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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
On May 18 2010 13:04 Leath wrote: Only Terrans and Zergs cheat. Us Protoss players are the real deal, we are incorruptible and win on skills alone. No need to fix matches.  Dont Start. + Show Spoiler + Even tho im a Protoss player :D<3 | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 18 2010 04:04 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: to choose an obviously erratic fan and try to make your point with them when you're not actually emotionally invested in the topic is definitely trolling I respectfully disagree. I am emotionally invested in defending people from perceived injustice, whoever they may be. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On May 18 2010 13:01 Wings wrote: A) Players indeed are still shining now... like Savior? Media attention is completely on this scandal. Are you seriously saying this will not take away from esports credibility and people's interest??? Players are undoubtedly doing well, but everyone's busy trying to find out who did what, who threw matches, etc. I guess you didn't know that that's what happens during a scandal. Everyone suffers. B) That's why I said that I wished everyone would come out, not that they will. Your reasoning is laughable and ridiculous, I'm saying that ideally if everyone who cheated came clean, people could enjoy a stronger peace of mind and trust in e-sports again. Apparently you didn't understand this. C) Why don't you go ask him yourself? And yes, e-sports will live, just as how if I slapped you really hard in the face, you won't die... or would you? By stating that people are shining right now, I was talking about players performing well and getting recognized for it. While this issue is getting media attention, it isn't stopping the rest of the players from doing what they do best and being recognized for it (as you stated in your original post). There is still plenty of talk and hype about the usual happenings of e-sport. In the end, this will blow over, just like the MSL debacle, pp, free agent scandal, etc. In a month's time I expect things will resume back to normal (of course without certain people). As for people losing interest in e-sports as a result of this, well so be it, but the truth of the matter is that this is a reality for every sport (and will be the case if sc2 becomes an esport as well). If there is money to be made by corruption (and there often is), someone will capitalize on it, its just life. As for my reasoning being laughable and ridiculous, I believe the same can be said for "Boxer must be absolutely fuckin fuming", which in my opinion is quite over the top. Either way, its clear we disagree on the long term consequences of this. People just love drama, and the hype that goes along with it. | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
On May 18 2010 13:04 Leath wrote: Only Terrans and Zergs cheat. Us Protoss players are the real deal, we are incorruptible and win on skills alone. No need to fix matches. thats as far as YOU know.~ | ||
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PhorClayton
United States198 Posts
I always wondered why Savior was rumored to be the #1 on ICCUP, and yet lost so much live. In all likely-hood, he could've been a dominating figure in '09, if he actually played. And although this is a scandal, it makes me happy. Because it's one step closer to Starcraft being considering a "real" sport; because when money like this is being used to corrupt the game, the shit's probably worth watching!  | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On May 18 2010 14:03 PhorClayton wrote: "I will dominate in 2009 [unless someone gives me millions to take a loss]." fixed. I always wondered why Savior was rumored to be the #1 on ICCUP, and yet lost so much live. In all likely-hood, he could've been a dominating figure in '09, if he actually played. And although this is a scandal, it makes me happy. Because it's one step closer to Starcraft being considering a "real" sport; because when money like this is being used to corrupt the game, the shit's probably worth watching! The quote was "I will destroy everyone in 2009" But I guess it only meant his fans.  | ||
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everstarleague
China89 Posts
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
On May 18 2010 14:03 PhorClayton wrote: I always wondered why Savior was rumored to be the #1 on ICCUP, and yet lost so much live. lollolol | ||
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
The quote was "I will destroy everyone in 2009" But I guess it only meant his fans. He destroyed me. Even now I want to believe him. Please say it aint so. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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KwarK
United States44452 Posts
On May 18 2010 09:36 jeremysaint wrote: any chance that the power failure in the msl was a kespa official paid to make sure jaedong won? what about that winners league where jaedong took the first three games and the lost to skyhigh, and then skyhigh all killed the rest of the oz team? did it seem odd that the oz coach put out players no one had ever heard of to face skyhigh? was he paid to throw the series? what about that time bisu didnt block his ramp in a gomtv tournament and jaedong destroyed him? i guess my point is, can we believe that any of these results are genuine? well i dont think bisu threw that match but you get the picture. More likely to be the opposite intention for the power failure. For a while it looked like JD was losing, if you wanted a regame to give JD another chance you'd pull the power then. Waiting until just after a big battle where JD finally got his defiler ultra combo going and secured his double gas and then pulling the power is pointless. JD had the game won so he doesn't gain anything from a freewin while precedent suggests that a regame is more likely. That power cut hurt JD, both in reputation and in the possibility of a regame on an unfair map with his build revealed. Nobody benefited from that power cut. | ||
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
You are indeed very respectful Z but...didn't you say that you were playing devils advocate? That usually implies that you're defending someone simply because everyone else is against him. By that term, do you mean instead that you feel someone is being vilified without just cause and you are moved to defend them because of their many, many detractors? Basically, I guess I'm asking if you believe Savior is being done an injustice? | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On May 17 2010 21:21 lowbright wrote: no they don't. they live in progaming houses with their fellow team members. iirc, in korean culture, there's nothing wrong with living with your parents until you get married. even in america, more people live with their parents after graduating to save money. there's really no shame in it. and nal_ra retired, he's a commentator now. oh, it happens, but i wouldn't say there isn't any shame in it. | ||
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KudoJoe
Korea (South)66 Posts
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
I mean, obviously, people find ways around it...houses tend to be built in "compartmentalized" schema so as to afford privacy even within the same house. | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On May 18 2010 14:58 KudoJoe wrote: Dont know if this was already posted on here. It seems like this news is on a lot of major broadcasting news shows. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S9M_vlrUIA Hilarous how the judge or whatever he was was talking about unit control!  | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On May 18 2010 10:57 Captain Peabody wrote: Scene: Mike Morhaime's office, a darkened room covered in Blizzard memorabilia. Mike Morhaime sits behind his desk, stroking a cat. Dustin Browder enters the room, and silently kneels before him. Dustin: What is thy bidding, my master? + Show Spoiler + Morhaime: There is a great disturbance in the fanbase. Dustin: I have felt it, my master. Morhaime: Many of the e-sports fans are not switching over to SC2. They believe the Korean BroodWar leagues are more competitive and...fun to watch. (Morhaime sneers) Dustin: But Kespa is just a small organization. Boxer can no longer help them... Morhaime: They could severely lessen our sales. Already, they have succeeded in getting SC2 rated Adults Only in Korea. If they continue to oppose us, the damage would be great. Dustin: But...if Kespa could be turned, they would be a powerful ally... Morhaime: Yes...yes...but can it be done? We have negotiated with them for three years, and still they refuse to bow to our whims. Dustin: If they cannot be turned...they will be destroyed. Morhaime: Yes...but how? Our greatest legal and parapsychological pressure has been ineffective against them. Dustin: Through Blizzard Korea and my contacts in the Illuminati, I have acquired certain information concerning the Korean progamers and proteams. Information about match-fixing scandals, involving the top echelon of players in Korea...including  sAviOr himself.Morhaime: Excellent! This information that could severely damage Kespa. I will travel to Korea immediately, and begin spreading this information among the Korean e-sports media. Kespa will be utterly destroyed! Dustin: But what if they survive? Morhaime: Do not worry, my servant. Through my contacts in the International Jesuit Conspiracy, I have acquired even more damaging information than this. If they will not bow to us, then they will find themselves shaken by scandal after scandal, until nothing at all remains of them but dust and ashes. And then, once Kespa is gone, we will step in, and take over all of e-sports. Starcraft 2's ascendancy will be assured! Dustin: But what if some of the fans discover what we're doing? What if they connect us to the scandal? Morhaime: That is unlikely. But even if they do, even if all of the foreign e-sports fans rebel against us...Kespa will fall, and there is nothing they can do to stop us. Mwa ha ha ha ha! (Morhaime subsides into maniacal laughter) Dustin: So be it, my master. Dustin rises to his feet, and exits the office. Mike Morhaime stands up slowly, and whispers an incantation over his cat. The cat transforms into a massive wing-ed HELLBEAST, which Morhaime leaps upon and rides off in the direction of Korea, cackling madly. Was this about what you had in mind?  Nice combo of Star Wars and Deus Ex :D | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
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chessmaster
United States268 Posts
then after screwing over his honest friends on his team , he screws over his dishonest cheating friends as well as the fag keeps the freaking pay out money .. lol who could not see that one coming if you were a part of it , "well he is a lying cheater , oh well guess we should have see that one coming since we are also lying cheaters " and think about the ones who were not cheating , the ones who were not even making the money he was ... so the guy wastes all his money on a bunch of crap .. cannot support his wasteful lifestyle , and now becuase he won a bunch of games in the past ,screwing over your teammates is not considered wrong ????how is this getting left out of your equation zato-1? the type of person that would sell out his own family for a buck .... that what those teams become i imagine ...like family .. they freaking live and work together all day every day , for years on end the guy is a total loser and has no ethics whatsoever .........you have b team and a team gamers working 12 hours a day for peanuts just for a shot at what he got,,,,,,,,you have other gamers almost at that level that were probably inspired by him ,,,, not to mention they probably get bonuses for the winners league race ... ... those games he threw probably could have an effect on those bonuses... if i was a struggling A team gamer barely making money , and the absolute richest player in e-sports is match fixing on my team costing me a chance at a badly needed extra money .. ...........well lets just say ... get a rope... time to get the mob together | ||
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