warpgates makes macro easier? lol wtf is this shit. warpgates make macro harder.... try making units out of gateways/barracks, then try out of warpgates. It is quite obvious which is much harder to do imo and in my experience.

hejakev

Sweden518 Posts

June 04 2010 22:23 GMT

#102

On June 05 2010 07:06 Patches wrote:
Critiques are interesting when they contain personality and opinion. Props to Idra. I could care less how much I end up agreeing with him on this or that, I'm just glad he's around to stir the pot.

He's a great player, and though he's famous for having horrible manners, I think that's what's awesome about him. Korea is too calm, it needs that old-fashioned American temper here and there.

And I actually agreed with him on just about everything he said, if not all of it.

sc1saus

15 Posts

June 04 2010 22:38 GMT

#103

Hope Blizzard reads these comments on B.net and starts working on it.

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

June 04 2010 22:56 GMT

#104

omg did anyone see that

Void Ray
VoidRay
VoIdrAy

mind, blown.

CeveRR

Sweden16 Posts

June 05 2010 00:06 GMT

#105

I really do hope blizzard takes all (is there actually ANYONE?! outside blizzard that likes b.net 2.0?? god damn..) of this into concern cus 2.0 could be made better on a commodore 64. sigh

Mr.Ch4rms

Canada84 Posts

June 05 2010 00:26 GMT

#106

omg i shouldve read teh TL;DR first, sums it up so nice.

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

June 05 2010 00:58 GMT

#107

On June 05 2010 07:18 Mastermind wrote:
warpgates makes macro easier? lol wtf is this shit. warpgates make macro harder.... try making units out of gateways/barracks, then try out of warpgates. It is quite obvious which is much harder to do imo and in my experience.

I find warpgates to be the easiest way to macro by far

SagaZ

France3460 Posts

June 05 2010 01:55 GMT

#108

interesting read, not alot of new things being brought tho. other than artosis whinning ALOT bout the roach nerf

LittLeLives

United States692 Posts

June 05 2010 02:01 GMT

#109

Haha Bnet 2.0. Good one.
More like Bnet 0.2
amirite? :D

Thanks for this. Idra is pretty spot on with how I feel about SC2 as a whole. Hope Blizzard swallows their pride and realize they made a mistake.

Playguuu

United States926 Posts

June 05 2010 02:35 GMT

#110

LZ and typical terran not able to admit there's a problem/imbalance with their race. Yeah roaches were OP for a long time, now they're acceptable in your eyes that you can just go mech and have no problems with zerg. There really is no reason a 200/200 zerg army with stored larva and bank minerals can't break a 120/200 terran mech army, that's just criminal.

WGT-Baal

France3513 Posts

June 05 2010 02:51 GMT

#111

On June 04 2010 14:11 Eeeegor wrote:
Thanks - the comments on BNet 2.0 were especially interesting

this!

Nice read, thanks

swanized

Canada2480 Posts

June 05 2010 03:27 GMT

#112

I find it funny they want us to goble that SC2 might beat BW as a spectator sport just since they have a small chance of beating the koreans at this game

love Idra

I think the BM is more of an attitude he is giving himself to stir up the pot because when you find him out of competitive SC scene he looks really nice

just my 2 cents

SixSongs

Poland1455 Posts

June 05 2010 04:59 GMT

#113

Great read. I agree about chat channels. And in general BN 2 sux.

jax1492

United States1632 Posts

June 05 2010 05:06 GMT

#114

great read, im always interested in irda and artosis's thoughts are on sc2 matters.

Flames

United States105 Posts

June 05 2010 06:37 GMT

#115

Interesting read. The comments on Bnet 2.0 was the most interesting by far to me. I hope Blizzard addresses these problems in time for release.

404.Delirium

United States1190 Posts

June 05 2010 08:59 GMT

#116

Wow, that was a great article. Great fun and a great way to tie up the close of Beta.

Soel

90 Posts

June 05 2010 09:48 GMT

#117

Wow idra really makes himself look like a jack ass in that interview.

Every single reply is negative, or whining about roach nerf. Lol.

{ToT}ColmA

Japan3260 Posts

June 05 2010 11:41 GMT

#118

nice read, thanks \o-;

Latvia791 Posts

June 05 2010 12:32 GMT

#119

Really nice commentaries. Maybe all these questions should have been asked after the beta ends, but it still makes it very interesting to read opinions of higher tier players than myself.

Thing is I totally agree with all of them, obviously Machine's and Lz's comments about zerg changes make me agree even more since I'm a zerg player as well.

With all the old bm and bullshit IdrA associated for me, these comments made me like him even more. Straight on the point.

I really feel like they overdid it with Roach. Roach needs 3 upgrades as of now to be completely effective and marauder can go even without stim and concussion. And the costs are ridiculously different with the ridiculously different effectiveness. All of this is said because even protoss doesn't go too well, maybe even worse, against marauders with support and marauders are tier1. Nothing can stop them propely from other races on tier1. (It doesn't mean I lose to marauders all the time, but I've been playing all 3 races on purpose and I feel that when I play terran it's easy-mode ground army wise for me and totally imba on tier1 - slow/stim + micro = gg).

Ultralisks are still useless for me. Frenzy spell is plain lol if I might say so since I don't even feel it deserves any serious description, a spot filler.

Overall I feel Protoss is the most balanced with some issues, nothing feels truly weak or extremely strong. Proper use constitutes worth/effectiveness, feels as good/similar as in BW. Zerg is in the middle with some units being nerfed and even useless (everyone knows which those are by now) and Terran being the most peaky balance wise (usually with peaks over what I would call balance point of equilibrium). With tank damage nerf one peak fell down for me, not sure how it's gonna show itself yet.

In case anyone from developers read the forums an happen to read the mortal comments as well I could summarize zerg units (things I don't mention - I agree with):

Zergling - too weak on damage dealing;
Roach - too much supply with the effectiveness nerfs and required upgrades;
Hydralisk - too slow, even bulky;
Infestor - frenzy?
Ultra - starting to forget there is such a unit (no sarcasm or exaggeration);
Mutalisk - great, really love it;
Corruptor - overall balanced + dmg bonus is somewhat useful;
Queen - great as well, balanced and effective with proper use;
Broodlord - serves their function;

CeveRR

Sweden16 Posts

June 05 2010 15:29 GMT

#120

obviously blizzard dont give a fuck what we think or they would have fixed all of this already since the whole community addressed how much bullshit it is from the very beginning