EPTJust don't even waste time, elect him or make him the first lynch and we can see whose dumb. I will read your flame later Ace
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Just don't even waste time, elect him or make him the first lynch and we can see whose dumb. I will read your flame later Ace | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 18 2009 00:00 Bockit wrote: Wow. Nemy is not 90% blue. Hell he's not even 30% blue. Dreamflower has pointed out his outright lie. He took the trouble to write 'multiple people' and yet was only able to provide half-arsed pms from one guy, that didn't even match very well how they were described in the first place. I'm not going to repeat Dreamflower's post anymore, go read it. I think he's a traitor, possibly a mafia ploy trying to implicate incognito maybe, but a traitor to me seems more likely. Ace: Well put with the callout. Plexa: What the fuck. MTF: Similarly. hmmm yea. Not a good look for those two QQ. As for the rest of your post I agree. I don't think anyone should jump to conclusions about Incognito at the moment. Also like Bockit said, good work dreamflower for pointing out the outright lie. I'll take it a step further though using Rebirth's "paranoid logic" about nemy to tie showcase it for people to read. nemy is paranoid that he has been found out by some people PMing him with behavior analysis. Bockit asks him to post the PMs. Anyone see the problem here? If nemy was really a paranoid DT, like I think it was Bockit who said earlier - we wouldn't have to ask him to post anything. He would have done so himself because that isn't a negative move for the Town. The more information we know about who's attempting to get at him the better. Ok moving on. He's asked to post the messages. Remember like dreamflower said there were multiple messages he had. Allegedly some players figured out he is a DT from the very few posts he made - LOL yea ok sure whatever you say guy. Of ALL the messages he allegedly has he posts one from incognito... ...that has nothing to do with anything about fishing to see if nemy is a DT. what? Yea man, that's right. Our paranoid DT, who should have been calling names left and right and blasting PMs if this is true just posted a private message from incognito that has nothing to do with his claims. It's like asking your mom to make eggs for breakfast, but when you get down to the kitchen a piece of Evander Holyfield's missing ear is on the plate. Exactly. Hope you see the point now. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 18 2009 00:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: incog didn't deny PM conversation did he? Whatever then I still think hes a DT over a traitor and mafia ploy is highly unlikely as said before Just don't even waste time, elect him or make him the first lynch and we can see whose dumb. I will read your flame later Ace uhh...are you dense lol? It doesn't matter if incog didn't deny the PM. The fact is it had NOTHING to do with what nemy claimed. Ace:8 RoL:1 | ||
Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
[spoiler="last tally"] Total - 22 ----- Ver - 6 Mynock - 4 Ace - 3 Showtime! - 3 nemY - 2 BloodyC0bbler - 1 Abstain - 3 Non-voters - 8 ----- Scamp Plexa Camlito Showtime! Infundibulum infinity21 MrBabyHands L[/spoiler] Qatol posted that not long ago, and since then MTF moved off showtime to nemy, and plexa came out of nowhere and voted nemy. Putting Nemy on 4 and showtime down to 3. This puts us in a scary position imo. We have Ver kind of guaranteed mayoral position (that's fine in my books, dunno how you all feel, I tend to disagree with MTF's reasoning, more on this later) and we have Mynock and Nemy on 4, with Ace on 3. Mafia get to pick the pardoner at this rate. On top of this, nemy is looking likely to get office (Mynock technically beats him at this point, but again, mafia can easily tip the scales either way). We need to make it a bit harder for mafia to dictate the final votes. I'm going to move my vote from showtime to mynock (I'd be picking between mynock and ace, and since mynock has a higher chance of beating nemy plus ace endorsed mynock, I'm ok with that) and it will be interesting to see if someone else randomly swaps to nemy to match this, despite what has been happening in the thread. Now to MTF: On May 17 2009 04:45 MTF wrote: Ver is no doubt very intelligent and puts a tremendous effort into the game, but he lacks the ability to get under peoples skin. Showtime, Caller, and Ace have that ability in spades. And that is a larger part of Mafia than I think many players realize. It's not enough to just be able to pin down and call out Mafia members with definitive proof or verbose appeals to the town. You need to make Mafia and the supposed town uncomfortable, mad at you, and you need to be able to be able to throw out random insults or vague accusations without remorse. I think Ver is much too polite for that. I'd rather see him in Pardoner role assisting the mayor, but not having the primary voice. And yet you swap from showtime to nemy? What the fuck? | ||
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On May 18 2009 00:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: incog didn't deny PM conversation did he? Whatever then I still think hes a DT over a traitor and mafia ploy is highly unlikely as said before Just don't even waste time, elect him or make him the first lynch and we can see whose dumb. I will read your flame later Ace I said it before, incognito confirming the pm conversations does not mean he's a DT. It means they had a pm conversation. | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
EDIT: That's just my opinion though, if you guys think it's better for one thread that might be better. On second thoughts, I guess it makes sense to have each game in 1 thread (to help with chronology of posts) and voting threads separate. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
If anyone posts anything fishy just assume I've called them out on it and go from there. bbl. | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
On May 17 2009 17:58 Ace wrote: Actually his post makes sense though - it sums up exactly why nemy needs to be killed. I'll explain this in my big post coming soon. Notice I never said his post makes no sense. ^_^ I was pointing out that its brevity will not and cannot help the town. A series of consecutive two or three sentence posts, or even shorter ones, go a long way in derailing the thread, and allow an individual to escape suspicion (actually, all of the people who posted the couple-liners), even when they're not mafia (look at the last game as evidence for this). Second, if nemy's a retarded dt who played very poorly and one that has nothing to offer, I don't see the reason to "need to kill him." Ostensibly, mafia could keep him alive, if he were the DT, because he's a guaranteed lynch the next day (unless you mean he should be the first day lynch). Granted, I have not read your "big post" yet (I'm responding as I go), so I don't know the reasoning nor can I think of anything besides "we cannot possibly be sure, so it's a good lynch either way since he could be mafia, traitor, or a stupid townie." | ||
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
Keep in mind I'm not saying you have, rather that if you respond to posts as you go for the next couple of pages you have to catch up, you're going to be covering old ground  | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On May 17 2009 22:56 Ace wrote: Yo Mynock I was thinking of this little scenario, it's kinda interesting. Mayors and Pardoners can't be figured out by DTs. So surely we expect one of the candidates to be Mafia. Whoever it is must think they have a reasonable shot at winning. They probably thought about this but didn't want to bring it up: All losing candidates should be investigated by a DT. whoa whats that? Yup, if you lose you are getting investigated. So now whoever that mafia candidate is HAS to win if the Town goes forward with this idea. Losing the election means getting found out. So if you weren't winning at first it might be a good idea to get real desperate huh? I like this ^^ On a side note I'm still confused how nemy has lots of votes. | ||
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LTT
Shakuras1095 Posts
On May 18 2009 01:01 Bockit wrote: Asked pachi to rename the thread to day 1, We should make the day 2 post a new thread imo. EDIT: That's just my opinion though, if you guys think it's better for one thread that might be better. On second thoughts, I guess it makes sense to have each game in 1 thread (to help with chronology of posts) and voting threads separate. Thanks for enlisting Pachi. We were hoping your coder-blueness had enough powers to do it. For clarity reasons involving multiple mafia games, each game should stay in one thread. | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
On May 18 2009 00:34 Bockit wrote: Now to MTF: And yet you swap from showtime to nemy? What the fuck? EBWOP: This. Both Plexa and MTF's voting behavior are extremely suspicious. I think Plexa was accused earlier in the thread on clues and he has yet to post in this thread. In the earlier games, he was terrific at clue analysis, so there's no reason to evade the thread. His vote confirms that he's aware of the thread and is at least somewhat active, so I can't imagine he hasn't read this thread. On a previous note, if nemy is a green townie, as opposed to a traitor, I think the nemy situation could have been better milked by the town. I remember him stating earlier that he had a plan ("c'mon guys, put a little trust in me..."), so that's clearly rubbish as nothing of the sort has been presented. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Ace, I said not that I wouldn't want a good player in the position, its just I interpreted nemys behavior as that of innocent (most likely) and there is NOT as much behavior for any of the rest of you who are running. I also think the rest of the candidates are harder to read then nemy would be, which was part of my inclination. I also think the PM shit was a little weak, but was willing to overlook that shit. and I still disagree that nemy is high probability mafia. Hes either traitor or DT. Mafia would be dumb to risk themselves like this with such half assed shit, especially given the history in previous games of this happening. And when I said that it seemed perfectly reasonable given the situation I was referring to his paranoia of being found out, not any thng like "Town dying, all or nothng" bullshit. Just that to someone with an arguably very important role would be a little paranoid and jump the gun, | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On May 18 2009 00:21 mikeymoo wrote: So I wake up and there's a thread explosion. I was speaking to somebody outside the thread and we were wondering if nemy was a DT based on his actions before r/cing. Although his action would seem to confirm this, I'd have to agree with Ace on almost all of his points. To those that think that nemy isn't a deep psychological player that likes these sorts of gambits, consider that the mafia is on A TEAM and he could well be doing this under the instruction of his group, simply because he is not viewed as the type to try something this convoluted. My vote stays on Mynock. Voting nemy is a big mistake. All I'm going to say to this (and I'm not going to sit here and replies to dozens of posts) is if I were on a team, I think I'd come up with much better defense/tactics then what I've done now... obviously this points to me being more the traitor or what not, but I'm not... that's all I have for now. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
You guys busted my balls for wanting it, yet at least I had reasons for it. Then he says, he will never use it, so he wants the free protection. Free protection in which nemy has wanted in almost every game he has played, he always "runs" for mayor, if he can, and usually with a lacklsuter campaign at best that gets no where. He is never a top suspect, so he doesn't risk death early game, yet he is so frantic this game? My bet is hes a bored townie, or traitor. This overall doesn't seem like a smart red move. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On May 18 2009 01:12 LucasWoJ wrote: Notice I never said his post makes no sense. ^_^ I was pointing out that its brevity will not and cannot help the town. A series of consecutive two or three sentence posts, or even shorter ones, go a long way in derailing the thread, and allow an individual to escape suspicion (actually, all of the people who posted the couple-liners), even when they're not mafia (look at the last game as evidence for this). Second, if nemy's a retarded dt who played very poorly and one that has nothing to offer, I don't see the reason to "need to kill him." Ostensibly, mafia could keep him alive, if he were the DT, because he's a guaranteed lynch the next day (unless you mean he should be the first day lynch). Granted, I have not read your "big post" yet (I'm responding as I go), so I don't know the reasoning nor can I think of anything besides "we cannot possibly be sure, so it's a good lynch either way since he could be mafia, traitor, or a stupid townie." Im getting more and more inclined to believe you are mafia. Reasons: - Inconsistency: I posted a clue pointing to plexa (Just after the day post). Your response is to directly call people not to believe me without any real reason. Why? i dont know but the problem is not that you try to discredit me publicly, the problem is you try to discredit me publicly AND privately sent me a pm "asking about my thoughts" and trying to discuss the matter. This is a big fishy tactic if you think a player is wrong or doing something bad you dont go next to him trying to get something from him. - Forced activity: Just a quick read on your posts, copy-pasted infundibulum, mimick Ace, and accused me of acting under reckless emotions. If you read my post its plain that I posted more than calm. However the thing here is Are you really active? - Last thing: You put words in my posts that dont belong there: "need to kill him". I never said that. The good thing is: nobody reads my posts besides you, no Lucaswoj? | ||
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