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riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
December 21 2010 01:31 GMT
#61
Really enjoyed this writeup. Great job, PL team!
AdministratorSKT T1 | Masters of the Universe
Wedge
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
December 21 2010 01:53 GMT
#62
Great writeup again this week.

Love the drama involved with KT, SKT. Nothing better than beating someone who talked trash before the match, though that in itself takes balls.
Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
December 21 2010 06:30 GMT
#63
On December 19 2010 17:30 johanngrunt wrote:
I don't follow BW much, but one line in the OP stood out as strange to me.

" Considering Terran is easily the strongest race, they even have Skyhigh who is pretty much the best TvT player who has ever existed."

I thought BW was completely balanced? This just seems strange to me, and I hope someone can explain without calling me a noob, which I am, but I want to learn.



Terran can beat Flash. Terran imba.

Nice writeup, thanks guys.
"Bisu is just too good." - Jaedong (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218995) "Bisu hyung's play is just too good" - Flash (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225861)
Anomarad
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada565 Posts
December 21 2010 09:27 GMT
#64
Even though I'm pretty up-to-date with the BW I still love reading these. Keep up the good work guys.
Metaspace
Profile Joined November 2006
Austria670 Posts
December 21 2010 10:35 GMT
#65
Fabulous battle reports!
Wir haben zuwenig Vespingas!
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 21 2010 11:29 GMT
#66
Upheaval was such a good name lolol
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 21 2010 14:11 GMT
#67
Sick job with this write-up, you guys rock! ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
sCriv
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom90 Posts
December 21 2010 18:31 GMT
#68
Nice article, great read and very interesting as usual! However, I don't agree with alot of the A-C player ratings (as I'm sure not everyone will). Just because I'm bored and have some time, I want to share my thoughts.

Lets start with Protoss.

You have Snow as B+ but Pure as only B-? This seems completely illogical to me seeing as Pure's results have been alot better than Snow's, not just recently, but for a few PL seasons now. I see your point about Pure's slight inconsistencies, but his game sense and decision making are much above Snow's in all matchups, barring PvT. You could argue that Snow is much more inconsistent; outside of PvT I can't recall one standout victory for him or a game where I could say he completely dominated, whereas I can name many for Pure - again, in all matchups.

Horang2 is rated B and Movie only a C? Come on dude, you have got to be kidding me. An OSL finalist is not a bad player - inconsistent perhaps, but the fundamental skills, decision making, game sense etc are all there. He is just lacking confidence. Contrast this to Horang2 who, in my opinion, is just plain awful in comparison, and to be honest, even more inconsistent. I'm genuinely staggered you can rate him as B. I don't think I've ever even seen him win a PL game yet this season, correct me if I'm wrong?

I agree with Lucifer as C-, though perhaps that is still a little harsh.. I'd put him more C or C+.

Terran.

I actually concur with the ratings, I think they are very fair. My only criticsm would be having Baby at only a B+ when you have Leta at A-. There is just no way on this earth Leta is better than Baby - he just isn't, its a fact, and I know the majority of people will agree with me. As you even rightly mentioned, Leta has been in a slump and really making some horrible plays in some matches that he should have been winning, yet despite this he is still A-? Contrast this with Baby who has looked very comfortable - certainly not the complete package yet by any means, but he is definitely in the process of upping his game and I'm sure he will eventually join the elite Terran players' club. Hes playing with alot of confidence, and his unpredictability, ironically now, makes him even stronger in my book. He is not afraid to do some crazy builds, and to be honest, more often than not he pulls them off - I think he still isn't getting enough credit.

Zerg

Think you have horrendously overrated RorO putting him at B+ and horrendously underrated HogiL at C+. For me, I'd put them both at B-/B. Whilst RorO is quite a consistent player and is a tough match for any progamer these days, I think he plays too safe and doesn't have that creative spark to push him on top be a very high level Zerg. He is the average Joe of all matchups, solid in all, but not remarkable in one. HogiL for me is the opposite. I honestly rate his ZvP as being one of the best around, however I'm not as convinced in his ZvT, and certainly not his ZvZ. On reflection I'd put them as about the same, mayb RorO might be slightly better, but I just don't find his play that remarkable to justify a B+ rating, especially looking at the quality Terrand Protoss players you have rated as just B+.



Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
December 21 2010 19:15 GMT
#69
You have Snow as B+ but Pure as only B-? This seems completely illogical to me seeing as Pure's results have been alot better than Snow's, not just recently, but for a few PL seasons now. I see your point about Pure's slight inconsistencies, but his game sense and decision making are much above Snow's in all matchups, barring PvT. You could argue that Snow is much more inconsistent; outside of PvT I can't recall one standout victory for him or a game where I could say he completely dominated, whereas I can name many for Pure - again, in all matchups.


Snow is 8-6 this season, Pure is 7-8. Pure was extremely good at Central Hills -- remove that and Pure is nothing but terrible. How many games for Pure can you say "Pure dominated"? I know of games where Pure played well -- but lost anyway due to his rather poor map sense. Pure is extremely streaky in that regard. Pure has a HUGE variance in terms of skill and once he starts taking a bad beat he goes down further down the hole -- meanwhile Snow seems to have much less variance.

Pure at his peak is rather strong, in fact, I would say when Pure is playing well, he plays like the best fucking Protoss ever. But when Pure plays bad, he loses to Modesty PvZ. I put a lot of weight in consistency and dependability -- and Pure just failed that rather badly. Snow has cases of some shaky control and some very questionable decisions, but I think overall his play is good enough to be relied upon. I would hate to rely on Pure.

Horang2 is rated B and Movie only a C? Come on dude, you have got to be kidding me. An OSL finalist is not a bad player - inconsistent perhaps, but the fundamental skills, decision making, game sense etc are all there. He is just lacking confidence. Contrast this to Horang2 who, in my opinion, is just plain awful in comparison, and to be honest, even more inconsistent. I'm genuinely staggered you can rate him as B. I don't think I've ever even seen him win a PL game yet this season, correct me if I'm wrong?


Movie is a C. Just because he made the OSL finals one lucky season does not mean he's a solid player with fundamental skills. Every game he has showed after the OSL finals has been an utter joke. FYI, Horang2 is 7-4 and Movie is 3-6.

I actually concur with the ratings, I think they are very fair. My only criticsm would be having Baby at only a B+ when you have Leta at A-. There is just no way on this earth Leta is better than Baby - he just isn't, its a fact, and I know the majority of people will agree with me. As you even rightly mentioned, Leta has been in a slump and really making some horrible plays in some matches that he should have been winning, yet despite this he is still A-? Contrast this with Baby who has looked very comfortable - certainly not the complete package yet by any means, but he is definitely in the process of upping his game and I'm sure he will eventually join the elite Terran players' club. Hes playing with alot of confidence, and his unpredictability, ironically now, makes him even stronger in my book. He is not afraid to do some crazy builds, and to be honest, more often than not he pulls them off - I think he still isn't getting enough credit.


Baby has zero game sense. I'm a huge Baby fan, and I'll be the first to admit his play isn't as solid as Leta especially when it gets past knowing what to do in certain situations. If you look at the games this season, not many of them show solid game sense -- they've been either well prepared cheeses (he won a few games via triple bunkers and proxy factories lifted into the Zerg's base). I dunno. I would still say Leta is a lot more solid than Baby for now and i think a lot of that has to do with just experience.

Think you have horrendously overrated RorO putting him at B+ and horrendously underrated HogiL at C+. For me, I'd put them both at B-/B. Whilst RorO is quite a consistent player and is a tough match for any progamer these days, I think he plays too safe and doesn't have that creative spark to push him on top be a very high level Zerg. He is the average Joe of all matchups, solid in all, but not remarkable in one. HogiL for me is the opposite. I honestly rate his ZvP as being one of the best around, however I'm not as convinced in his ZvT, and certainly not his ZvZ. On reflection I'd put them as about the same, mayb RorO might be slightly better, but I just don't find his play that remarkable to justify a B+ rating, especially looking at the quality Terrand Protoss players you have rated as just B+.


I'm not too sure how you can ever say Roro should be rated the same as Hogil... seriously? I would highly recommend you check TLPDs because I think a lot of your opinions are quite outdated and I'm not even sure how you get to the decisions you've gotten :S just check historical performances too and you'll see why Roro is rated a lot higher than Hogil ~_~
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
December 21 2010 20:51 GMT
#70
Definitely proud too be rocking my ACE banner
Dagon
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania264 Posts
December 21 2010 22:44 GMT
#71
It îs articles like this that show me just how much better BW was than SC2.. Both the match reviews and the 'hype' was awesome.. I thank you!
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
December 22 2010 00:37 GMT
#72
On December 22 2010 07:44 Dagon wrote:
It îs articles like this that show me just how much better BW was than SC2.. Both the match reviews and the 'hype' was awesome.. I thank you!

was? bw is still kicking ass on a daily basis.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 22 2010 01:38 GMT
#73
Baby has the best multitasking of any progamer


Really? Thats a bold statement, considering you have people like JD, Bisu and Flash. I'm just suprised cause I've never heard Baby mentioned as having phenomenal multitasking abilities.

Any games/statistics that really show of his capabilities in this area?
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
FlyingProbe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France7 Posts
December 22 2010 10:27 GMT
#74
Such a nice news, love the team reports, keep it going.
yo
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
December 22 2010 20:18 GMT
#75
On December 22 2010 10:38 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
Baby has the best multitasking of any progamer


Really? Thats a bold statement, considering you have people like JD, Bisu and Flash. I'm just suprised cause I've never heard Baby mentioned as having phenomenal multitasking abilities.

Any games/statistics that really show of his capabilities in this area?


I don't actually remember any games off the top of my head, but Baby's TvTs are really good for displaying his multitasking. Bisu is definitely a close second, but i'll 100% give it to Baby
lastreason
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania250 Posts
December 23 2010 10:06 GMT
#76
fbh changed the morale of ace from roots
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