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On May 26 2009 00:29 crate wrote:Show nested quote +teks wrote:
His plan was then to make me the confirmed and gullible townie, then have me give him the list "in the event that I die" holy shit how did i miss this? do NOT do that The ONLY PERSON who should see the whole list is you, teks If you are 100% sure someone else is townie, ok, go ahead and pass on the list (NOT TONIGHT since you should be in jail) but it's clear the mafia are not great at finding blues this game (Jim doesn't count since there was no way to know till he died) so do not make it all too easy for them. JeeJee lock teks up tonight pls if you haven't already.
My plan was to give it to confirmed people. I wasn't included in those. -_- If you don't believe I'm innocent because of that post, I don't think I can sway your opinion anymore. That was the best I could give, any further and I'm lying.
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I'm just trying to keep teks from making a stupid mistake and giving the list to anyone he shouldn't.
I'm not assuming you meant you wanted the list, Shikyo; I don't know what the discussion between you and teks was like and he may be misinterpreting your actions. It's clear he's assuming you're mafia in that part of his post so it's not a good thing to argue from anyway.
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On May 26 2009 00:36 JeeJee wrote:
already done crate
also, pm received, decision made
to recap, our plan for today
vote for double, shikyo and omg[rayne]
i regret some of the things i've done.. jayme should not have died, and shikyo shouldn't have known as much as he does right now
time to turn this town around and pull out the golden chains of justice oft promised
Nope, don't vote for me. -_- Damn you, we have to hit with BOTH hits to reduce the KP. Even if you hit with the other one, they'll still have the same KP. Don't you realize this?
People, don't vote for me. Or maybe you should, for the amusement factor. OH SHIT, HE WAS A GREEN? NO WAY!!! I wonder how you guys will do without me. For now, every time I have tried to stay back and observe, NOTHING has happened. You guys haven't been able to do anything. Do you really want to give the game to the mafia so easily? There are so many suspects that it should be simple enough to select the 2 correct ones, shouldn't it?
People who accuse me, I know 4 blues. Why are they all alive?
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motbob wrote:
What I mean is, how can I be acting strangely if I haven't posted anything?
Declaring you want to run for sheriff then disappearing entirely from the thread is completely normal behavior dude.
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Shikyo, if you really are green, learn from your mistakes in this game when you play the next one.
You fucked up one way or another.
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On May 26 2009 00:54 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2009 00:36 JeeJee wrote:
already done crate
also, pm received, decision made
to recap, our plan for today
vote for double, shikyo and omg[rayne]
i regret some of the things i've done.. jayme should not have died, and shikyo shouldn't have known as much as he does right now
time to turn this town around and pull out the golden chains of justice oft promised Nope, don't vote for me. -_- Damn you, we have to hit with BOTH hits to reduce the KP. Even if you hit with the other one, they'll still have the same KP. Don't you realize this? People, don't vote for me. Or maybe you should, for the amusement factor. OH SHIT, HE WAS A GREEN? NO WAY!!! I wonder how you guys will do without me. For now, every time I have tried to stay back and observe, NOTHING has happened. You guys haven't been able to do anything. Do you really want to give the game to the mafia so easily? There are so many suspects that it should be simple enough to select the 2 correct ones, shouldn't it? People who accuse me, I know 4 blues. Why are they all alive?
Well, I can explain why 3 of them are alive. Not sure who the 4th one you're referring to is, maybe teks the vigi? If so, I can explain all 4.
Let it go, Shikyo. I didn't believe it either but too many things came together. You were on my innocent list too all the way up until quite recently, if it makes you feel any better.
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And ANOTHER thing. If I was Mafia, and zeks was innocent, and so no fek turned out to be a green. WHY weren't more Mafia supporting the death of zeks? The only other person somewhat supporting it was SugiuraMidori with her information about sound waves and whatnot, but that really wasn't helping either.
WHY would NO other MAFIA support ME if I was A mafia?! 2 of the 3 who somewhat did were GREENS, and I guess Midori isn't a suspect of yours, since she's not mine? Would I really do this all alone without the support of mafia? What the fuck. THINK for a second.
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On May 26 2009 01:00 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2009 00:54 Shikyo wrote:On May 26 2009 00:36 JeeJee wrote:
already done crate
also, pm received, decision made
to recap, our plan for today
vote for double, shikyo and omg[rayne]
i regret some of the things i've done.. jayme should not have died, and shikyo shouldn't have known as much as he does right now
time to turn this town around and pull out the golden chains of justice oft promised Nope, don't vote for me. -_- Damn you, we have to hit with BOTH hits to reduce the KP. Even if you hit with the other one, they'll still have the same KP. Don't you realize this? People, don't vote for me. Or maybe you should, for the amusement factor. OH SHIT, HE WAS A GREEN? NO WAY!!! I wonder how you guys will do without me. For now, every time I have tried to stay back and observe, NOTHING has happened. You guys haven't been able to do anything. Do you really want to give the game to the mafia so easily? There are so many suspects that it should be simple enough to select the 2 correct ones, shouldn't it? People who accuse me, I know 4 blues. Why are they all alive? Well, I can explain why 3 of them are alive. Not sure who the 4th one you're referring to is, maybe teks the vigi? If so, I can explain all 4. Let it go, Shikyo. I didn't believe it either but too many things came together. You were on my innocent list too all the way up until quite recently, if it makes you feel any better.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm sure you'll think back twice about lynching your mayor after I turn up green. If you lynch one red and then me as the green, there will be 6 mafia with 3KP and 14 townies. Next night let's assume 3 die, 11 townies. Now, since you won't have my extra votes either, the mafia has 6 votes on 2 innocent. You have to select 2 sure mafias really unanimously in order to not have the mafia control the voting. If you manage to lynch 2 mafia the next night, you will probably win. But if you only get one, I'm not so sure. Also, that's already assuming that the other person you lynch today is indeed red.
Crate, if you lynch your green mayor, it's not I who fucked up. It was you, and the rest of the town. It was you, and your incorrect analysis. I already explained myself, you fucked up by not believing me. It wasn't my fuck up.
JeeJee, why drop it? Even if I die, I will win if the town wins. Of course, on this day where it's ESSENTIAL to lynch 2 mafia, I don't want one to be, to me, THE most confirmed townie in the game.
So, should I go down calling everyone morons, or should I do something useful? I'm pretty tempted by the first one. Crate, I love how you are still bitter about my fuck up with zeks, but then do the same with me.
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if i was just fishing for info i just hooked a whale
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i am 100% convinced that shikyo is either a moron or mafia after his past two posts
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i'm not bitter about your fuckup with zeks
i'm more pissed at teks for it, he's the one who fucked up
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Crate, what makes me a moron? Do you really think a mafia would defend himself like that? See, you're just assuming I'm a mafia although you adviced against it. Let's have a good player analyse if I seem like a mafia. Could it just be that I'm pissed off at the town deciding to lynch their mayor?
Newsflash: If I'm acting like an idiot, it doesn't mean I'm mafia. It just means I'm acting like an idiot.
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Do you really think a mafia would defend himself like that?
Yes.
You've clearly lost your cool; that's what does it for me. There are all of, what, four votes against you? If others don't buy my case, then they don't buy my case. I don't have a gun to their heads.
Newsflash: If I'm acting like an idiot, it doesn't mean I'm mafia. It just means I'm acting like an idiot.
Right. Stop acting like an idiot then.
If you're green, look over your mistakes and don't repeat them next game. Laugh at us when we lose if you want, and enjoy your MVP award.
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And yes, zeks fucked up in a lot of ways too. I assumed I had another ~48 hours to look him over before I came to a conclusion about him since I didn't think about a vigi hit. Otherwise I'd have done more.
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I'm going to wait until a few more factors to change my vote, but it is looking like a Shikyo lynch is in order. I also think we'll lose clazzi to mk tonight, but not sure.
Teks, do NOT PM that list to anyone unless you are 100% sure of their role.
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There's also the metagaming aspect of lynching someone who acts like an idiot (same metagaming aspect behind lynching inactives): it discourages it as a mafia tactic.
It's really easy to play like an idiot in various ways and use lots of emotional appeals, regardless of alignment, and it's really easy to play the idiot defense. Just like it's really easy to just receive your role and lurk without posting content.
If we don't kill off players who try those things ... mafia will take advantage eventually.
Anyway unless you say something that demands a response I'm moving on now. Rayne looks like a good lynch (in the metagame aspect if nothing else) but we still need to look at other posters.
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What mistakes? What matters is if I'm acting like a mafia or not. A fact is that I've been contributing a great deal. It really isn't a mistake of mine if some townies decide to be smart and get my lynched. It's actually you getting the MVP award after almost completely removing the town's chances, do you realize that? And I still haven't lost my cool, don't worry. And know something else? I know that losing my cool would immediately make you think I'm mafia, so I do it. Why? Hey, if I was mafia maybe I'd be like "hmmm I have to act calmly and reasonably". And hey, you want to lynch your innocent mayor and tell me about my mistakes? mmm okay ^_^
We NEED to lynch 2 reds today, DON'T listen to crate OR JeeJee if you care about winning at all. I don't think they are red, just mislead townies. Vote for omG.[RaYnE] as he seems to get lynched for sure. Also, we NEED to keep me alive to not allow the mafia to control the voting. I'm going to give my second votes soon after I can think of someone worth them.
crate, the game isn't about lynching someone who "made mistakes" that you just got out of your ass, it's about lynching the mafia.
Maybe I'll bother looking through that other post of yours, too? Although you'll probably respond with some "me rite so u wrong lul" so why bother? You seem to be determined about me being mafia and unable to change your opinion, turning anything I say into further proof. That was your first mistake.
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EBWOP:
clazziquai won't get an mk. Just voted, so there went that plan. Still plan on waiting.
clazziquai: Care to defend any of the accusations made against yourself?
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Go for it. You think I made mistakes?
I know I made mistakes.
I've nothing to hide right now. I'll call your bluff.
Shikyo wrote:
crate, the game isn't about lynching someone who "made mistakes" that you just got out of your ass, it's about lynching the mafia.
Yes and no. Yes in each individual game, but not entirely in the metagame sense. If you don't lynch stupid players then smart mafia will just act stupid and play the stupid card when called on it and they'll live. The game will eventually degrade into random finger-pointing with only clue analysis and DT and mafia-acting-like-DT roleclaims and such.
If you 14cc every game someone's going to BBS you until you stop doing it every game. It beats "standard play" but it's not the standard ... think about that for a bit. Same deal here.
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Hey, that's nice metagaming, crate. I prefer winning.
Everyone! After I turn up green, look up everyone who voted for me and either
a) voted for the other townie
b) didn't vote for the other person who turned red.
If they are already suspects, I suggest lynching them, or at least considering to. I suggest you forgive people like crate and JeeJee and vx70GTOJudgexv, since they're probably confused townies. However, anyone else doing that is a suspect! That's probably a good place to start trying to correct this mistake you're about to make. Also, if it seems like I'll die for sure, I'm going to PM some directions and suggestions as I'm going to sleep. Because my alignment will be confirmed if I get lynched, maybe they'll listen to me a bit more than they are right now.
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