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[GSL] Liquid`Jinro, EG.IdrA - S3 Ro32 Foreigner Sp. - Page 5

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pHelix Equilibria
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1134 Posts
December 02 2010 14:30 GMT
#81
On December 02 2010 14:29 Spenguin wrote:
How can the korean players not like Idra?

Thanks for the write-up and the interviews, great job once again :D


Probably because IdrA is bad mannered, and in the Korean culture and society, mannerisms go a long way. A very long way. Idra will never deserve the respect from the Koreans in regards to manners.
Kelsin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States253 Posts
December 02 2010 14:43 GMT
#82
I love watching both of these guys play (With Idra and Ret being my favorite players overall).

Good luck to Jinro moving forward, I'll be rooting for him!

Excited to see more Team Liquid and EG in GSL 4!
Bleb
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia278 Posts
December 02 2010 14:49 GMT
#83
Still no TL beanies in store?!?
good luck jinro in ro16!
laguu
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland278 Posts
December 02 2010 15:29 GMT
#84
Out of the two, it's so much easier to be a fan of Jinro..
Arguing with a fool proves there are two.
neoenigma
Profile Joined October 2010
United States243 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 15:52:33
December 02 2010 15:45 GMT
#85
On December 02 2010 18:59 Black Gun wrote:
i wonder how the koreans would have reacted to the immense amounts of bm nony and idra were throwing at each other before their TSL ro8 match....

but ok, its a different culture which values manners much more than ours does... but tbh i can somehow understand the hate he gets. did he really just say the following?

Show nested quote +
No, the Korean players have always recognized that I'm one of the best and most of them don't like me very much.


did he just say this after being knocked out in the ro32 for the second time in 3 gsls? he has not reached ro8 once in 3 tries, and still considers himself one of the best?

i dont wanna say that he is not, but the facts are barely backing up his claims, so it just feels akward and a little arrogant to me. same thing last gsl. after his ro32 win, he said something along the lines of "if i dont run into cool too early, i think i got a good chance to take the whole tournament", just to get completely outclassed in the next round by zenio, who in the following round got completely outclassed himself.

its not just his bm, its his general attitude which gets him so much hate. and although i dont share this hate, i can still understand why others feel about him like they do.

His GSL1 loss was... pretty sad to watch. Obvious mistake on his part. But he lost to zenio in GSL2 who is a really good zerg. Losing to MVP in GSL3 (highest ranked on Korean ladder) is ALSO no reason to say Idra isn't one of the best. What round you get knocked out in does not matter. A lot of AMAZING players have been knocked out really early.

Not saying Idra IS the best... but he's played in 3 straight GSLs, qualifying against the best of the best and winning at least 1 game in each tournament. When you consider that the GSL is a tournament for the best in the entire world... losing to just about any RO32 participant is not difficult. Especially in a game like SC2 where the winner of a match is often very surprising.

So I'll continue to believe that Idra IS one of the best... and will only get better as he learns from his mistakes. Looking forward to seeing him play in future GSLs (because... you know.. he has code S. Something *cough* very easy to get. *cough*).

Oh... and these crappy maps and poor spawn placements certainly do not help...
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
December 02 2010 15:51 GMT
#86
Go jinro
Smackzilla
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States539 Posts
December 02 2010 15:52 GMT
#87
Can't wait for Jinro's match. Definitely setting the alarm for that. GSL, coffee, a pwnage at 3am!
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Turnus
Profile Joined June 2007
United States86 Posts
December 02 2010 15:53 GMT
#88
On December 03 2010 00:29 laguu wrote:
Out of the two, it's so much easier to be a fan of Jinro..


Yeah right! How can one argue with Idra's consistency and the fact that he recognizes that the Koreans don't necessarily like him very much.

He is the Kanye of Starcraft 2, a major difference being that Idra is actually intelligent with worthwhile opinions. I cheer for Idra and feel for him in his frustrating defeats.
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Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
December 02 2010 16:36 GMT
#89
Thanks for the fast interviews. :D
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 17:24:46
December 02 2010 16:57 GMT
#90
On December 03 2010 00:45 neoenigma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 18:59 Black Gun wrote:
i wonder how the koreans would have reacted to the immense amounts of bm nony and idra were throwing at each other before their TSL ro8 match....

but ok, its a different culture which values manners much more than ours does... but tbh i can somehow understand the hate he gets. did he really just say the following?

No, the Korean players have always recognized that I'm one of the best and most of them don't like me very much.


did he just say this after being knocked out in the ro32 for the second time in 3 gsls? he has not reached ro8 once in 3 tries, and still considers himself one of the best?

i dont wanna say that he is not, but the facts are barely backing up his claims, so it just feels akward and a little arrogant to me. same thing last gsl. after his ro32 win, he said something along the lines of "if i dont run into cool too early, i think i got a good chance to take the whole tournament", just to get completely outclassed in the next round by zenio, who in the following round got completely outclassed himself.

its not just his bm, its his general attitude which gets him so much hate. and although i dont share this hate, i can still understand why others feel about him like they do.

His GSL1 loss was... pretty sad to watch. Obvious mistake on his part. But he lost to zenio in GSL2 who is a really good zerg. Losing to MVP in GSL3 (highest ranked on Korean ladder) is ALSO no reason to say Idra isn't one of the best. What round you get knocked out in does not matter. A lot of AMAZING players have been knocked out really early.

Not saying Idra IS the best... but he's played in 3 straight GSLs, qualifying against the best of the best and winning at least 1 game in each tournament. When you consider that the GSL is a tournament for the best in the entire world... losing to just about any RO32 participant is not difficult. Especially in a game like SC2 where the winner of a match is often very surprising.

So I'll continue to believe that Idra IS one of the best... and will only get better as he learns from his mistakes. Looking forward to seeing him play in future GSLs (because... you know.. he has code S. Something *cough* very easy to get. *cough*).

Oh... and these crappy maps and poor spawn placements certainly do not help...



his loses in gsl2 and 3 are excusable, yes. but they still dont back up the claim of being one of the best. i personally interpret "one of the best" as something like top 10 or top 20 players in the world, not top 60 or so which idra is, resultswise. (he probably is easily top 30 in terms of skill, but i was talking about results...)

but when he talks about more or less only fruitdealer standing between him and the title after winning in the ro32, then getting outclassed in the next round by an opponent who himself was outclassed by the eventual winner, i can only conclude that at the time of gsl2, nestea was at least 2 classes better than idra at zvz. kinda cocky to talk about one´s great chances of winning it all after the ro32 when you are in fact brutally outclassed in at least one of the 3 matchups by several other contenders.

some more humility sometimes would fit him well imho.

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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
December 02 2010 17:11 GMT
#91
On December 03 2010 01:57 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 00:45 neoenigma wrote:
On December 02 2010 18:59 Black Gun wrote:
i wonder how the koreans would have reacted to the immense amounts of bm nony and idra were throwing at each other before their TSL ro8 match....

but ok, its a different culture which values manners much more than ours does... but tbh i can somehow understand the hate he gets. did he really just say the following?

No, the Korean players have always recognized that I'm one of the best and most of them don't like me very much.


did he just say this after being knocked out in the ro32 for the second time in 3 gsls? he has not reached ro8 once in 3 tries, and still considers himself one of the best?

i dont wanna say that he is not, but the facts are barely backing up his claims, so it just feels akward and a little arrogant to me. same thing last gsl. after his ro32 win, he said something along the lines of "if i dont run into cool too early, i think i got a good chance to take the whole tournament", just to get completely outclassed in the next round by zenio, who in the following round got completely outclassed himself.

its not just his bm, its his general attitude which gets him so much hate. and although i dont share this hate, i can still understand why others feel about him like they do.

His GSL1 loss was... pretty sad to watch. Obvious mistake on his part. But he lost to zenio in GSL2 who is a really good zerg. Losing to MVP in GSL3 (highest ranked on Korean ladder) is ALSO no reason to say Idra isn't one of the best. What round you get knocked out in does not matter. A lot of AMAZING players have been knocked out really early.

Not saying Idra IS the best... but he's played in 3 straight GSLs, qualifying against the best of the best and winning at least 1 game in each tournament. When you consider that the GSL is a tournament for the best in the entire world... losing to just about any RO32 participant is not difficult. Especially in a game like SC2 where the winner of a match is often very surprising.

So I'll continue to believe that Idra IS one of the best... and will only get better as he learns from his mistakes. Looking forward to seeing him play in future GSLs (because... you know.. he has code S. Something *cough* very easy to get. *cough*).

Oh... and these crappy maps and poor spawn placements certainly do not help...



his loses in gsl2 and 3 are excusable, yes. but they still dont back up the claim of being one of the best. i personally interpret "one of the best" as something like top 10 or top 20 players in the world, not top 60 or so which idra is, resultswise. (he probably is easily top 30 in terms of skill, but i was talking about results...)

but when he talks about more or less only fruitdealer standing between him and the title after winning in the ro32, then getting outclassed in the next round by an opponent who himself was outclassed by the eventual winner, i can only conclude that at the time of gsl2, nestea was at least 2 classes better than idra at zvz. kinda cocky to talk about one´s great chances of winning it all after the ro32 when you are in fact brutally outclassed in at least one of the 3 matchups by several other contenders.

some more humility sometimes would fit him well imho.


How exactly do you come to the conclusion his results make him top 60? Please, explain. Also please explain how he can be S class (top 32 in gsl) with his results placing him at 60.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 17:35:04
December 02 2010 17:12 GMT
#92
CHINROOOOOOO!!!!!!! "Hot and Dangerous" - Ke$ha hahaha. Time to make a silly cheerful.

Placement isn't relative to skill. IdrA got really unlucky with that close spawn on Metal, not to take away from MvP for the flawless timing push. If anything, he's the most consistent player in the GSL qualifying for all 3. Consistency > "Flash in the pan" - IdrA.

For now it's all about the Jinro Beanie of +9001 skill. The beanie really has the Emperor's brain in it. Avenge him!

*edit* @Ggrrg - Exactly LOL.. I have a ton of work for mid-terms and I should probably be down there all day tomorrow to work... but gots to stay up to watch Jinro. God help me lol >_<
Hazzah
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland37 Posts
December 02 2010 17:16 GMT
#93
in the 3rd game IdrA wasnt focus and he was nervous a bit imo..
fortunatley he didnt rage quit :p
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2717 Posts
December 02 2010 17:33 GMT
#94
Screw you, university! I'm staying home and watching Jinro!
Jinro fighting!
Jukebox Joe
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom358 Posts
December 02 2010 17:38 GMT
#95
Great interviews. Congratulations to Jinro but I'm still bummed about Idra getting knocked out
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
December 02 2010 17:42 GMT
#96
If anyone here doubts that IdrA is one of the best foreigners, let me remind you he already is class S. The ONLY foreigner to be class S, and no matter who also gets it (C'mon Jinro!) he'll always be the first to do so. He's already cemented himself in the early history for Sc2, for however long this game goes on for.

On a note more related to the thread; Isn't it so refreshing to see a macro Terran succeed as well as Jinro has? Sure he's still turtling, but he expands enough to force zerg to expand many more times, scouts the hatches and snipes them. His game 2 win was so exaggerated, as he had the clear advantage to push in the last 5 minutes and he probably would have won. Trust an ex-BW player to sit on a lead, macro up, then force an all-in when Moon got so far behind.
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
December 02 2010 18:24 GMT
#97
So happy to see Jinro do well, I hope he continues to do well.
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ziggymondais
Profile Joined July 2009
United States238 Posts
December 02 2010 18:50 GMT
#98
That match on Scrap Station was just beautiful!
Felby
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway81 Posts
December 02 2010 18:51 GMT
#99
Jinro is a beast!
10or10
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden517 Posts
December 02 2010 18:55 GMT
#100
When was the EG house revealed?

I've only heard about EGs "big korean plans" mentioned before I read this, but always assumed it was a team house maybe I've heard it in SotG.
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