? This just seems strange to me, and I hope someone can explain without calling me a noob, which I am, but I want to learn.


BW is far from "completely balanced", despite what people commonly claim. No game is inherently "balanced", and "balance" changes over time given the strategies dominant given a time and the maps and the player skill level, for once, but I think in general it's possible to argue at this point it's beyond just maps and players. Having a good Terran player is actually necessary -- although having a good Zerg or good Protoss not as much so.


terran imba confirmed!!! zOMG
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 19 2010 15:20 GMT
#35
"Terran is easily the strongest race," -- right out of Highways list of awful statements, lol. Stuff like this gets people warned and banned if repeated enough. Otherwise a great writeup.
Remember Violet.
Cade)Flayer
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom279 Posts
December 19 2010 15:49 GMT
#36
"Considering Terran is easily the strongest race, they even have Skyhigh who is pretty much the best TvT player who has ever existed."

When I read this line in the article I spent a couple of minutes trying to figure out what it means, but literally it's just claiming Terran is OP?! Good article but I don't see any reason to include such a lame statement at the end :/
That boys a monster
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
December 19 2010 15:50 GMT
#37
lol, happy jaedong is happy
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
December 19 2010 16:04 GMT
#38
Great write-up, thanks!
Hope STX keeps winning until the end of R3.

I have no data to back me up, but I fear for STX in R4 and R5.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
December 19 2010 17:01 GMT
#39
FUCK YEAH PROLEAGUE!!!

sorry, just needed to state that once again

great writeup as usual, please please keep the good work up
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
December 19 2010 17:18 GMT
#40
I wonder how long it will be before the SKT fans start accepting Shine as legitimate =.=

Great article, though!
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