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crate wrote:
(note also that the zeks = GF thing was actually presented by teks despite Shikyo having suspicions as early as the middle of Day 2).
I pitched my theory on zeks to him on day 2. He was basically agreeing on me on everything and helped me analyse his posts. That's also why he decided to PM zeks. I presented the case because it originally was my idea.
crate wrote:
The largest counterargument I can see is that teks did not take a hit last night (unless Esben also hit someone on night 2, but I do not think he did so) and I think (teks can confirm or deny this) that Shikyo knew teks was vig'ing zeks.
Yes, he knew I was vigi and that I was hitting zeks. I roleclaimed to him on day 2 after the Jayme bandwagon was well on it's way, as it was no way for him to get me lynched, and I was going to PM him with my vigi kill (for the confirmed townie plan) at night time anyway. So I chose to trust him.
crate wrote:
I'm willing to buy that teks was paranoid and came up with the timing on his own. My guess is teks wouldn't have struck without Shikyo's input to the accusation.
Yes I was paranoid, and I wanted to let zeks defend himself, and also hear the town's matter on the things. But my main goal on posting my accusations on him was to have him removed from medic list. I didn't want to risk my vigi hit when I knew that he might be protected due to medic list and high activity. And you are correct when you state that I (probably) wouldn't have struck without Shikyo's input.
crate wrote:
I will commend you on your actions during night 2; apart from letting teks live (which may or may not have been a mistake) you did excellently.
In the event that Shikyo is mafia, he could easily have stacked some hits on me to make sure I didn't become the confirmed townie. But also keep in mind that he himself encourages people to PM me with his roles. I think, again in the event that he is mafia, that this would be a highly optimistic plan that would win the game for mafia, because we have been talking alot in PM's and I've stated that I fully trust him (I've pitched him all my ideas, input and role so far, so I had to trust him). His plan was then to make me the confirmed and gullible townie, then have me give him the list "in the event that I die" - which he mentions without bringing up sheriff protection :p
So with that list of blue roles in hand, they would go on to kill of anyone they wanted to. Game over.
Foolishness wrote:
I also don't think Shikyo has pointed very many fingers so far (at least compared to some other people).
I feel like you're talking about me.. hahah
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Oh and yeah I forgot about this:
crate wrote:
I'd like teks to post a list of who has yet to roleclaim when he next gets a chance.
Sure thing. Here it is:
Missing:
iLoveKTF (away)
chaoser
omG.[RaYnE]
clazziquai
motbob
wurm
ydg
I10f
phelix
BWdero
epicdoom
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
I don't think any of those people have even said anything yet.
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Yeah it's not a surprising list. iLoveKTF said he can't post so he's excused. when RaYnE has posted it has been useless 1-3 word posts like "mind fuck" and the likes. This is one of the reasons why I propose that we lynch him today.
Suspect: omG.[RaYnE]
1. He hasn't roleclaimed
2. He seems to have followed the thread somewhat but has neglected voting once and has only posted one-liners. Hiding amongst the other inactives?
3. Clue:
Day 1 Post
Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. As he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow.
Rayne from BloodRayne. Wikipedia: "In the first game, Rayne is highly athletic and versatile, due to her Dhampir nature as well as a lifetime of training. In addition to her ability to jump more than 20 feet into the air and running unnaturally fast(...)" She also uses dual blades which could be interpreted as a knife (?)
Rayne could also be the one in the sewers, but I've been unable to find anything related to shuffling/books/desk to Rayne. There is a sewer level in the Rayne game(s) though.
Also keep in mind that if we are to lynch Shikyo, we will need atleast 3 more votes on him than the third on the list, due to mayor position. Basically, we all need to be in on this.
I would also like to suggest that we all vote for double lynch today too, so we can lynch two more suspects on day 4.
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On May 25 2009 16:29 teks wrote:Oh and yeah I forgot about this: Show nested quote +crate wrote:
I'd like teks to post a list of who has yet to roleclaim when he next gets a chance. Sure thing. Here it is: Missing: iLoveKTF (away) chaoser omG.[RaYnE] clazziquai motbob wurm ydg I10f phelix BWdero epicdoom
Uhh.. yeah, right. Why am I on this list? Sorry, i've been pretty busy and i'm pretty sure i PM'd teks my role yesterday. So yeah, I'm a townie, not a helpful one, I know, but once I finish my paper I'll be sure to keep up to date with the town happenings.
Let me just catch up a bit and i'll post my thoughts again after a read.
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OH sorry wurm. I see I didn't remove you from the missing list. You could have just PM'd me again though ^^
wurm had roleclaimed to me. Correct list:
Missing:
iLoveKTF (away)
chaoser
omG.[RaYnE]
clazziquai
motbob
ydg
I10f
phelix
BWdero
epicdoom
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Whew, that was a lot of reading. Thoughts so far:
I admit, I do find Shikyo's behavior very strange. Especially during Day 2 voting. He is one of our 2 elected officials and he has a lot of sway, he could've swayed the vote away from Jayme, if he wanted to. His accusation list is also concerning. 2 out of 8 people he has accused has flipped green.
On to the voting thread, I found it strange that omG.[RaYnE] was the first to vote, on iLoveKTF. No explanation, not even a post here to explain why he picked iLoveKTF for the lynch.
I want to help by going on clue and behavior analysis, but a lot of you guys are especially good at it and what i want to say has already been said. So yeah.
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And about omG.[RaYnE], as has been stated he hasn't been very active, so he isn't a major threat to the town at this point. If there were to be any other suspects who has been more active, I suggest that we wait with Rayne till day 4. In case no other strong suspects appear though, I think RaYnE would be a decent pick for today's lynch.
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On May 25 2009 18:10 teks wrote:
OH sorry wurm. I see I didn't remove you from the missing list. You could have just PM'd me again though ^^
wurm had roleclaimed to me. Correct list:
Missing:
iLoveKTF (away)
chaoser
omG.[RaYnE]
clazziquai
motbob
ydg
I10f
phelix
BWdero
epicdoom
Yeah, I could've, but I wanted it made clear that I roleclaimed and should not be on the suspicious list. 
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Yep! I'm very glad that you brought it up, as it may have taken a while for me to see that I had you twice on my list :/
Your input is valuable, don't worry if you don't bring in anything new. Hearing your opinion on other's suggestions is a way of contributing too. The most important thing is that you speak up a bit, so that there are fewer inactives for the mafia to hide amongst. I'm also happy to see that you keep up with the thread.
And to the rest of the town-aligned players, I have an exam tomorrow so forgive me for not whipping together any big analysis today. I'll do that after I'm done with that exam though. I will however keep active and say my input, keep updating the list and stating who I suspect, but there won't be any huge analysis going on on my part for now.
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I figured i'd be helpful and create profiles from the Day clues:
Day 1:
Sneaky Mafia #1
+ Show Spoiler +Behind Pyrrhuloxia, a figure crept closer. When Pyrrhuloxia lifted his hands from the railing to stir his decaffeinated coffee with a drumstick, the figure pushed him from behind. Pyrry flew over the sixth floor ledge to his death.
-Used a push to kill
-Silent/sneaking
Sneaky Mafia #2
+ Show Spoiler +Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. As he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow.
-Used a knife
-Also a silent/sneaky type
-Crossed a spacious archery range, probably very fast.
Mafia #3 has no description. LTT was unable to see anybody before his death.
Day 2
The Salesman
+ Show Spoiler +Jimtudor had no hard feelings about the election. With love for his town in his heart, he prepared to defend the people chosen to lead in this time of crisis. His door bell rang. "Who could it be at this hour?," he thought. A salesman in a flashy tie greeted Jimtudor from his welcome mat and began his pitch. Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died.
-Unlikely to be the first two (Sneaky) mafia
-Used a metal bar for a weapon
-Aimed for the head
Sneaky Mafia #3
+ Show Spoiler +Walking through the park in the darkness, Softer began to think he was being stalked, so he hid in the bushes. The figure that had been following him began to search the thicket, and Softer panicked and tried to bolt towards the park's exit. However, before Softer could get away, his stalker whipped him forcefully in the back. Softer flew to the ground, where vicious stomps to the back of the neck took his life.
-I believe this to be Sneaky #1, as #2 uses a different weapon (a knife).
-Uses a whip for a weapon.
-Used brute force for he kill
Day 3
Sneaky Mafia #4
+ Show Spoiler +Deep underneath Fluidville, So no fek was searching the depths of the town's sewer system for traces of mafia activity. Holding a blazing torch aloft to find his way forward, he slowed as he heard a sound like the shuffling of pages. He peered around the corner and saw an empty desk, then looked down to see the blade that had pierced his rib cage from behind. So no fek tried to turn to at least get a glimpse of his killer, but he couldn't muster the energy as the blade slipped back out of his chest.
-Killer was fast and silent
-Again used a blade/knife for a weapon so this is possibly #2
Sneaky Mafia #5
+ Show Spoiler +EsbenPM had spent the first two days of the mafia invasion building a stockpile of weapons he would never use. Late during the second night, he was fiddling with the trigger locks on his various shotguns while chomping on salted peas. After dinner, he went out to his garage to check on the gun racks he had just painted. Once in his garage, he reached for the switch on the wall, but lights wouldn't turn on. A sudden rush of fear came over him, and he wished he had brought one of his guns with him, even a sidearm. He thought about trying to sneak back into the house, but, instead, he felt his way to a crowbar leaned against the wall. As his eyes adjusted to the darkness, he could see the outline of man. EsbenPM charged and swung with the crowbar, but his adversary shoved it from his hands, then swung a board crushingly into the side of EsbenPM's head, killing him instantly.
-Sounds a lot like #1, uses whatever weapons he has at hand
-Also uses brute force in the kill
-This time, the weapon is a board
-Could also be altogether a different mafioso
The Cannon Installer
+ Show Spoiler +Koopie had spent years recreating her house into a scale model of Princess Peach's from Super Mario 64. She heard a knock at her giant, red front door.
"Hi, I'm here to install the cannon out front by the moat. Can you sign here please?"
The finishing touch had finally arrived, and Koopie went upstairs to watch the installation from behind the giant stained glass window that bore her image, as well as her favorite video game character's. The cannon was plopped on its stone foundation, and it's barrel moved to point squarely at the face of the "princess". "He couldn't possibly...." she thought, seconds before an artillery shell with a shark-like face blew Koopie and her home to smithereens.
-I highly believe this is "The Salesman from Day 2
-Is the only talking mafia
-Seems to possess lots of strength
So far, from what I have written, I only have a total of 5 mafia profiles. The Salesman, Sneaky #1, #2, #3, and the unknown mafioso behind LTT's death. I believe the remaining mafia can be found hidden in the clues not relating to the deaths of their victims. Example being the crepuscular(?) clue.
So yeah, these are the profiles I could gather from the Day clues. Hope it comes in handy.
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Good analysis, but I don't agree with you on this:
wurm wrote:
Mafia #3 has no description. LTT was unable to see anybody before his death.
The shattering of the windshield and death from bloodloss isn't a good enough description? :/ Imo it's far more describing than Mafia #1 for instance.
wurm wrote:
Example being the crepuscular(?) clue.
This sentence has been clue checked, it doesn't contain any clues.
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On May 25 2009 18:55 teks wrote:Good analysis, but I don't agree with you on this: Show nested quote +wurm wrote:
Mafia #3 has no description. LTT was unable to see anybody before his death. The shattering of the windshield and death from bloodloss isn't a good enough description? :/ Imo it's far more describing than Mafia #1 for instance.
Sorry, I should've have been clearer. I was trying to create profiles of the mafia person. How they act, what they use, etc. Mafia#3 has no stated weapon, no description about himself, and LTT didn't even get to see him. So I have nothing on him as a person.
wurm wrote:
Example being the crepuscular(?) clue.
This sentence has been clue checked, it doesn't contain any clues.
My bad, didn't know a DT already checked that one out. Well, hopefully we'll be able to get more clues out the Day clues.
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wurm wrote:
My bad, didn't know a DT already checked that one out.
Yeah I haven't said it in the thread so there would be no way for you to know. But because it basically lead us to Jayme, and noone talked about it anymore, I didn't bother to mention it. But in order to avoid confusion I can hereby declare that crepuscular isn't a clue.
wurm wrote:
Sorry, I should've have been clearer. I was trying to create profiles of the mafia person. How they act, what they use, etc. Mafia#3 has no stated weapon, no description about himself, and LTT didn't even get to see him. So I have nothing on him as a person.
Well since he left LTT to die from bloodloss I think we can state that he is either very confident in his ability, or careless, since he didn't "finish the job".
Also, I think it's safe to assume that sound waves are involved, but it isn't directly stated in the clue, so it's not 100%.
Basically I think BWdero is the best suspect we have for this person, his picture being Black Bolt, a superhero whose whispers can wreak havoc, being supersonic and all. He would also fit to the description of being confident in his own ability.
Hopefully he will make another kill the next night so we can get some more clues on him.
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Wow, crate. Didn't I suggest you to spend the time more usefully? Yeah, zeks was green. I admit that was a blunder on my part, but his behavior indeed was suspicious. If you don't think it was, well, nothing I can do about that. I think that it was. The other person I suggested? You mean koopie? Too lazy to read through the whole post.
Well, I was wrong again, but even Judge was surprised she was green. Maybe you feel otherwise, not sure what to do about that. Let me just ask you, why aren't all the blues I know dead already? "Because you're a terrible player"? Well, if you like that argument, feel free.
And town lvp? Hmm that's a bit harsh? I think I was wrong about 2 people, both of whom were acting suspiciously, and the other one didn't even matter since mafia killed her off(which is stupid). On the other hand, I've been suggesting plans etc and doing my best keeping the town somewhat organized. We can miss even this much if we want to, we just really need to be able to hit two mafias today.
Well, enough about that. It's good to note that there are several suspicious people on the list of people who haven't yet sent their roles. But what's not good is teks voting for me -.- What the. Teks I just sent you a list of the blues I know. They're all alive. Oh well, in any case. I'll eat now, will say more about the list very soon.
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On May 25 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:
Well, enough about that. It's good to note that there are several suspicious people on the list of people who haven't yet sent their roles. But what's not good is teks voting for me -.- What the. Teks I just sent you a list of the blues I know. They're all alive. Oh well, in any case. I'll eat now, will say more about the list very soon.
I know. I have my reasons, but I can't go public with them as of yet. As I said in the voting thread I may or may not change my vote(s).
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Missing:
iLoveKTF (away)
chaoser
omG.[RaYnE]
clazziquai
motbob
ydg
I10f
phelix
BWdero
epicdoom
Let's see.
I don't suspect iLoveKTF as much as I did before.
chaoser seemed to actually be relatively active, so I don't know why he hasn't roleclaimed yet.
omG.[RaYnE] has some nice, plausible clues pointing to him, so I'd put him as a very likely mafia. Actually, after reading some of his posts I am going to vote for him.
clazziquai has some clues pointing at him, but I'm not sure if the salesman is just a kind of a red herring.
motbob has been surprisingly inactive and really acting quite strangely. Still not a top suspect.
ydg has been posting something time and time again. Not that likely mafia.
l10f seemed relatively active with all of his strange comments. He seems more like an interesting townie, though.
Phelix. He's been inactive for a while. But know what's strange? around 5:30am on May 23 I sent him a PM asking if he was a blue and got a response in just a few hours. So he was around then. He said that he would be more active if I wanted him to, and told me he was a townie. I told him that thought that he wasn't mafia, and then he just disappeared. So it actually seems like he's mafia to me.
BWdero I've been suspicious of for a while, and he's played in many mafia games before. That's why, his inactivity has been striking me as odd, and the posts he makes seem to just be some kind of strange spam. A high mafia suspect.
epicdoom. He hasn't been making much sense at all. I don't know if it would make sense for him to be mafia either, would they let him vote so strangely? But since there are so many mafia in such a low amount of people, he's a strong suspect as well. I doubt a blue or even a green would just stay silent.
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Something important:
DO NOT scatter your votes among multiple targets!!! This is ESSENTIAL! If all of you just vote for 2 suspects out of like 7, the 7 existing mafia WILL be able to decide the voting!!! Decide on who to vote anonymously before voting like a scattered mess! If you don't do this, we WILL end up lynching 2 innocents!
Suspect me or not, this makes sense if you're a townie. 
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
"acting quite strangely?" this statement alone makes me think you're mafia tbh
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On May 25 2009 20:45 motbob wrote:
"acting quite strangely?" this statement alone makes me think you're mafia tbh
Seriously? You post like never, and then when I accuse you, you jump out of nowhere to accuse me of being mafia?
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