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On May 25 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:
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And town lvp? Hmm that's a bit harsh? I think I was wrong about 2 people, both of whom were acting suspiciously, and the other one didn't even matter since mafia killed her off(which is stupid). On the other hand, I've been suggesting plans etc and doing my best keeping the town somewhat organized. We can miss even this much if we want to, we just really need to be able to hit two mafias today.
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Just from this bit of text I can tell that Shikyo isn''t mafia, because why would s/he call her/himself stupid? Additionally s/he's using a lot of distance type grammar with regards to the mafia... I don't understand why so many people are voting for him/her.
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Here's another thought... what if a mafia or two voted for Shikyo in order to start a bandwagon as our fellow townies so enjoy doing these past couple votes.
However, I don't agree with Shikyo on the group your votes in an organized way... as that's supporting a bandwagon xD I think if everyone voted for their highest suspect.. we'd get a very clear idea on the mafia pretty quickly.
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The thing about this game is that there are way too few people who actually post anything. That means that the mafia still hides, and we really have nothing to go on except clues. And the clues we have so far haven't really been bulletproof evidence. I'm pretty sure on RaYnE, but I was pretty sure on zeks as well and look how well that turned out.
About Shikyo, I'm still torn.
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On May 26 2009 05:21 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Here's another thought... what if a mafia or two voted for Shikyo in order to start a bandwagon as our fellow townies so enjoy doing these past couple votes.
However, I don't agree with Shikyo on the group your votes in an organized way... as that's supporting a bandwagon xD I think if everyone voted for their highest suspect.. we'd get a very clear idea on the mafia pretty quickly.
To continue this thought.. it would be advantageous for the mafia if they got rid of the sheriff/mayer through lynching as they'd have to kill the other body guard first in order to get to them. The ability of the mafia to start up a bandwagon to get rid of one of the most threatening voters in lynches is also something that is advantageous for them. Stopping someone with three votes would benefit them hugely in the ability to sway the lynch votes to their liking, as Shikyo mentioned they can do.
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On May 26 2009 05:50 SugiuraMidori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2009 05:21 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Here's another thought... what if a mafia or two voted for Shikyo in order to start a bandwagon as our fellow townies so enjoy doing these past couple votes.
However, I don't agree with Shikyo on the group your votes in an organized way... as that's supporting a bandwagon xD I think if everyone voted for their highest suspect.. we'd get a very clear idea on the mafia pretty quickly. To continue this thought.. it would be advantageous for the mafia if they got rid of the sheriff/mayer through lynching as they'd have to kill the other body guard first in order to get to them. The ability of the mafia to start up a bandwagon to get rid of one of the most threatening voters in lynches is also something that is advantageous for them. Stopping someone with three votes would benefit them hugely in the ability to sway the lynch votes to their liking, as Shikyo mentioned they can do.
Unfortunately, the only few people I can match with my clues and those that voted for Shikyo are:
wurm
JeeJee
and the clues I've found for them have been suspect at best.. so I'm unsure just from that who I could define as a definite mafia at this point in time.
I really wish I could be of more help :/
I just know that the following people are innocent to me: crate, Shikyo, teks
Of course I won't include myself as that's for others to judge, not me.
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Sorry for like the billionth post in a row.. I'd love being able to edit to add content.. but oh well.. rules are rules.
Here is an analysis of votes made so far::
I can agree that with the rapid vote from Rayne against KTF he is suspect of mafia origins, however he only made the one vote and it was a rather legit one as we've had KTF in our sights for some time due to his sound pictures in his profile. This meaning that with Rayne's recent? inactivity he only remember's or knows about past mentions from the fellow analyzers.
I of course made votes quickly as I had already suspected the three before the day came and I was only given more clues to suspect these three:: Ra.Xor.2, chaoser, BWdero
Of course, due to the method of Rayne's vote we got a bandwagon hopped onto voting for him, which perhaps is fine since he's been rather inactive as of late I suppose, and is perhaps not helping the town at all, merely hurting us.
Looks like crate was the first to jump onto Shikyo, but I already know crate isn't mafia so that gets us nowhere. The rest, to best of my viewing abilities, looks like they just bandwagoned Shikyo due to being angry with him or some such.
The random votes on clazzi are also suspect, and since choaser is in there perhaps these folks are just being driven by a mafia? Alternatively, they believe KTF to be innocent and are voting against the ones that voted for him (likely).
The random vote for epicdoom is also suspect, probably just a confused mafia (l10f).
Shikyo voting for chaoser makes sense as I also highly suspect him (chaoser) of being red.
The current abstainers could simply be those that don't know who best to vote for and are waiting till the last moment or mafia waiting to sway the vote at the end.
As for the mass of double lynch votes.. that just makes sense if we want to win this against the mafia. The sooner we use the double lynches the (perhaps) better chance we have of getting rid of their KP.
As for me not voting for double lynch.. it isn't needed as we already have it.
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I definitely agree with all three of those, the clues pointing to BWdero most likely being the weakest. I already voted for Ra.Xor.2 and chaoser, and advice everyone else to do so as well. I doubt Rayne is mafia with how little support he is receiving, and I think everyone can read back a little bit to see what I think about voting for me. 
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JeeJee what's that PM you were waiting for earlier? Get it yet? Don't give us cryptic hints then fail to deliver please.
On May 25 2009 22:29 JeeJee wrote:
Ok, I'm waiting on a PM from someone, to throw out the final recommendation vote (i might have to tip my hat to the alphabet man this game after all, obscure reference)
however, for now, please everyone do the following:
vote for double lynch and vote for omg[rayne]
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lol nevermind, i missed the post he made
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On May 26 2009 00:36 JeeJee wrote:
already done crate
also, pm received, decision made
to recap, our plan for today
vote for double, shikyo and omg[rayne]
i regret some of the things i've done.. jayme should not have died, and shikyo shouldn't have known as much as he does right now
time to turn this town around and pull out the golden chains of justice oft promised
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I no longer think Shikyo is mafia.
All our links are so weak. Damnit. I don't know who to vote for. RaYnE seems too easy
I'm thinking BWdero due to Black Bolt.
chaoser would be my next choice due to the stealthy ninjazzz. Also, poker.
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teks wrote:
All our links are so weak.
Which links do you think are weak?
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oooo I know who's mafia!
<---going to voting thread
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Yes, I'm afraid my clue analysis got drowned, but I also have something against Ra.Xor.2.
"Second, we have EsbenPM. Salted peas? Might that mean anything... probably not. Now, the most interesting thing about this to me is the sudden rush of fear. This matches really well with Ra.Xor.2's profile, where fear is continuously mentioned. Another thing we can note about this clue is that the man is extremely powerful. A child of God should be powerful, right? Like a demigod of a kind, like Hercules?"
I think it's slightly weaker than the clues pointing to chaoser.
"Shuffling pages and an empty desk? This seems quite interesting. This could be like... mixing poker and Ninjas, so chaoser? It should be possible, but I wonder if it'd be too easy. Might be the best match."
But I voted for both of them. Black bolt would be one of my next picks. Once again, the reason why I don't think that RaYnE is mafia is simply because too many people have been voting for him... although maybe they've just following JeeJee's advice? I still don't think he's as strong of a match, and he or someone else can be rolechecked later. I really hope we can hit twice today, since we really... are running out of time.
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On May 26 2009 06:44 crate wrote:Which links do you think are weak?
Basically all our clues. As in, we have no really obvious ones.
If you're talking about Shikyo, I just don't see how he can be mafia and not kill off a confirmed townie + a dt, even if it meant that he would have died in the process.
You're going to call me stupid now aren't you
:D
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teks wrote:
Basically all our clues. As in, we have no really obvious ones.
If you're talking about Shikyo, I just don't see how he can be mafia and not kill off a confirmed townie + a dt, even if it meant that he would have died in the process.
What does "all our clues" mean? Don't be so vague here please.
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And teks I should be able to call you stupid for hitting zeks all game :p
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On May 26 2009 06:51 crate wrote:Show nested quote +teks wrote:
Basically all our clues. As in, we have no really obvious ones.
If you're talking about Shikyo, I just don't see how he can be mafia and not kill off a confirmed townie + a dt, even if it meant that he would have died in the process. What does "all our clues" mean? Don't be so vague here please.
Well, we have clues on almost all of our suspects. But then again we had clues on therapy and Jayme too. Basically, we need to reduce mafia KP tonight, but I'm still only seeing a gamble.
I still feel the clues are strongest on rayne, chaoser and BWdero. But rayne seems to go down way too easily (unless the mafia is giving him up due to inactivity), and noone seem to agree with me on BWdero.
All I'm saying is that I wish this choice would be easier to make.
On May 26 2009 06:51 crate wrote:
And teks I should be able to call you stupid for hitting zeks all game :p
Good point 
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I'm weighing Shikyo's behavior as far more important than clues. You want to follow clue analysis, go ahead. I agree with using it on inactives; we need something to go on to pick which one to hit and we can't use posts there.
How about all those clues linking to zeks? Didn't stop you last night....
Stopping you now since you whiffed last time? :p
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On May 26 2009 07:00 crate wrote:
I'm weighing Shikyo's behavior as far more important than clues. You want to follow clue analysis, go ahead. I agree with using it on inactives; we need something to go on to pick which one to hit and we can't use posts there.
How about all those clues linking to zeks? Didn't stop you last night....
Stopping you now since you whiffed last time? :p
I weigh behavior more too. His actions (or lack of actions if you will) make him seem more town than anything to me.
I want to follow clue analysis because that's what we got. We have like 50% inactives left in this game, so there's not really that much else to work with.
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