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[LP] Speedling Expand

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[LP] Speedling Expand

Text byAesop
September 19th, 2010 18:05 GMT
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Liquipedia Weekly #5

Fighting the imbalance, or at least trying to...

It's about time we took another look at the main reason why Liquipedia was established - the strategies! This week we're going to take a look at the Speedling Expand build that originated from Sheth's ZvP guide from the beta. There are a number of important things you can take from this article, particularly what a "bronze proof" build is, how you can convert guides on the forums into articles on Liquipedia and how articles can be translated.



(Wiki)Speedling Expand

Before we even get to the article itself, you will notice that this build is what we like to call "Bronze Proof". You can see this by the little bronze colored tick next to the build in the Zerg strategies list.

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Bronze Proof

What this means is that the build is safe to use at any level. It is very easy to execute, but at the same time viable at every level. These are the perfect type of builds to mass game with on the ladder. They will lead on to create more midgame scenarios where your mechanics and decision making can be trained. These strategies may not pay off immediately, as in your record is probably going to get a lot worse in the short term, but as you develop your skills in the long run you will be better off.

If you see a build which you think is "Bronze Proof" you can make it so simply by inserting the following code into the article:
{{Bronze Proof}}


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Occasionally you may come across an article that has been translated. If so, you will see a list of available languages at the top of the page. Since our editors generally only edit pages in English, we can't guarantee that the translated versions are up to date or accurate - but we can say that they are a useful starting point if you can't understand English that well and happen to speak, in this case, Japanese.

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I can only take a guess at what that says!

If you want to contribute to the wiki by translating what has been written, we're more than happy to have you do that! If you need help getting started, or help at any point during the editing - feel free to PM a Liquipedia staff member for help!

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As with all Liquipedia articles, this one begins with an overview. It lets you know the basic premises of the build and the basic theory behind it. Of course, all the juicy details will come later - but this should give you a fairly good indication about whether this is a build you want to incorporate into your game or not.

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Now we come to the bit you wanted - the build! Since this build is really a flexible opening system, rather than a set in stone build, Liquipedia can only offer a basic build order for this opening in contrast to the Korean Warpgate article we featured earlier. The speedling expand opening easily adapts into any midgame play style the Zerg wants to employ (be it Nydus, Muta/Ling or Hydra/Roach) and thus is yet another reason why this has been pegged as a Bronze Proof build.

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After the build comes some explanation - in the image above I've cut out a bit of the article where it explains how to play against 1 gate Protoss. There are also details for some of the other common Protoss openings like forge expand and 2 Gate pressure. The notes written here are arguably more important than the build itself since this build is design to be as flexible as possible. That means a lot of your play will be dictated by your opponent - if he is playing a safe macro game, great, so are you, if he's playing a pressure oriented build you will have to keep to the dictated speedling : zealot ratio until you're experienced enough to be able to judge the situation by yourself.

It's very difficult to articulate and write down everything that goes on in reading your opponent and adapting the build based on what he's doing, so as always experience is crucial in dictating how you should play out the game. With that said, the advice outlined in the article should serve as an excellent starting point for a less experienced player. But remember, there is no substitute for mass gaming and experience!

This article isn't perfect, it could be improved by having a more comprehensive transition section. As in, a more detailed section outlining how the build evolves into each of the major midgame options. For instance, a few paragraphs outlining how this build can be adapted into a Muta/Ling midgame would enhance the article significantly. If you feel like you can add this detail, then go for it!. The beauty of the mediawiki format is that anyone can edit it, so please don't be afraid to!


That's it for the Speedling Expand build! As you could probably tell, this build was adapted from a forum post on TL. You too can do the same! Seen a guide that you've used/liked/experienced/written? Then add it to Liquipedia! That way the collective knowledge of the SC2 community grows, and the forum post isn't forgotten about once it's bumped off the first page. It immortalises the guide inside the wiki and many generations of gamers will give it a read.

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ChubbyChiBee
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom13 Posts
September 19 2010 18:06 GMT
#2
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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
September 19 2010 18:07 GMT
#3
Just copyed some builds on my notebook. Keep up the good work!
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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
September 19 2010 18:09 GMT
#4
Bronze proof. LOL
Poor Bronze leaguers.
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zTz
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States476 Posts
September 19 2010 18:17 GMT
#5
Nice preview of wiki potential.
Great article! gj team
where's the rants n flames section?
palanq
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States761 Posts
September 19 2010 18:17 GMT
#6
"bronze-proof" sounds elitist but I think the bronze-proof builds should be very useful even to good players for off-racing. gogo liquipedia!
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Purpose2
Profile Joined August 2010
England187 Posts
September 19 2010 18:18 GMT
#7
poor bronzeys
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drag_
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
England425 Posts
September 19 2010 18:20 GMT
#8
Much love for the japanese translator!
spancho
Profile Joined September 2009
United States161 Posts
September 19 2010 18:21 GMT
#9
This is going to do wonders for my Zerg play. Ive only been playing 'toss ever since the early beta, but have been trying to get back to the swarm I knew and loved from SC:BW.
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Munk-E
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States672 Posts
September 19 2010 18:29 GMT
#10
I usually stay 1 base until i have 20-30 speedlings and attack (use baneling bust if necessary) and expand then. I have the timing laid out so i can start my lair and set up the expo as soon as the attack is done, and if it miserably fails, I don't expo quite yet.
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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
September 19 2010 18:35 GMT
#11
Always wondered what "Bronze Proof" meant, and now I know! Good strat, I'll have to give it a try when I offrace.
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
September 19 2010 18:53 GMT
#12
On September 20 2010 03:21 spancho wrote:
This is going to do wonders for my Zerg play. Ive only been playing 'toss ever since the early beta, but have been trying to get back to the swarm I knew and loved from SC:BW.


Won't happen unless you play BW. The swarm feels like a caricature of its former self.
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SpiDaH
Profile Joined March 2010
France198 Posts
September 19 2010 19:01 GMT
#13
nice idea with the bronze proof thing! Keep it up liquid!
Ordained
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
September 19 2010 19:19 GMT
#14
Bronze proof lol. I love this build, I have been using a variation of it against Terran or Protoss for a while now.
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-19 19:27:11
September 19 2010 19:22 GMT
#15
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Speedling_Expand
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/14_Gas_Speed_(Vs_Protoss)
just reminds me of that the zergling timing and queen is a bit earlier so is the expansion, but i find that if you can't expand due to strong aggression that later timing is better for macro also due to not pulling on gas which is good for units and for lair tech.
endieg
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany49 Posts
September 19 2010 19:37 GMT
#16
love the liquipedia for sc2
it helped A LOT!!!
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 19 2010 19:39 GMT
#17
On September 20 2010 04:22 semantics wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Speedling_Expand
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/14_Gas_Speed_(Vs_Protoss)
just reminds me of that the zergling timing and queen is a bit earlier so is the expansion, but i find that if you can't expand due to strong aggression that later timing is better for macro also due to not pulling on gas which is good for units and for lair tech.

mmm those articles should be merged methinks!
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-19 19:45:25
September 19 2010 19:44 GMT
#18
They are sightly different I do 14 gas speed because well it's my build haha
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113449#3
I have change it a bit in terms of units and responses but i haven't been playing competitively so what works now could very well be the earlier 13 gas 13 pool, i used to abuse the zerglings running though unit walls so much with that opening.
erulabs
Profile Joined April 2010
United States41 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-19 20:40:27
September 19 2010 20:18 GMT
#19
I have actually been doing a slightly modified opening of this build since I really started maining Zerg. My build is as follows:

9 over
12 pool
12 gas
16 queen
18 overlord
19 ling (gas trick, fast ling is for killing scout)
@100 gas speed, take drones off gas and expand

Versus protoss that is scouted to be 2 gate rushing, or terran that _is not_ walling (properly), I continue mining gas and build baneling nest @50, take units off gas at 100 (four banelings), and expand.

This build once I really mastered it took me from 1100pt random to 1400pt zerg. This build is roughly the same economically as Sheths (due to 2 extra drones before starting to make lings/save for expo, but 1 less before saving for pool), but it also gets speed out slightly earlier rather than more lings out (this is to deal with very early reaper/reaper speed).

Also, a note of 12 pool over 13. 12 pool is still larvae efficient, inotherwords, the hatchery never stops "larae production", even though you reach 2 larvae while waiting for minerals for pool. This gets your queen out faster, which is insanely helpful against crazy proxy 6/1gate play i've been seeing on 2 player maps lately. The only draw back is having 2 lings instead of 4, although the 2 come out (1 drones worth of time) earlier. 12 pool is also superior against Random players, as 13 pool against 6pool becomes a matter of micro, whereas 12 pool simply wins (due to lings and queen).

Also, about the baneling addition. If you do the gas trick to build a zergling on 19 and _leave_ the gas geyser, you can get to 150 gas very quickly. Then just move all 6 drones back to minerals and expand behind the bust. This strategy is not only not _all in_ (i've had it fail 100% and have gone on to win many many times), it only sets you 2 or 3 drones behind where you would have had you skipped banelings. It also gives Zerg pressure on Terran early game (!!!), which IMO, is worth any amount of minerals.
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dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
September 19 2010 20:24 GMT
#20
13pool isn't bronze proof just saying. So much 6 pool there.
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