EPT[PL] Upheaval - Page 3
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
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Versita
Canada1032 Posts
thanks for the write up, i missed a lot of PL games the past few weeks  | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
PS. I thought OP was saying Terran has some of the strongest players. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
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PineappleLumpsToss
New Zealand2434 Posts
On December 20 2010 02:18 BrownBear wrote: I wonder how long it will be before the SKT fans start accepting Shine as legitimate =.= Great article, though! Firstly, I don't think it's just SKT (or more accurately, Bisu) fans who dislike Shine. Secondly, I think it's more of a dislike thing than a legitimacy thing. I respect him actually. There's no doubt he has great game-sense, and anybody who puts together as many wins on the trot as he has recently is definitely legitimate. Doesn't mean you have to like him tho  | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
On December 20 2010 04:19 ibreakurface wrote: Kind of lame how he decided to say terran is OBVIOUSLY OP... Kind of made me lose respect for any other opinion the author had earlier.. QFT Thx alot for the great read. I especially enjoyed the team evaluation part. On December 20 2010 00:49 Cade)Flayer wrote: "Considering Terran is easily the strongest race, they even have Skyhigh who is pretty much the best TvT player who has ever existed." When I read this line in the article I spent a couple of minutes trying to figure out what it means, but literally it's just claiming Terran is OP?! Good article but I don't see any reason to include such a lame statement at the end :/ I think it is kind of safe to say that SC is terran>zerg>protoss>terran. With protoss being the weakest race terran becomes the strongest. But the reason all bonjwas have been terran is not necessarily because terran is op imo: it is just the race that loses the least random games against inferior opponents and most easily makes come backs. For instance, if Flash would play against a random guy on icup, he'd only need literally one mining scv and be able to block his ramp to win easily. If Jaedong lost his natural against a c-level terran early in the game it would be impossible for him to win, it wouldn't matter how superior he is to his opponent. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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Xinliben
United States931 Posts
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StifSokSamurai
United States120 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On December 19 2010 17:30 johanngrunt wrote: I don't follow BW much, but one line in the OP stood out as strange to me. " Considering Terran is easily the strongest race, they even have Skyhigh who is pretty much the best TvT player who has ever existed." I thought BW was completely balanced? This just seems strange to me, and I hope someone can explain without calling me a noob, which I am, but I want to learn. Almost no one claims that BW is completely balanced. There's also been an overall long term trend of T>Z>P>T, although there's definitely swings where that is not true. TvZ tends to fluctuate a lot in who's dominating. PvZ had a big swing after Bisu build, then again in Golden Age, then opposite occurs, etc. A lot is also highly dependent on maps. But overall, the original T>Z>P>T has held GENERALLY true over the long run, but not at any significant levels. Just not completely is all. | ||
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Trap
United States395 Posts
On December 19 2010 22:20 Milkis wrote: BW is far from "completely balanced", despite what people commonly claim. No game is inherently "balanced", and "balance" changes over time given the strategies dominant given a time and the maps and the player skill level, for once, but I think in general it's possible to argue at this point it's beyond just maps and players. Having a good Terran player is actually necessary -- although having a good Zerg or good Protoss not as much so. Why do think having a strong T is necessary as opposed to having a strong Z/P? Stars and STX have done well without having a good Terran. I would think a player of any race who has two good matchups is more useful than a sniper like Skyhigh with one superb matchup and two weak ones in the current PL format. The coaching staff hasn't been very good at predicting TvTs for Skyhigh either because he's only player 3 TvT / 10 games overall in SPL, winning only 1 of those. Even as a potential ace match sniper I would only expect to see him vs KT or MBC. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On December 20 2010 15:54 Trap wrote: Why do think having a strong T is necessary as opposed to having a strong Z/P? Stars and STX have done well without having a good Terran. I would think a player of any race who has two good matchups is more useful than a sniper like Skyhigh with one superb matchup and two weak ones in the current PL format. The coaching staff hasn't been very good at predicting TvTs for Skyhigh either because he's only player 3 TvT / 10 games overall in SPL, winning only 1 of those. Even as a potential ace match sniper I would only expect to see him vs KT or MBC. Stars have underperformed previous years before they got really (okay and they're slumping again but yeah). STX only performed well since they had Hwasin. I definitely agree with your second paragraph, which is why I gave CJ only a B. However, I do think having the best vT snipers is a great asset -- i mean, when you know you can beat players like Flash, Fantasy, and pretty much any other Terrans any team can throw at them relatively easily, that really gives other teams will little other options since other races tend to be very inconsistent in performance over time (unless you're Jaedong) which is why I think Terrans are generally the best race around, and I don't think any team can really get far in any league without a solid Terran | ||
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zyzski
United States698 Posts
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On December 19 2010 16:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Zerglings are too cute to eat :3 + Show Spoiler + -eats harem- + Show Spoiler [WeMade vs. STX] + Apparently he was mistaken as well! He made a fine dish, at least. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
Thanks a lot for the article! Amazing work! Edit: And may I just add, don't ever let shine be on the front page for that long ever again.  | ||
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
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Deekin[
Serbia1713 Posts
Loved the Action vs Bisu game, a really refreshing one to say the least! Alittle bit of "proof" that Bisu can indeed be beaten by something else than all-ins (Shine) | ||
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konadora
Singapore66363 Posts
On December 19 2010 16:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Zerglings are too cute to eat :3 + Show Spoiler + -eats harem-  awesome write-up :D | ||
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