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On May 17 2009 12:43 LucasWoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2009 11:50 Malongo wrote:On May 17 2009 11:42 HeavOnEarth wrote:
hey ver
how do we know you're not mafia and this isn't just a ploy to make sure he doesn't get votes; so that you're ensured mayor? Obviously nobody can confirm that. However ver has a really good point here, dts roleclaiming first day are not good for the town. Im inclined to believe Nemy is at least traitor, and if he is actually dt... GTFO very poorly played. Note also that dts dont roleclaim publicly ever. In all mafias ive played only sog made it after he got protection. Okay malongo. Calm down. Last game, mafia feasted off of the town's reckless emotions and kept the town in perpetual chaos. You're doing the exact same thing with your post. @ Tricode: Just so you know, you're derailing the thread without having resolved the nemy "situation." Although your post was made in good humor, please don't do that now. Personally, I'm inclined to think that nemy himself would not be clever enough to have thought of what you proposed, Ver (namely, run for mayor, roleclaim blue when he's really the traitor). I doubt anyone suggested the idea to him, too. If I recall correctly from previous games, nemy is generally not a "late-game player, meaning he does not strive to outlive anyone. To me, he seems to be a retarded blue.
Lucas, from my experience, nemy isn't that stupid. I've had many PM convos in the past, and he's often been active backstage (before he gets offed after night 1).
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I would say that if there are medics, we may want to put one on nemy in case he actually is a dt. However, mafia may be counting on this and hit other people?
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While I do think that nemy isn't lying here, I don't think that makes him a good candidate for pardoner. He really seems to want the position without fully entailing what it does. More importantly, my concern is that, quite frankly, mafia KP is 3 this round and we have 2 medics. In order for mafia to be sure of getting nemy, they would have to use all 3 hits on him-which is just a terrible, terrible thing to do. So if anything, I doubt nemy has anything to worry about tonight-mafia just can't take that chance, I think, that medics will protect him (highly likely given that he r/cd DT).
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On May 17 2009 15:16 Vivi57 wrote:
so nemy went from running on air to roleclaiming dt out of nowhere
after a LONG time, he finally posts pms with little to no info in them which prove nothing
now, he wants to be PARDONER, not mayor.
call me paranoid, but I definitely don't trust nemy's position.
you seem to be generalizing a lot, nemy's pms do have some interesting points implying a deeper connection between him and Incognito
unless you apparently have more information than those pms?
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On May 17 2009 15:16 Incognito wrote:
Not that ballsy unless Im green. Caller's game very little risks(GF). The risks I did take I solved by silencing mikeymoo. Last game a failed hectic crazy plan that wouldn't have worked anyway.
you were a bit ballsy out there, making tiny informative posts that were kind of obvious hints at your fellow mafia that nobody picked up on
-_-
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On May 17 2009 15:33 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2009 15:20 Caller wrote:On May 17 2009 15:16 Incognito wrote:
Not that ballsy unless Im green. Caller's game very little risks(GF). The risks I did take I solved by silencing mikeymoo. Last game a failed hectic crazy plan that wouldn't have worked anyway. you were a bit ballsy out there, making tiny informative posts that were kind of obvious hints at your fellow mafia that nobody picked up on -_- You forget that there were also tiny informative posts asking why we (town) could purposely lose in order to hear you singing. Subtle and perhaps ballsy, but I wouldn't make tiny informative posts just for no reason. It was to gain trust. Here, defending nemY would not help me gain trust. Thus there would be little to no reason to do that if I were mafia. Am I not allowed to use red tags unless its a serious accusation? (Look at SoG's posts) I was seriously considering removing the red tags. I ended up not doing that. Probably should have huh? Other than that I have stated many times (including in that post) that I am not accusing you now. If you really want to you can keep bringing up the subject. But right now I think it would be better not to sidetrack the us on some pretty useless accusation. Unless you think this accusation is the key to proving both me and nemY as mafia. Which I highly doubt you can do. If you can't, then I'd suggest we return to the task at hand which would be to elect a mayor.
...you bastard
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On May 17 2009 17:58 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2009 12:43 LucasWoJ wrote:On May 17 2009 11:50 Malongo wrote:On May 17 2009 11:42 HeavOnEarth wrote:
hey ver
how do we know you're not mafia and this isn't just a ploy to make sure he doesn't get votes; so that you're ensured mayor? Obviously nobody can confirm that. However ver has a really good point here, dts roleclaiming first day are not good for the town. Im inclined to believe Nemy is at least traitor, and if he is actually dt... GTFO very poorly played. Note also that dts dont roleclaim publicly ever. In all mafias ive played only sog made it after he got protection. Okay malongo. Calm down. Last game, mafia feasted off of the town's reckless emotions and kept the town in perpetual chaos. You're doing the exact same thing with your post. Actually his post makes sense though - it sums up exactly why nemy needs to be killed. I'll explain this in my big post coming soon.
Ace, while I don't think nemy should be elected I don't see the need for him to be killed yet -_- it hasn't even been election time, hold your horses -_-
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On May 17 2009 18:14 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2009 14:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 17 2009 14:55 nemY wrote:On May 17 2009 14:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I'm going with your both retarded I think plenty of nice/mean things about you as well but you don't see me saying them everywhere... anyways, can we move back to the mayor candidates? I have told people multiple times, PM discussion is lame, its never reliable evidence, and leaves you too many holes on being caught. Hense, participating in them is not a bright move. exactly. Which is why I hardly have long PM discussions when I play this game.
wait what about mafia 2
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On May 17 2009 22:56 Ace wrote:
Yo Mynock I was thinking of this little scenario, it's kinda interesting.
Mayors and Pardoners can't be figured out by DTs. So surely we expect one of the candidates to be Mafia. Whoever it is must think they have a reasonable shot at winning.
They probably thought about this but didn't want to bring it up:
All losing candidates should be investigated by a DT.
whoa whats that? Yup, if you lose you are getting investigated.
So now whoever that mafia candidate is HAS to win if the Town goes forward with this idea. Losing the election means getting found out. So if you weren't winning at first it might be a good idea to get real desperate huh?
I like this ^^
On a side note I'm still confused how nemy has lots of votes.
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Guys guys guys GUYS calm the fuck down
Don't you see that mafia is benefiting from all of this? With some of our biggest names fighting over an issue that we don't even know has any meaning, we're just wasting time and causing more chaos.
Here's what I think could be a possibility:
a) elect nemy to pardoner.
b) lynch him immediately tomorrow. If he really is a DT, he would have given us a RC already and would be safe. If he isn't a DT, we kill him and get rid of the pardoner position, thus avoiding any "setbacks" that mafia would benefit from having a scummy pardoner.
I think this would be the safest compromise-we need to agree on one soon, L/MTF vs. Ace/Mynock = not fun...
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On May 18 2009 03:57 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 03:55 Caller wrote:
Guys guys guys GUYS calm the fuck down
Don't you see that mafia is benefiting from all of this? With some of our biggest names fighting over an issue that we don't even know has any meaning, we're just wasting time and causing more chaos.
Here's what I think could be a possibility:
a) elect nemy to pardoner.
b) lynch him immediately tomorrow. If he really is a DT, he would have given us a RC already and would be safe. If he isn't a DT, we kill him and get rid of the pardoner position, thus avoiding any "setbacks" that mafia would benefit from having a scummy pardoner.
I think this would be the safest compromise-we need to agree on one soon, L/MTF vs. Ace/Mynock = not fun... How about: we just don't elect nemy period. Sounds like a smart plan to me.
Whatever, as long as we stop the bickering, whenever town does this kind of bullshit it's always a bad thing and it pisses me off because we end up making poor decisions by ourselves and lose the game spectacularly.
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On May 18 2009 04:14 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 04:13 L wrote:Obviously determining roles is the aim of the game - but we are still at Mayoral elections. None of us can determine anything right now. Oh shit how did you miss this? You even quoted it but read it wrong. You were talking about Pardoner intentions and usage, a topic which can be examined purely through the rules of the game. If you were referencing my suggestion that we need blues in office ver proved rather dramatically last game that you can sniff out blues very accurately on day 1. 2.) Worried about the election != worried about nemy. I'd love to be in, but hey if Mynock and Ver made it can't say I'd be sad. I'm not that worried about the election. But yea your right - I am worried about nemy which is exactly why I've been making my case against him. So you admit you are worried, which is a complete contradiction of your previous stance. I'm not contradicting myself. You are. Think about it. 3.) circular collusion? lol ok Don King. Ver has been pretty much silent, and only myself and Mynock have really supported each other. Stop trying to take wild guesses. Uh, you yourself have called the group 'the three musketeers' and Ver actually was posting for a bit while you were sleeping. Moreover, the vote record DOES NOT LIE. each of you voted for one other. I am immune from scrutiny. Because I'm innocent 1. No you aren't. 2. By your own admission we don't know that. Why do you assume people should assume you're innocent? If that's the case everyone should have just PMed you their roles at the start of the game and that would have been a good play. Frankly, for someone harping on nemy about poor play, you're doing a lot of it yourself. How would you know the Mafia covet the Pardoner spot unless they themselves stated it? Okay, lets assume pardoner instantly wins the game. I think mafia would go for it. See what I did there? The rules of the game describe the advantages and pitfalls of certain actions. Do you think mafia would NOT want the pardoner spot? Do you think they'd want mayor more? It's an US statement because playing the game with Ver and Mynock so many times I KNOW none of us play the game like you. It's just that simple - nothing beyond that. Yet by your own admission you've stated that good players will not have a style. Ver's 'afk townie' method this game, for instance, is something he said he wouldn't be doing, and has only performed while previously mafia, yet you believe that you can call their style even if they're not the same allegiance as you? Bad choice of words, and a telling one. What full disclosure is there to give? Read my fucking posts. Do you refuse to give the information? Y/N. As you put it. Go ahead champ. I wouldn't fucking TELL YOU what information I have if i'm trying to cross reference the information I've got with your statements to check for inconsistencies. I mean, you should know that, you aren't an idiot. no
lol
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Seriously you guys, we have like
Ace/Mynock/Tricode vs. L/nemy
Malongo vs. LucasWoJ
what the hell is going on people, stop arguing and let's figure out what the hell we're going to do voting wise and after the election. Ad hominem can wait until later!
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On May 18 2009 04:21 0cz3c wrote:
OR....
We could just elect me into a position of power. o.o
no.
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On May 18 2009 05:08 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 04:16 Caller wrote:
Seriously you guys, we have like
Ace/Mynock/Tricode vs. L/nemy
Malongo vs. LucasWoJ
what the hell is going on people, stop arguing and let's figure out what the hell we're going to do voting wise and after the election. Ad hominem can wait until later! I don't know man. It would be nice to hear from the future mayor Ver. But a lot of what to do after the election depends on who our pardoner is. What about the first lynch? I still think we should lynch an inactive. The only people who have been one hundred percent inactive, interestingly, are MrBabyHands and Camlito. Fusionsdf and Plexa and infinity21 come close. Other people have posted only a few 1-2 line posts, as Incognito pointed out a while ago.
From prior experience, both MBH and Camlito tend to post a day or so after the mayoral election, so we may want to let them live until then. I dunno what Plexa is doing, and infinity21 seems not to be paying much attn to the game -_-.
I still think that we'd be better off without a nemy mayor/pardoner...
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On May 18 2009 07:03 Incognito wrote:
I feel uncomfortable about Ver since he really isn't doing what he says he would be doing. Traitor? Maybe. But that's besides the point. This L/Ace argument is getting us nowhere. And you both know it. I doubt nemY is mafia. On the other hand, I do have doubts on Ver/BC. I really don't trust Showtime! in a position where he is not able to be confirmed. And if Ace is going to act this way as mayor he probably shouldn't be mayor.
The thing is, if nemY is DT I would be ok with him being mayor/pardoner. Yes its good to protect key players. But these key players are generally hard to figure out. And on top of that, a lot of information can come from their deaths, assuming they take those precautions. However, a dead DT isn't worth all that much.
So why not vote for me? XD
I' m neutral XD
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what the hell is going on here...?
where did those percentages come from? and what's with the massive flame war here? Can't we all just get along...? And could we also get a vote tally?
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On May 18 2009 13:33 MTF wrote:MrBabyHands is who I'd go with. I don't know what you're basing your own suspicion on and lynching on Day 1 clues is pretty much universally agreed upon as a bad idea, but it's all I know so: Show nested quote +Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him.
“You no longer control this town. It is ours now.”
Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others. All of the above indicates that the attacker is possibly small. He is not seen by Qatol when he turns around to find who was talking, the attacker leaps to strike Qatol's chest, and may have needed whoever attacked LTT's help in pushing the body into the water.
I like this clue interpretation, and we should look for a similar trend Day 2, but we shouldn't lynch him straight-away, I think.
The thing is, we should at least wait and see if he posts something, I know MBH tends to post either Night 1 or Day 2 with a long, winding list of suspects that are usually pretty accurate. That could be what he's doing.
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On May 18 2009 13:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Yo for the record.
I voted Caller.
ma mannnnn
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