EPT[LP] Speedling Expand - Page 3
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Neokarasu
United States20 Posts
11 Overlord 14 Gas 13 Pool 16 Queen + Speed 18 Overlord After that, you can get some lings to scout and either more lings/drones depending on what you scouted w/ your 1st Drone. You also get Lair immediately after the Queen is finished. I really how the timing unfolds (you get exactly 100 gas as soon as Pool is built and exactly 100 gas after the Queen is done) so this is what I've been using. | ||
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Parch
Canada8 Posts
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
Sooner or later you need to add Roaches / Hydras. Against a good player Hydras will always be too late unless you have a lot Spinecrawler, which then again deny your eco advantage. I've developed my own BO against 4 pools which works quite nice. Still, if I just mess up slightly a good Warp Gate push will punish me with defeat :> | ||
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NewDeal
Sweden26 Posts
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
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Riouh
Netherlands60 Posts
On September 20 2010 05:24 dogabutila wrote: 13pool isn't bronze proof just saying. So much 6 pool there. there's more 6pool in plat+ as people expect a macro/micro heavy match instead of proxy's rushes. out of 20 matches i've played against zerg in 1 day i got 6 pooled 15 times. diamond 1200+- ^^ | ||
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shawabawa
United Kingdom417 Posts
Bronze Proof does *not* mean you cannot lose in bronze with it, it means it can be executed with a Bronze level player's mechanics. A bronze player might well still lose to a 6-pool, that isn't the issue. | ||
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Necator
United States9 Posts
On September 20 2010 05:18 erulabs wrote: I have actually been doing a slightly modified opening of this build since I really started maining Zerg. My build is as follows: 9 over 12 pool 12 gas 16 queen 18 overlord 19 ling (gas trick, fast ling is for killing scout) @100 gas speed, take drones off gas and expand Versus protoss that is scouted to be 2 gate rushing, or terran that _is not_ walling (properly), I continue mining gas and build baneling nest @50, take units off gas at 100 (four banelings), and expand. This build once I really mastered it took me from 1100pt random to 1400pt zerg. This build is roughly the same economically as Sheths (due to 2 extra drones before starting to make lings/save for expo, but 1 less before saving for pool), but it also gets speed out slightly earlier rather than more lings out (this is to deal with very early reaper/reaper speed). Also, a note of 12 pool over 13. 12 pool is still larvae efficient, inotherwords, the hatchery never stops "larae production", even though you reach 2 larvae while waiting for minerals for pool. This gets your queen out faster, which is insanely helpful against crazy proxy 6/1gate play i've been seeing on 2 player maps lately. The only draw back is having 2 lings instead of 4, although the 2 come out (1 drones worth of time) earlier. 12 pool is also superior against Random players, as 13 pool against 6pool becomes a matter of micro, whereas 12 pool simply wins (due to lings and queen). Also, about the baneling addition. If you do the gas trick to build a zergling on 19 and _leave_ the gas geyser, you can get to 150 gas very quickly. Then just move all 6 drones back to minerals and expand behind the bust. This strategy is not only not _all in_ (i've had it fail 100% and have gone on to win many many times), it only sets you 2 or 3 drones behind where you would have had you skipped banelings. It also gives Zerg pressure on Terran early game (!!!), which IMO, is worth any amount of minerals. | ||
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Thraundil
Denmark278 Posts
 How does this build order hold up vs very fast zealot pushes or fast void rays? By biggest problem with fast expanding before you have lings up is its so easy for your opponent to apply a ton of pressure to you with just a few units, without really paying on his own econ. Being forced to spend larvae on lings instead of drones is bad :p | ||
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ReDTerraN
Sweden88 Posts
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Chronocide
United States126 Posts
On September 20 2010 17:31 Pholon wrote: Obviously we left this part out in purpose to try and lure you guys into contributing ;o haha I understand. If I knew the answer I would totally add it  | ||
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onmach
United States1241 Posts
Also, what do I even spend those extra minerals on after I've expanded. If I make any drones at all, I end up with a huge mineral surplus, but if I make zerglings I can do nothing with them except for break rocks. If I leave my drones on gas for at least another 100, at least I'll be able to bring up my lair without delay. | ||
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Dannyyyyyyyyyyyyy
United States4 Posts
but you dont make anything inbetween it should be 15 overlord 15 queen 17 ling | ||
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