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nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
May 17 2009 05:30 GMT
#281
I'm not going to post the whole thing since much of it is our discussion and finger pointing (which I'd rather leave out) so here it is... ala Richard Nixon Style

Original Message:
content

I have a feeling you might be blue but I'll keep my thoughts to myself.



Original Message:
If you think I'm blue, why not vote for me for mayor then? Blue as mayor would make sense yes? :[



Original Message:
Blue does make sense, but I'm not going to just randomly vote for someone who might be blue. Chances are dangerous. Especially when one has no platform. But what do you think of the other candidates? I'm still deciding...this is difficult.




nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
May 17 2009 05:33 GMT
#282
ebwop: the first message is from Incog, the second is my reply, and the third is his reply

Guess I really should have copy/pasted the whole thing in lol.

L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 17 2009 05:40 GMT
#283
but you keep insisting
First off, I said that once. Second, you're quoting a post made FIVE HOURS AGO. Third, you've been very active between then and here.

I started off my analysis looking for blue players because I wanted to know who to support and who not to support in the mayoral running. I personally think i'm 90%+ correct on them and for 2 of them i'm not sure exactly what role they are, but its pretty obvious that some are blue and not red. Why am I not saying anything about mafia? Because I want to be more certain and want to see if clues match up with those people who I find suspicious due to behavior/lack of activity/voting patterns.

Basically you're saying that I'm mafia because I'm not accusing people of being mafia on turn 1.

Okay, slick.

The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 17 2009 05:46 GMT
#284
On May 17 2009 14:40 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
but you keep insisting
First off, I said that once. Second, you're quoting a post made FIVE HOURS AGO. Third, you've been very active between then and here.

I started off my analysis looking for blue players because I wanted to know who to support and who not to support in the mayoral running. I personally think i'm 90%+ correct on them and for 2 of them i'm not sure exactly what role they are, but its pretty obvious that some are blue and not red. Why am I not saying anything about mafia? Because I want to be more certain and want to see if clues match up with those people who I find suspicious due to behavior/lack of activity/voting patterns.

Basically you're saying that I'm mafia because I'm not accusing people of being mafia on turn 1.

Okay, slick.



I was out for the evening. I would have responded earlier but I got a BSOD right when i was typing my post had to leave then.

I'm not saying you're mafia. I think you are perhaps just being a little to confident in your blue picks. That is all.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 05:49 GMT
#285
I won't lie, those pms don't do much for your case. The vast majority of the content that you omitted is what I was asking for, as coming up with a whole bunch of content filled pms in a couple of minutes isn't that easy.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 17 2009 05:52 GMT
#286
^^The rest of the contents are...not related to nemY being possibly blue. Those pms have not been faked unless we are both mafia
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 17 2009 05:52 GMT
#287
I'm going with your both retarded
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 05:53 GMT
#288
On May 17 2009 14:20 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
Clue analyzers almost never get the protection they deserve, i honestly dunno where you got that idea
You can't protect everyone all the time. If you're going off last game, the medics were pretty off the wall. Better players means better medics. Lets hope that holds true.

And Bockit, for someone that was in IRC with me finding ways to fuck empyrean over during Mafia 2, you're looking at this in an awfully interesting way. Also, why you drunk so much? O_o


The difference that I see between this and game 2 was that empyrean came out as dt to force town to vote him into mayor just because he wanted to be mayor. There was no "Mafia have found me I need the protection". Though similar, I see it as different enough to take caution before we decide he's a dt.

It's 21st season ^_^
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 05:53 GMT
#289
Ok seeing incognito posting those responses makes me believe nemy is quite likely telling the truth, I should probably be applying occam's razor about now.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 17 2009 05:54 GMT
#290
Okay. I think I'm going to switch my vote to Nemy.

While I still think what he did was dumb and panicked, I don't think he is Mafia. Furthermore, based on some suspicions and activity of others, I believe Mafia might be worried about this turn of events.

So, despite my curiosity of Showtime!'s abilities, I feel like this is a gamble where the payoff is worth it.

I understand that Mafia 2 (which L keeps citing) does not prove that we should put Nemy into office. We can't learn from mistakes whose only common foundation is the lack of blind trust that an individual is telling the truth. I also understand that what Nemy has done is both forceful and either incredibly dumb or risky. There is no fault in putting no faith into what he says, but look at the (assumed) facts:

- Nemy did act like he might be blue, especially in his frustrated "c'mon guys, trust me" post.
- Nemy was PMed by Incognito (who confirmed) about it, though it was not several people as he had claimed.

Now, looking at these two bits of information we have to assume one of three things;

1. Nemy is a DT and just panicked.
2. Nemy set himself up to look blue to others and, upon being called out on it, went into a false panic.
3. Nemy and Incognito are both in on it and set it all up.

Which of these answers seems the most likely to you?
Think. :)
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
May 17 2009 05:55 GMT
#291
On May 17 2009 14:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I'm going with your both retarded



I think plenty of nice/mean things about you as well but you don't see me saying them everywhere... anyways, can we move back to the mayor candidates?
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 17 2009 05:55 GMT
#292
knowing incog, and his ability of a player, as well as knowing nemy, i would go for 2 and 3.

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
May 17 2009 05:55 GMT
#293
EBWOTP

Working on the assumption that nemy is a dt, what do we do now? Do we elect him into position instead of one of the big guns currently running for it? I'm going to think about this in the next couple of hours, I wonder what everyone else thinks (about nemy's legitimacy, in light of the last few pages, and what we should do if you think he is legit)
Their are four errors in this sentance.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
May 17 2009 05:56 GMT
#294
Btw guys if it's really that big of a deal to you, just make sure the votes are safe enough for me to be Pardoner... I don't really have any intentions of using it.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 17 2009 05:57 GMT
#295
On May 17 2009 14:55 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2009 14:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I'm going with your both retarded



I think plenty of nice/mean things about you as well but you don't see me saying them everywhere... anyways, can we move back to the mayor candidates?


I have told people multiple times, PM discussion is lame, its never reliable evidence, and leaves you too many holes on being caught. Hense, participating in them is not a bright move.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 17 2009 05:58 GMT
#296
On May 17 2009 14:56 nemY wrote:
Btw guys if it's really that big of a deal to you, just make sure the votes are safe enough for me to be Pardoner... I don't really have any intentions of using it.


Then why fing run in the first place? You could have stayed hidden and off the radar (which is what a dt should be doing.) Your entire play is sketchy this game.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 17 2009 06:03 GMT
#297
I was out for the evening. I would have responded earlier but I got a BSOD right when i was typing my post had to leave then.

I'm not saying you're mafia. I think you are perhaps just being a little to confident in your blue picks. That is all.


Way to pussy out when you realize you got caught acting like a moron.

The tone of your previous post is COMPLETELY inconsistent with your meek reply. You stepped up to accuse. Red colour and all. Take responsibility for pointing the finger at someone who's going to flip townside.

Oh, speaking of which. When I die I want someone to post a complete list of my posts.

The difference that I see between this and game 2 was that empyrean came out as dt to force town to vote him into mayor just because he wanted to be mayor. There was no "Mafia have found me I need the protection". Though similar, I see it as different enough to take caution before we decide he's a dt.
Feel free to go and look how we, as mafia, influenced the discussion. If anything, the current situation, with the 2 man confirmed pms, the lowered mafia count, the lowered KP and the weaker nature of the offices (Mafia 2 office was RIDICULOUS powerful) all point towards less reason for mafia to put themselves under the spotlight.

And I'm citing mafia 2 so that people can see how MAFIA will react to this situation, not to say he's 100% blue obv np.

I'm saying ignore the situation as it is and remove yourself from your role. Then think about how mafia would act given this situation. How would they act to plant nemy in the first place? How would the react if he's not one of them? The second situation is already covered. You can go look at the case example which has largely been replicated here by a number of players.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 17 2009 06:05 GMT
#298
Also, again, pardoner is a more important position than mayor in this game. The LESS favorable candidate should get mayor.

But that's going to make vote analysis when we come down to the wire REALLY ANNOYING.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 17 2009 06:09 GMT
#299
^^ You are lashing out. Please reread my posts. I was just making an observation. I am not advocating your lynch.

@ BC and L: Do you really think I'd be that stupid to be a mafia supporting a mafia when its clear that this is a controversial topic?
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 17 2009 06:11 GMT
#300
Considering the chances of getting one member elected, or another one highly regarded by town to draw medic prot, its a chancy gamble that could pay off.

You tend to be pretty ballsy
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
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