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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 17 2009 06:16 GMT
#301
While I do think that nemy isn't lying here, I don't think that makes him a good candidate for pardoner. He really seems to want the position without fully entailing what it does. More importantly, my concern is that, quite frankly, mafia KP is 3 this round and we have 2 medics. In order for mafia to be sure of getting nemy, they would have to use all 3 hits on him-which is just a terrible, terrible thing to do. So if anything, I doubt nemy has anything to worry about tonight-mafia just can't take that chance, I think, that medics will protect him (highly likely given that he r/cd DT).
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Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
May 17 2009 06:16 GMT
#302
so nemy went from running on air to roleclaiming dt out of nowhere

after a LONG time, he finally posts pms with little to no info in them which prove nothing

now, he wants to be PARDONER, not mayor.


call me paranoid, but I definitely don't trust nemy's position.
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 17 2009 06:16 GMT
#303
Not that ballsy unless Im green. Caller's game very little risks(GF). The risks I did take I solved by silencing mikeymoo. Last game a failed hectic crazy plan that wouldn't have worked anyway.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 17 2009 06:18 GMT
#304
^^hey zealot icon yay
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 17 2009 06:19 GMT
#305
On May 17 2009 15:16 Vivi57 wrote:
so nemy went from running on air to roleclaiming dt out of nowhere

after a LONG time, he finally posts pms with little to no info in them which prove nothing

now, he wants to be PARDONER, not mayor.


call me paranoid, but I definitely don't trust nemy's position.

you seem to be generalizing a lot, nemy's pms do have some interesting points implying a deeper connection between him and Incognito

unless you apparently have more information than those pms?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 17 2009 06:20 GMT
#306
On May 17 2009 15:16 Incognito wrote:
Not that ballsy unless Im green. Caller's game very little risks(GF). The risks I did take I solved by silencing mikeymoo. Last game a failed hectic crazy plan that wouldn't have worked anyway.

you were a bit ballsy out there, making tiny informative posts that were kind of obvious hints at your fellow mafia that nobody picked up on

-_-
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 17 2009 06:22 GMT
#307
I was just making an observation.
With a red tag. You know exactly what you were doing. Don't play coy with me.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 06:30 GMT
#308
On May 17 2009 15:03 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
I was out for the evening. I would have responded earlier but I got a BSOD right when i was typing my post had to leave then.

I'm not saying you're mafia. I think you are perhaps just being a little to confident in your blue picks. That is all.


Way to pussy out when you realize you got caught acting like a moron.

The tone of your previous post is COMPLETELY inconsistent with your meek reply. You stepped up to accuse. Red colour and all. Take responsibility for pointing the finger at someone who's going to flip townside.

Oh, speaking of which. When I die I want someone to post a complete list of my posts.

Show nested quote +
The difference that I see between this and game 2 was that empyrean came out as dt to force town to vote him into mayor just because he wanted to be mayor. There was no "Mafia have found me I need the protection". Though similar, I see it as different enough to take caution before we decide he's a dt.
Feel free to go and look how we, as mafia, influenced the discussion. If anything, the current situation, with the 2 man confirmed pms, the lowered mafia count, the lowered KP and the weaker nature of the offices (Mafia 2 office was RIDICULOUS powerful) all point towards less reason for mafia to put themselves under the spotlight.

And I'm citing mafia 2 so that people can see how MAFIA will react to this situation, not to say he's 100% blue obv np.

I'm saying ignore the situation as it is and remove yourself from your role. Then think about how mafia would act given this situation. How would they act to plant nemy in the first place? How would the react if he's not one of them? The second situation is already covered. You can go look at the case example which has largely been replicated here by a number of players.


In mafia 2 though the detective in power was much more powerful than in this game. (unkillable source of Votechecks and rock solid rolechecks) so we were definitely scared about seeing a dt in office and we did our best to make sure he didn't get there. I just went through about 10~ pages of the thread from when emp roleclaimed dt, brought back a bit of nostalgia, I was smiling when I remembered how pissed off he was when randombum flipped mafia after he stole the elected position from emp.

But regardless, I think I see where you're going, and yes that does put suspicion on me, however I feel that in this game, a townie is more scared of having a mafia in pardoner position than mafia is scared of having a dt in power. Maybe people disagree with me on this, I'm open to discussion on the topic.

Their are four errors in this sentance.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 17 2009 06:33 GMT
#309
On May 17 2009 15:20 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 15:16 Incognito wrote:
Not that ballsy unless Im green. Caller's game very little risks(GF). The risks I did take I solved by silencing mikeymoo. Last game a failed hectic crazy plan that wouldn't have worked anyway.

you were a bit ballsy out there, making tiny informative posts that were kind of obvious hints at your fellow mafia that nobody picked up on

-_-


You forget that there were also tiny informative posts asking why we (town) could purposely lose in order to hear you singing. Subtle and perhaps ballsy, but I wouldn't make tiny informative posts just for no reason. It was to gain trust. Here, defending nemY would not help me gain trust. Thus there would be little to no reason to do that if I were mafia.

Am I not allowed to use red tags unless its a serious accusation? (Look at SoG's posts) I was seriously considering removing the red tags. I ended up not doing that. Probably should have huh? Other than that I have stated many times (including in that post) that I am not accusing you now. If you really want to you can keep bringing up the subject. But right now I think it would be better not to sidetrack the us on some pretty useless accusation. Unless you think this accusation is the key to proving both me and nemY as mafia. Which I highly doubt you can do. If you can't, then I'd suggest we return to the task at hand which would be to elect a mayor.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 06:34 GMT
#310
On May 17 2009 15:19 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 15:16 Vivi57 wrote:
so nemy went from running on air to roleclaiming dt out of nowhere

after a LONG time, he finally posts pms with little to no info in them which prove nothing

now, he wants to be PARDONER, not mayor.


call me paranoid, but I definitely don't trust nemy's position.

you seem to be generalizing a lot, nemy's pms do have some interesting points implying a deeper connection between him and Incognito

unless you apparently have more information than those pms?


I don't see what is generalised there, nemy did just nonchalantly ask for pardoner instead of mayor, he did roleclaim dt out of nowhere, and he took ages to post about 10 lines of pm material.

Btw, in case people are overlooking this (I was guilty of this for a couple of minutes) Incognito is supporting the pms as legitimate, that doesn't mean nemy is detective, it just means they had a pm conversation.

I think I'm going to keep my vote on showtime.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 17 2009 06:38 GMT
#311
On May 17 2009 15:34 Bockit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 15:19 Caller wrote:
On May 17 2009 15:16 Vivi57 wrote:
so nemy went from running on air to roleclaiming dt out of nowhere

after a LONG time, he finally posts pms with little to no info in them which prove nothing

now, he wants to be PARDONER, not mayor.


call me paranoid, but I definitely don't trust nemy's position.

you seem to be generalizing a lot, nemy's pms do have some interesting points implying a deeper connection between him and Incognito

unless you apparently have more information than those pms?


I don't see what is generalised there, nemy did just nonchalantly ask for pardoner instead of mayor, he did roleclaim dt out of nowhere, and he took ages to post about 10 lines of pm material.

Btw, in case people are overlooking this (I was guilty of this for a couple of minutes) Incognito is supporting the pms as legitimate, that doesn't mean nemy is detective, it just means they had a pm conversation.

I think I'm going to keep my vote on showtime.

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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 17 2009 06:47 GMT
#312
On May 17 2009 15:33 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 15:20 Caller wrote:
On May 17 2009 15:16 Incognito wrote:
Not that ballsy unless Im green. Caller's game very little risks(GF). The risks I did take I solved by silencing mikeymoo. Last game a failed hectic crazy plan that wouldn't have worked anyway.

you were a bit ballsy out there, making tiny informative posts that were kind of obvious hints at your fellow mafia that nobody picked up on

-_-


You forget that there were also tiny informative posts asking why we (town) could purposely lose in order to hear you singing. Subtle and perhaps ballsy, but I wouldn't make tiny informative posts just for no reason. It was to gain trust. Here, defending nemY would not help me gain trust. Thus there would be little to no reason to do that if I were mafia.

Am I not allowed to use red tags unless its a serious accusation? (Look at SoG's posts) I was seriously considering removing the red tags. I ended up not doing that. Probably should have huh? Other than that I have stated many times (including in that post) that I am not accusing you now. If you really want to you can keep bringing up the subject. But right now I think it would be better not to sidetrack the us on some pretty useless accusation. Unless you think this accusation is the key to proving both me and nemY as mafia. Which I highly doubt you can do. If you can't, then I'd suggest we return to the task at hand which would be to elect a mayor.

...you bastard
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 17 2009 06:50 GMT
#313
At least I'm a (semi) logical bastard.

With that said I'm going to take the precaution now for anyone else who is going to accuse me for not hovering over the post 24/7. I'm going to bed now.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 17 2009 07:10 GMT
#314
But regardless, I think I see where you're going, and yes that does put suspicion on me, however I feel that in this game, a townie is more scared of having a mafia in pardoner position than mafia is scared of having a dt in power. Maybe people disagree with me on this, I'm open to discussion on the topic.
I happen to agree with you, but judging from the majority of games mafia players tend to jump into the mayoral election very quickly to maximize bandwagoning and so that the few mafia supporters can join up in a spaced out manner.

But yeah, if you recall our plan during that section, randombum was actually supposed to get mayor and 2 inactive mafia fucked up our voteswing.

The question to ask is always risk/reward. Mafia gain a massive amount by popping into office; the question is how likely do you think nemy's gambit's success was? Historically its never worked. The risk? Putting a 'pseudo dt' into such suspicion with only 6 of them seems like an INCREDIBLE risk. Running an experienced player like ver or ace or caller seems like a much better bet and is far more likely given the timing.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
May 17 2009 08:04 GMT
#315
I'm really tired and about to fall asleep so I'll post it briefly: Nemy has never struck me as the kind of player to make convoluted gambles. I think his claim is simple, straight-forward, and very likely truthful. As the votes stand currently, Ver is in the lead at 6, with several tied behind at 2-3. It looks like these last few votes will be deciding the pardoner. I am strongly considering putting my vote towards Nemy.

In Mafia 2, the mafia reaction to Empyrean claiming DT was basically, "he is confusing the town. playing such a risky move is dangerous, we don't want this kind of guy in office." A lot of innocent people, including Ace, echoed those statements, which made it rather easy to elect randombum to pardoner position. I don't think the reactions will be as blatant in this game, but they are definitely out there already. The problem is things are harder to interpret now, and I'm tired and can't form this sentence the way I want to.

...okay I guess that wasn't so brief.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2009 08:58 GMT
#316
On May 17 2009 12:43 LucasWoJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 11:50 Malongo wrote:
On May 17 2009 11:42 HeavOnEarth wrote:
hey ver
how do we know you're not mafia and this isn't just a ploy to make sure he doesn't get votes; so that you're ensured mayor?

Obviously nobody can confirm that. However ver has a really good point here, dts roleclaiming first day are not good for the town. Im inclined to believe Nemy is at least traitor, and if he is actually dt... GTFO very poorly played. Note also that dts dont roleclaim publicly ever. In all mafias ive played only sog made it after he got protection.


Okay malongo. Calm down. Last game, mafia feasted off of the town's reckless emotions and kept the town in perpetual chaos. You're doing the exact same thing with your post.



Actually his post makes sense though - it sums up exactly why nemy needs to be killed. I'll explain this in my big post coming soon.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2009 09:02 GMT
#317
On May 17 2009 13:29 nemY wrote:
Just to clarify for you folks, look long and deep at the ppl running for mayor... because I suspect that the overwhelming majority of them are mafia scum, GF is probably not running because GF need not run (since once an individual becomes mayor/pardoner they are immune to r/c's). The more I look at the situation the more I think these ppl are just using me for as much info as they get before they kill me. In the future... I'm just not gonna speak


quoting this as evidence that you are traitor, mafia or just bad at this game. More reason to kill you.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2009 09:06 GMT
#318
On May 17 2009 13:52 Tricode wrote:
I don't feel persuaded enough to think that Nemy should get office.

But I definitely agree with bockit, we should focus on this election!

We should also i guess consider the first lynch possibly?

As far as medics go, we possibly can just focus on that after the election, we should still have plenty of time for that right?

So let's look at our candidates, and try to make the best decisions.

Cause yeah we could vote Nemy in, fine but that also means we can leave another important player vulnerable. So there might be a sacrifice no matter what, so pick the better of the two.

Also even if you say we can just protect one with medic, but then we can still lose that player if mafia stacks hits. So just thinking "oh we protect nemy by giving him office and just use a med to protect a player who could be possibly more useful (analyzing wise)" is not good, cause mafia stacks, we lose our more skilled player.




indeed ^_^

This is the kind of risk analysis that makes sense, as opposed to L running around screaming the sky is falling.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 17 2009 09:12 GMT
#319
On May 17 2009 17:58 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 12:43 LucasWoJ wrote:
On May 17 2009 11:50 Malongo wrote:
On May 17 2009 11:42 HeavOnEarth wrote:
hey ver
how do we know you're not mafia and this isn't just a ploy to make sure he doesn't get votes; so that you're ensured mayor?

Obviously nobody can confirm that. However ver has a really good point here, dts roleclaiming first day are not good for the town. Im inclined to believe Nemy is at least traitor, and if he is actually dt... GTFO very poorly played. Note also that dts dont roleclaim publicly ever. In all mafias ive played only sog made it after he got protection.


Okay malongo. Calm down. Last game, mafia feasted off of the town's reckless emotions and kept the town in perpetual chaos. You're doing the exact same thing with your post.



Actually his post makes sense though - it sums up exactly why nemy needs to be killed. I'll explain this in my big post coming soon.

Ace, while I don't think nemy should be elected I don't see the need for him to be killed yet -_- it hasn't even been election time, hold your horses -_-
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2009 09:14 GMT
#320
On May 17 2009 14:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 14:55 nemY wrote:
On May 17 2009 14:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I'm going with your both retarded



I think plenty of nice/mean things about you as well but you don't see me saying them everywhere... anyways, can we move back to the mayor candidates?


I have told people multiple times, PM discussion is lame, its never reliable evidence, and leaves you too many holes on being caught. Hense, participating in them is not a bright move.



exactly. Which is why I hardly have long PM discussions when I play this game.
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