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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 25 2009 16:52 GMT
#741
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 25 2009 16:52 GMT
#742
On May 26 2009 01:45 crate wrote:
Go for it. You think I made mistakes?

I know I made mistakes.

I've nothing to hide right now. I'll call your bluff.

Show nested quote +
Shikyo wrote:
crate, the game isn't about lynching someone who "made mistakes" that you just got out of your ass, it's about lynching the mafia.

Yes and no. Yes in each individual game, but not entirely in the metagame sense. If you don't lynch stupid players then smart mafia will just act stupid and play the stupid card when called on it and they'll live. The game will eventually degrade into random finger-pointing with only clue analysis and DT and mafia-acting-like-DT roleclaims and such.

If you 14cc every game someone's going to BBS you until you stop doing it every game. It beats "standard play" but it's not the standard ... think about that for a bit. Same deal here.

No no no. You're getting it all wrong. Everyone is an individual. Something, someone acts stupid when they're townie, and sometimes he acts stupid when he's mafia. However, I still am apparently doing the most for the town, while the rest of the town is doing its best trying to get me killed.

Come on now, 8 kills and zero clues pointing against me?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 25 2009 16:52 GMT
#743
something -> sometimes
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 25 2009 16:54 GMT
#744
On May 26 2009 01:52 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2009 01:45 crate wrote:
Go for it. You think I made mistakes?

I know I made mistakes.

I've nothing to hide right now. I'll call your bluff.

Shikyo wrote:
crate, the game isn't about lynching someone who "made mistakes" that you just got out of your ass, it's about lynching the mafia.

Yes and no. Yes in each individual game, but not entirely in the metagame sense. If you don't lynch stupid players then smart mafia will just act stupid and play the stupid card when called on it and they'll live. The game will eventually degrade into random finger-pointing with only clue analysis and DT and mafia-acting-like-DT roleclaims and such.

If you 14cc every game someone's going to BBS you until you stop doing it every game. It beats "standard play" but it's not the standard ... think about that for a bit. Same deal here.

No no no. You're getting it all wrong. Everyone is an individual. Something, someone acts stupid when they're townie, and sometimes he acts stupid when he's mafia. However, I still am apparently doing the most for the town, while the rest of the town is doing its best trying to get me killed.

Come on now, 8 kills and zero clues pointing against me?


Didn't you say your nickname translates to death? So technically, 8 kills all point to you. You have no profile, we only get name clues for you.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 25 2009 16:55 GMT
#745
On May 26 2009 01:54 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2009 01:52 Shikyo wrote:
On May 26 2009 01:45 crate wrote:
Go for it. You think I made mistakes?

I know I made mistakes.

I've nothing to hide right now. I'll call your bluff.

Shikyo wrote:
crate, the game isn't about lynching someone who "made mistakes" that you just got out of your ass, it's about lynching the mafia.

Yes and no. Yes in each individual game, but not entirely in the metagame sense. If you don't lynch stupid players then smart mafia will just act stupid and play the stupid card when called on it and they'll live. The game will eventually degrade into random finger-pointing with only clue analysis and DT and mafia-acting-like-DT roleclaims and such.

If you 14cc every game someone's going to BBS you until you stop doing it every game. It beats "standard play" but it's not the standard ... think about that for a bit. Same deal here.

No no no. You're getting it all wrong. Everyone is an individual. Something, someone acts stupid when they're townie, and sometimes he acts stupid when he's mafia. However, I still am apparently doing the most for the town, while the rest of the town is doing its best trying to get me killed.

Come on now, 8 kills and zero clues pointing against me?


Didn't you say your nickname translates to death? So technically, 8 kills all point to you. You have no profile, we only get name clues for you.

You know how ridiculous that is yourself, don't you?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 25 2009 16:59 GMT
#746
I totally forgot the :p after that haha. Just pointing out a technicality.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 25 2009 17:02 GMT
#747
So are all of my ideas and plans being buried underneath everything because someone decided to be a hero and accuse me of being mafia? Bandwagoning at it's best, I like. Okay okay, I'll just maybe try to do something useful like clue analysis now.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 25 2009 17:07 GMT
#748
hey

foolishness

i notice you didnt really contribute to this discussion other than more pointless prodding

are you going to be actually helpful?

Foolishness wrote:
You know crate, of those 8 people Shikyo has accused so far, only 2 have turned up to be townspeople, and the rest are up for grabs. I'm sure you have suspicions against one of those other 6 people as well (I know I do).

i mean, yeah, this says a whole lot huh? ... i said in my big post that i would look into ilovektf's posts again, so big stretch to say i'm suspicious mm?
mind outlining your suspicions?
preferably not just in a form where you just keep calling someone mafia till they agree to get you to shut up

And just for you Shikyo, I'll quote your post with plans so it isn't lost. No other motives on this one.

Shikyo wrote:
Everyone! After I turn up green, look up everyone who voted for me and either
a) voted for the other townie
b) didn't vote for the other person who turned red.

If they are already suspects, I suggest lynching them, or at least considering to. I suggest you forgive people like crate and JeeJee and vx70GTOJudgexv, since they're probably confused townies. However, anyone else doing that is a suspect! That's probably a good place to start trying to correct this mistake you're about to make. Also, if it seems like I'll die for sure, I'm going to PM some directions and suggestions as I'm going to sleep. Because my alignment will be confirmed if I get lynched, maybe they'll listen to me a bit more than they are right now.


After someone dies it's usually a good idea to read up on their posts anyway. At least skim them.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 25 2009 17:16 GMT
#749
and yes foolishness
i post like this
when i talk to you
just so you can have fun with my style
i find it unspeakably amusing
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 25 2009 17:25 GMT
#750
On May 24 2009 15:59 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Deep underneath Fluidville, So no fek was searching the depths of the town's sewer system for traces of mafia activity. Holding a blazing torch aloft to find his way forward, he slowed as he heard a sound like the shuffling of pages. He peered around the corner and saw an empty desk, then looked down to see the blade that had pierced his rib cage from behind. So no fek tried to turn to at least get a glimpse of his killer, but he couldn't muster the energy as the blade slipped back out of his chest.

EsbenPM had spent the first two days of the mafia invasion building a stockpile of weapons he would never use. Late during the second night, he was fiddling with the trigger locks on his various shotguns while chomping on salted peas. After dinner, he went out to his garage to check on the gun racks he had just painted. Once in his garage, he reached for the switch on the wall, but lights wouldn't turn on. A sudden rush of fear came over him, and he wished he had brought one of his guns with him, even a sidearm. He thought about trying to sneak back into the house, but, instead, he felt his way to a crowbar leaned against the wall. As his eyes adjusted to the darkness, he could see the outline of man. EsbenPM charged and swung with the crowbar, but his adversary shoved it from his hands, then swung a board crushingly into the side of EsbenPM's head, killing him instantly.

Koopie had spent years recreating her house into a scale model of Princess Peach's from Super Mario 64. She heard a knock at her giant, red front door.

"Hi, I'm here to install the cannon out front by the moat. Can you sign here please?"

The finishing touch had finally arrived, and Koopie went upstairs to watch the installation from behind the giant stained glass window that bore her image, as well as her favorite video game character's. The cannon was plopped on its stone foundation, and it's barrel moved to point squarely at the face of the "princess". "He couldn't possibly...." she thought, seconds before an artillery shell with a shark-like face blew Koopie and her home to smithereens.


First, sewers and so no fek. I'm not sure if this actually means anything, but it's good to take into account.
Shuffling pages and an empty desk? This seems quite interesting. This could be like... mixing poker and Ninjas, so chaoser? It should be possible, but I wonder if it'd be too easy. Might be the best match.

Another possibility is Rayne, but I believe that the shuffling pages and the desk have something to do with this.


Second, we have EsbenPM. Salted peas? Might that mean anything... probably not. Now, the most interesting thing about this to me is the sudden rush of fear. This matches really well with Ra.Xor.2's profile, where fear is continuously mentioned. Another thing we can note about this clue is that the man is extremely powerful. A child of God should be powerful, right? Like a demigod of a kind, like Hercules?

Another possible match would be JeeJee with his profile, but I believe that his profile matches far worse, and I don't really suspect him anyway.


Third, we have the interesting clue of Koopie's. Well, what do we know about the man who installed the cannon? He's very polite, and gains his target's trust. He also talks. I believe he's the same person as the salesman from Jimtudor's death, so first he does something to gain the target's trust, and then he betrays him, or deceives him. So it should have something to do with deceiving or something along those lines. Whose profiles might match that? I can't find any off the top of my hat right now.

Oh well, that wasn't as helpful as I'd have hoped for it to be.

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teks
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway263 Posts
May 25 2009 18:15 GMT
#751
Yay a bunch of new posts to read through. Haven't done it yet though so I can't comment on them as of now. I just wanted to update the list of missing roleclaims.

The following players have roleclaimed to me since last update: chaoser, Phelix, I10f

Missing:

iLoveKTF (away)
omG.[RaYnE]
clazziquai
ydg
BWdero
epicdoom
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 25 2009 18:16 GMT
#752
Anyone roleclaim mafia? ^^
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 25 2009 18:31 GMT
#753
Hey, guys. Everyone is voting for RaYmE. This makes it more and more likely that he's not mafia, please keep your eyes open.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
May 25 2009 18:40 GMT
#754
On May 26 2009 02:25 Shikyo wrote:
Third, we have the interesting clue of Koopie's. Well, what do we know about the man who installed the cannon? He's very polite, and gains his target's trust. He also talks. I believe he's the same person as the salesman from Jimtudor's death, so first he does something to gain the target's trust, and then he betrays him, or deceives him. So it should have something to do with deceiving or something along those lines. Whose profiles might match that? I can't find any off the top of my hat right now.


I've been thinking about Epicdoom:
1.He rarely posted anything, and didn't contribute much to the town.
2.His quote is "To be the first" yet he's number 31 (last) on the player list. This contradiction might fit the killer that "first does something to gain the target's trust" which doesn't seem like a characteristic for a mafia.
3.Voted for Teks, even though he seems like a confirmed towny.

Seems a bit farfetched but Epicdoom is definitely on my top list of possible candidates for mafia.
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l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
May 25 2009 18:45 GMT
#755
And also epicdoom has not roleclaimed to Teks yet.
Writer
Moloch
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada222 Posts
May 25 2009 19:24 GMT
#756
Guys, this voting doesn't make any sense.

People voting for Shikyo:
crate
teks
wurm
JeeJee
Knutti
Pawsom

Okay, makes sense since they think he's Mafia. Now look at one person Shikyo is voting for: omG.[RaYnE].

People also voting for omG.[RaYnE]:
JeeJee
teks
vx70GTOJudgexv
wurm
Shikyo
chaoser
crate
clazziquai
Knutti
The_Master

People voting for both Shikyo and omG.[RaYnE]:
crate
teks
wurm
JeeJee
Knutti

Okay. So, if you really think Shikyo is Mafia, either you think that Shikyo would vote for one of his own; or [at least] one of your votes is going towards a townie. If Shikyo was mafia, perhaps he'd vote for a mafian to make suspicion about him go away, but he is already under heavy scrutiny so I don't think that would make sense.

Please rethink your voting. We do not want to hit a townie for no reason.
Moloch
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada222 Posts
May 25 2009 19:25 GMT
#757
I know I haven't contributed much toward the town, but this is the first time I've caught something no one else has mentioned! Even if you don't agree with me at least think about it.
teks
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway263 Posts
May 25 2009 19:25 GMT
#758
Shikyo wrote:
I think that I also tried to push teks into hitting zeks way too strongly. -_- I regret that as well. I also think that that is actually the main reason why he suspects me at this time.


In the end I'm the one responsible for my own actions. I went through zeks' post history myself and tried to analyze his actions as best as I could, I don't hold anything against you on this part. And that is not why I suspect you

crate wrote:
Oh teks, why did you have to be so clumsy and roleclaim and make it so hard to read into this...?


I was going to tell him the next night anyway, so I didn't see it making a difference. I voted for him in the election and basically had the feeling that he was town-aligned, and I needed someone to discuss my ideas with, because I wanted to avoid a situation like this. Look how well that turned out. :p

crate wrote:
You didn't even mention that you thought zeks was suspicious until that night (teks you made the same mistake); your timing was atrocious on day 2. Do you dispute these conclusions?


That probably was a mistake indeed. But I felt that zeks was such an active and experienced player and I didn't want to randomly throw out accusations on such a player without building up a case. I should probably have started working on it sooner though.

crate wrote:
Show nested quote +
teks wrote:
His plan was then to make me the confirmed and gullible townie, then have me give him the list "in the event that I die"



holy shit how did i miss this?

do NOT do that


vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Teks, do NOT PM that list to anyone unless you are 100% sure of their role.


Yeah I know. I'm not in any danger at this point so the list stays right where it is. Also, I said that he might do that because that was/is basically the only logic explanation for why I'm still alive, either that he wants to have me PM him the list, or PM someone else who is mafia. I don't know. Either way it seems weird for a mafia to do this. You'd think he would want to kill off what he knew could turn up as a confirmed townie, but didn't even try. And then go on the next day and back me up and encourage people to PM me roles? There's definitely something iffy here. But JeeJee said he could explain it, so I'm basically waiting for a PM from him or something

crate wrote:
i'm not bitter about your fuckup with zeks

i'm more pissed at teks for it, he's the one who fucked up


Indeed. :/

crate wrote:
Anyone roleclaim mafia? ^^


Yes, actually. LTT is mafia. We need to lynch him ASAP.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 25 2009 19:34 GMT
#759
On May 26 2009 04:24 The_Master wrote:
Guys, this voting doesn't make any sense.

People voting for Shikyo:
crate
teks
wurm
JeeJee
Knutti
Pawsom

Okay, makes sense since they think he's Mafia. Now look at one person Shikyo is voting for: omG.[RaYnE].

People also voting for omG.[RaYnE]:
JeeJee
teks
vx70GTOJudgexv
wurm
Shikyo
chaoser
crate
clazziquai
Knutti
The_Master

People voting for both Shikyo and omG.[RaYnE]:
crate
teks
wurm
JeeJee
Knutti

Okay. So, if you really think Shikyo is Mafia, either you think that Shikyo would vote for one of his own; or [at least] one of your votes is going towards a townie. If Shikyo was mafia, perhaps he'd vote for a mafian to make suspicion about him go away, but he is already under heavy scrutiny so I don't think that would make sense.

Please rethink your voting. We do not want to hit a townie for no reason.


I changed my vote away. So thanks =P But it doesn't really work anymore. I still really think that way too many people are voting for him.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 25 2009 19:53 GMT
#760
I'm following JeeJee on Rayne tbh.
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