|
L running around screaming the sky is falling. Excuse me?
I've posted far more logical and detailed analysis than you have despite you tossing out 2 long posts full of emotionally laden 'whoa oh shit, lets lynch the douchebag' casual text. Your argument has been presented in its entirety before, but you spruced it up and added a bunch of flavor text, remember after all, when ace plays he believes that:
It's not what you know, it's what you can convince people to believe.
So posting the same "it was a dumb move, ergo he is mafia + we need to kill him" content was pretty spot on, but you completely ignored the counter argument. There's probably an entire's page worth of writing on the topic which you ignored.
Why would you want to knock Nemy out of office? Well, for one, you're number three. You're the one that directly loses out on an office position. Two: you ver and mynock have supported each other in a circular fashion, then all seemingly dissapeared from the thread. What's more, the vast majority of supporters on your nemy position were people who bandwagoned you/ver/mynock very early without much posting like dreamflower. SUSPICIOUS? Just about as suspicious as someone calling out Plexa, which I agree was a fucking retarded vote.
What's more, your rebuttal of my 'nonsense claims' echoes EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. Mafia will ONLY reveal pardoner once they can end the game or when the trade off is beyond worth it. 15 player games have far less sacrifice potential than we currently have, especially if the pardoner gets tied up in clue evidence and is going to be a target in a day or two. ONCE THEY DO, however, WE ARE DOWN AN ENTIRE DAY.
Your rebuttal of trying to get blues into office is that you believe you're worth more to the town than a blue role, but the problem there, as I stated earlier, is that your personal capital makes you a prime target for a mafia candidacy. What's more; you keep promoting you, ver, and Mynock, which is interesting because you three started out circularly voting for each other. Its very possible, and in my mind probable that there's at least one mafia between the three of you.
The most dangerous part to you, however, is that nemY isn't going to win by a landslide at current rates: he's going to take the mafia coveted pardoner spot. Unlike in previous games where the mayor had networking ability, the only thing he has here is a double vote and his target will likely be voted upon by the town anyways, so that's that.
That said, you did end up reading 8 pages in an hour and a quarter minutes, seeing as you got up around 4:45 est, right? Maybe you ought to go back and actually read instead of scaremongering. You seem to have gone to sleep around 8pm last night too, which would be around 1.5 pages ahead of where you said you started off. Either you purposely ignored the thread (good mayor work there) or you've been lying. Feel free to provide me more information. Exact times, if you would.
So let me interject: if one of you is mafia, which is likely, you'd act exactly how mafia acted in mafia 2, which is exactly how you're acting now. Its what we did before. Its what I'd do if I was mafia.
|
On May 18 2009 02:41 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 01:12 LucasWoJ wrote:On May 17 2009 17:58 Ace wrote:On May 17 2009 12:43 LucasWoJ wrote:On May 17 2009 11:50 Malongo wrote:On May 17 2009 11:42 HeavOnEarth wrote:
hey ver
how do we know you're not mafia and this isn't just a ploy to make sure he doesn't get votes; so that you're ensured mayor? Obviously nobody can confirm that. However ver has a really good point here, dts roleclaiming first day are not good for the town. Im inclined to believe Nemy is at least traitor, and if he is actually dt... GTFO very poorly played. Note also that dts dont roleclaim publicly ever. In all mafias ive played only sog made it after he got protection. Okay malongo. Calm down. Last game, mafia feasted off of the town's reckless emotions and kept the town in perpetual chaos. You're doing the exact same thing with your post. Actually his post makes sense though - it sums up exactly why nemy needs to be killed. I'll explain this in my big post coming soon. Notice I never said his post makes no sense. ^_^ I was pointing out that its brevity will not and cannot help the town. A series of consecutive two or three sentence posts, or even shorter ones, go a long way in derailing the thread, and allow an individual to escape suspicion (actually, all of the people who posted the couple-liners), even when they're not mafia (look at the last game as evidence for this). Second, if nemy's a retarded dt who played very poorly and one that has nothing to offer, I don't see the reason to "need to kill him." Ostensibly, mafia could keep him alive, if he were the DT, because he's a guaranteed lynch the next day (unless you mean he should be the first day lynch). Granted, I have not read your "big post" yet (I'm responding as I go), so I don't know the reasoning nor can I think of anything besides "we cannot possibly be sure, so it's a good lynch either way since he could be mafia, traitor, or a stupid townie." - Last thing: You put words in my posts that dont belong there: "need to kill him". I never said that.
I think in this part he was replying to Ace, b/c Ace has been saying Nemy needs to be killed.
|
4492 Posts
We still have about 5-6 (or so) hours before the elections are over, so I'd like to urge everyone to vote. Those of you who have abstained, vote! It benefits Town, since we'll know where you stand.
I'd like to encourage you to either vote for me or Ace. The vote tallies are very close this time, so everything will be decided by 1 or 2 voices tops. Watch out for nemY suddenly getting a couple critical votes in the last minutes. Or anyone else for that matter.
|
On May 18 2009 02:41 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 01:12 LucasWoJ wrote:On May 17 2009 17:58 Ace wrote:On May 17 2009 12:43 LucasWoJ wrote:On May 17 2009 11:50 Malongo wrote:On May 17 2009 11:42 HeavOnEarth wrote:
hey ver
how do we know you're not mafia and this isn't just a ploy to make sure he doesn't get votes; so that you're ensured mayor? Obviously nobody can confirm that. However ver has a really good point here, dts roleclaiming first day are not good for the town. Im inclined to believe Nemy is at least traitor, and if he is actually dt... GTFO very poorly played. Note also that dts dont roleclaim publicly ever. In all mafias ive played only sog made it after he got protection. Okay malongo. Calm down. Last game, mafia feasted off of the town's reckless emotions and kept the town in perpetual chaos. You're doing the exact same thing with your post. Actually his post makes sense though - it sums up exactly why nemy needs to be killed. I'll explain this in my big post coming soon. Notice I never said his post makes no sense. ^_^ I was pointing out that its brevity will not and cannot help the town. A series of consecutive two or three sentence posts, or even shorter ones, go a long way in derailing the thread, and allow an individual to escape suspicion (actually, all of the people who posted the couple-liners), even when they're not mafia (look at the last game as evidence for this). Second, if nemy's a retarded dt who played very poorly and one that has nothing to offer, I don't see the reason to "need to kill him." Ostensibly, mafia could keep him alive, if he were the DT, because he's a guaranteed lynch the next day (unless you mean he should be the first day lynch). Granted, I have not read your "big post" yet (I'm responding as I go), so I don't know the reasoning nor can I think of anything besides "we cannot possibly be sure, so it's a good lynch either way since he could be mafia, traitor, or a stupid townie." Im getting more and more inclined to believe you are mafia. Reasons: - Inconsistency: I posted a clue pointing to plexa (Just after the day post). Your response is to directly call people not to believe me without any real reason. Why? i dont know but the problem is not that you try to discredit me publicly, the problem is you try to discredit me publicly AND privately sent me a pm "asking about my thoughts" and trying to discuss the matter. This is a big fishy tactic if you think a player is wrong or doing something bad you dont go next to him trying to get something from him. - Forced activity: Just a quick read on your posts, copy-pasted infundibulum, mimick Ace, and accused me of acting under reckless emotions. If you read my post its plain that I posted more than calm. However the thing here is Are you really active? - Last thing: You put words in my posts that dont belong there: "need to kill him". I never said that. The good thing is: nobody reads my posts besides you, no Lucaswoj?
What is the malongo sense telling you? Am I at the 80% tricode was at in the beginning of last game? Again, you're clearly derailing the thread, lol. I'm going to respond to this and make you look even more retarded after the mayor's been elected.
|
On May 18 2009 03:10 LucasWoJ wrote:
What is the malongo sense telling you? Am I at the 80% tricode was at in the beginning of last game? Again, you're clearly derailing the thread, lol. I'm going to respond to this and make you look even more retarded after the mayor's been elected.
[/QUOTE]
The what in who now? 80% of what?
|
On May 18 2009 00:34 Bockit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2009 04:45 MTF wrote:
Ver is no doubt very intelligent and puts a tremendous effort into the game, but he lacks the ability to get under peoples skin. Showtime, Caller, and Ace have that ability in spades. And that is a larger part of Mafia than I think many players realize. It's not enough to just be able to pin down and call out Mafia members with definitive proof or verbose appeals to the town. You need to make Mafia and the supposed town uncomfortable, mad at you, and you need to be able to be able to throw out random insults or vague accusations without remorse. I think Ver is much too polite for that. I'd rather see him in Pardoner role assisting the mayor, but not having the primary voice.
And yet you swap from showtime to nemy? What the fuck?
Circumstances changed, though this does not mean that Nemy needs to be the true town leader. While I do not like Nemy in a leadership role by default, I still don't feel as heavily suspicious about him as most everybody else seems to. Whether I'm wrong for not doing so or not will have to be revealed in time, because not a single one of us can say for certain where Nemy's intentions lie. I think we should get Nemy into the Mayoral position, but have him take a back seat to whoever (hopefully Mynock or Showtime; the more the former been posting the more I think he deserves a high spot and I'm still curious about Showtime) gets into the Pardoner position. Doing this means risking revealing our bodyguard list to Mafia, but nothing else beyond that as Nemy would defer all responsibilities over to the Pardoner. Not doing it means we risk losing one of two DT's early on if he's telling the truth, and, regardless of who we put in, we still don't know the role of the person we've voted into office.
The risk of voting him in is worth it to me this time. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. As is, my viewpoint is obviously way off from most of the prominent people playing and I've stated that I'm terrible at behavioral analysis in the past, so feel completely free to ignore my input in this matter. :p
|
On May 18 2009 03:08 Mynock wrote:
We still have about 5-6 (or so) hours before the elections are over, so I'd like to urge everyone to vote. Those of you who have abstained, vote! It benefits Town, since we'll know where you stand.
I'd like to encourage you to either vote for me or Ace. The vote tallies are very close this time, so everything will be decided by 1 or 2 voices tops. Watch out for nemY suddenly getting a couple critical votes in the last minutes. Or anyone else for that matter.
I will vote, still not sure who I'm picking. Something isn't right and I can feel it.
|
4492 Posts
On May 18 2009 02:58 L wrote: Excuse me? I've posted far more logical and detailed analysis than you have despite you tossing out 2 long posts full of emotionally laden 'whoa oh shit, lets lynch the douchebag' casual text. Your argument has been presented in its entirety before, but you spruced it up and added a bunch of flavor text, remember after all, when ace plays he believes that: So posting the same "it was a dumb move, ergo he is mafia + we need to kill him" content was pretty spot on, but you completely ignored the counter argument. There's probably an entire's page worth of writing on the topic which you ignored. Why would you want to knock Nemy out of office? Well, for one, you're number three. You're the one that directly loses out on an office position. Two: you ver and mynock have supported each other in a circular fashion, then all seemingly dissapeared from the thread. What's more, the vast majority of supporters on your nemy position were people who bandwagoned you/ver/mynock very early without much posting like dreamflower. SUSPICIOUS? Just about as suspicious as someone calling out Plexa, which I agree was a fucking retarded vote. What's more, your rebuttal of my 'nonsense claims' echoes EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. Mafia will ONLY reveal pardoner once they can end the game or when the trade off is beyond worth it. 15 player games have far less sacrifice potential than we currently have, especially if the pardoner gets tied up in clue evidence and is going to be a target in a day or two. ONCE THEY DO, however, WE ARE DOWN AN ENTIRE DAY. Your rebuttal of trying to get blues into office is that you believe you're worth more to the town than a blue role, but the problem there, as I stated earlier, is that your personal capital makes you a prime target for a mafia candidacy. What's more; you keep promoting you, ver, and Mynock, which is interesting because you three started out circularly voting for each other. Its very possible, and in my mind probable that there's at least one mafia between the three of you. The most dangerous part to you, however, is that nemY isn't going to win by a landslide at current rates: he's going to take the mafia coveted pardoner spot. Unlike in previous games where the mayor had networking ability, the only thing he has here is a double vote and his target will likely be voted upon by the town anyways, so that's that. That said, you did end up reading 8 pages in an hour and a quarter minutes, seeing as you got up around 4:45 est, right? Maybe you ought to go back and actually read instead of scaremongering. You seem to have gone to sleep around 8pm last night too, which would be around 1.5 pages ahead of where you said you started off. Either you purposely ignored the thread (good mayor work there) or you've been lying. Feel free to provide me more information. Exact times, if you would. So let me interject: if one of you is mafia, which is likely, you'd act exactly how mafia acted in mafia 2, which is exactly how you're acting now. Its what we did before. Its what I'd do if I was mafia.
So this is how you play when you're not Red? :/
Accusing people left and right shaking with paranoia and delusions? Good grief, you almost bit poor Incognito's head off when he suggested you might be Mafia. Take it easy.
Can you explain to me how if 1 of us 3 is Mafia, we keep supporting each other circularly? The 2 Townies play along coz they feel like losing? Or just 1 Townie? Maybe all 3 of us are Mafia? Let's hear some more well-based accusations from you.
Also, one point here to mention. Ace suggested to check those who don't get into office. As it stands right now, he's one of them, and he wasn't going to get into office at the time he suggested it either. If Ace is a Mafia trying to get to power, as it is right now, he'd be busted as soon as the voting is over. So think about it.
|
Accusing people left and right I haven't accused anyone. I simply pointed out that its HIGHLY LIKELY that there is a mafia candidate in the group of candidates Ace is in. Even his own analysis points towards this.
Can I explain it? Sure, mafia typically enters the mayoral race very early and supplants themselves with a few mafia seed supporters to get the ball rolling, then they shut up very quickly. Dont' believe me? Look up your history. That means out of your group, due to the simple fact that you guys are running for mayor (regardless of the collusion between you) that it is likely one of you is mafia.
Ace can suggest all the checks in the world, but he is driving AWFULLY hard for you or him to be exempt from said checks. More to the point, we have an unusually large number of checks, and if nemY IS a dt he will:
1- Brush it off
2- Checking mayoral candidates will fall to a single DT, who will be largely useless if the mafia candidates actually got office.
Essentially if ace is mafia, his plan nullifies both DTs.
Thanks for letting me point that out. Peace.
|
On May 18 2009 02:58 L wrote: Excuse me? I've posted far more logical and detailed analysis than you have despite you tossing out 2 long posts full of emotionally laden 'whoa oh shit, lets lynch the douchebag' casual text. Your argument has been presented in its entirety before, but you spruced it up and added a bunch of flavor text, remember after all, when ace plays he believes that: So posting the same "it was a dumb move, ergo he is mafia + we need to kill him" content was pretty spot on, but you completely ignored the counter argument. There's probably an entire's page worth of writing on the topic which you ignored. Why would you want to knock Nemy out of office? Well, for one, you're number three. You're the one that directly loses out on an office position. Two: you ver and mynock have supported each other in a circular fashion, then all seemingly dissapeared from the thread. What's more, the vast majority of supporters on your nemy position were people who bandwagoned you/ver/mynock very early without much posting like dreamflower. SUSPICIOUS? Just about as suspicious as someone calling out Plexa, which I agree was a fucking retarded vote. What's more, your rebuttal of my 'nonsense claims' echoes EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. Mafia will ONLY reveal pardoner once they can end the game or when the trade off is beyond worth it. 15 player games have far less sacrifice potential than we currently have, especially if the pardoner gets tied up in clue evidence and is going to be a target in a day or two. ONCE THEY DO, however, WE ARE DOWN AN ENTIRE DAY. Your rebuttal of trying to get blues into office is that you believe you're worth more to the town than a blue role, but the problem there, as I stated earlier, is that your personal capital makes you a prime target for a mafia candidacy. What's more; you keep promoting you, ver, and Mynock, which is interesting because you three started out circularly voting for each other. Its very possible, and in my mind probable that there's at least one mafia between the three of you. The most dangerous part to you, however, is that nemY isn't going to win by a landslide at current rates: he's going to take the mafia coveted pardoner spot. Unlike in previous games where the mayor had networking ability, the only thing he has here is a double vote and his target will likely be voted upon by the town anyways, so that's that. That said, you did end up reading 8 pages in an hour and a quarter minutes, seeing as you got up around 4:45 est, right? Maybe you ought to go back and actually read instead of scaremongering. You seem to have gone to sleep around 8pm last night too, which would be around 1.5 pages ahead of where you said you started off. Either you purposely ignored the thread (good mayor work there) or you've been lying. Feel free to provide me more information. Exact times, if you would. So let me interject: if one of you is mafia, which is likely, you'd act exactly how mafia acted in mafia 2, which is exactly how you're acting now. Its what we did before. Its what I'd do if I was mafia.
Look at all the wrong shit in this post, oh gee I don't know where to start.
1.) You haven't been logical. Period. Your arguments about Pardoner are null and void because we can't determine anyone's roles yet. Duh. So your asking the town to vote in a way that is pretty much useless. All we can do is vote on ability which unfortunately leaves a lot of people out.
2.) nemy isn't in office. If I was worried about losing the election that bad of all people why would I go after nemy? Or you know, I could just take my vote off of mynock and abstain or vote for someone else. Duh? Your analysis is complete shit, try again.
3.) I'm supporting Mynock and Ver because I feel they are the other 2 best candidates. Every game we have people like you who question why I'm doing something, and you all come off looking like idiots. How many times do I have to tell you - you're wasting time. Maybe I just genuinely believe those 2 are good for the town and holy shit! They might be mafia but they haven't acted like you or nemy so I have no reason to fuck with them.
4.) That's nice that 1 of the 3 of us might be mafia. It's also nice that 6 out of the 30 people playing might be also. What's your point?
5.) There is no danger to me. Stop trying so hard. There is no mafia coveted Pardoner spot - any of the 2 will do. Stop making up these grand ideas in your head.
6.) Your "ifs" are wrong because none of us play this game like you. It shows.
7.) I don't know exactly what time I started reading the thread or exactly what time I went to bed. But if you want to dissect it till your blue in the face go ahead - I'm innocent and don't have to worry about anything. See unlike nemy, I haven't lied about anything. And unlike you I'm actually analyzing whats going on now and not some made up scenario that we have no control over.
Got anything else you want to uselessly add to the thread? Any more lightweight accusations you want to make against The Three Musketeers?
|
EDBOP: I would feel more comfortable about my vote if Plexa would explain why he's voted for Nemy, though. I suspect he's just really (perpetually) busy, but even a cursory explanation would be better than the complete silent treatment.
|
On May 18 2009 03:17 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 00:34 Bockit wrote:On May 17 2009 04:45 MTF wrote:
Ver is no doubt very intelligent and puts a tremendous effort into the game, but he lacks the ability to get under peoples skin. Showtime, Caller, and Ace have that ability in spades. And that is a larger part of Mafia than I think many players realize. It's not enough to just be able to pin down and call out Mafia members with definitive proof or verbose appeals to the town. You need to make Mafia and the supposed town uncomfortable, mad at you, and you need to be able to be able to throw out random insults or vague accusations without remorse. I think Ver is much too polite for that. I'd rather see him in Pardoner role assisting the mayor, but not having the primary voice.
And yet you swap from showtime to nemy? What the fuck? Circumstances changed, though this does not mean that Nemy needs to be the true town leader. While I do not like Nemy in a leadership role by default, I still don't feel as heavily suspicious about him as most everybody else seems to. Whether I'm wrong for not doing so or not will have to be revealed in time, because not a single one of us can say for certain where Nemy's intentions lie. I think we should get Nemy into the Mayoral position, but have him take a back seat to whoever (hopefully Mynock or Showtime; the more the former been posting the more I think he deserves a high spot and I'm still curious about Showtime) gets into the Pardoner position. Doing this means risking revealing our bodyguard list to Mafia, but nothing else beyond that as Nemy would defer all responsibilities over to the Pardoner. Not doing it means we risk losing one of two DT's early on if he's telling the truth, and, regardless of who we put in, we still don't know the role of the person we've voted into office. The risk of voting him in is worth it to me this time. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. As is, my viewpoint is obviously way off from most of the prominent people playing and I've stated that I'm terrible at behavioral analysis in the past, so feel completely free to ignore my input in this matter. :p
tsk tsk tsk MTF I know you know better than this. Shame on you.
|
[QUOTE]On May 18 2009 03:26 L wrote:
[quote]
1- Brush it off
Essentially if ace is mafia, his plan nullifies both DTs.
Thanks for letting me point that out. Peace. [/QUOTE]
And why would he brush it off? Explain.
And if I were mafia and I suggested this plan then SURELY I wold have done it after I made it into office right?
LOL you fail. If I were Mafia I'd rather have nemy in office regardless of if he's mafia or not, and have everyone else get checked that didn't make it assuming none of them were mafia. That way the town isn't checking any of the mafia out yet. I'd also run around making up crazy stuff about 1 out of 3 people being mafia because they keep supporting each other. It puts a smile on my face.
|
On May 18 2009 03:30 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 03:17 MTF wrote:
Circumstances changed, though this does not mean that Nemy needs to be the true town leader. While I do not like Nemy in a leadership role by default, I still don't feel as heavily suspicious about him as most everybody else seems to. Whether I'm wrong for not doing so or not will have to be revealed in time, because not a single one of us can say for certain where Nemy's intentions lie. I think we should get Nemy into the Mayoral position, but have him take a back seat to whoever (hopefully Mynock or Showtime; the more the former been posting the more I think he deserves a high spot and I'm still curious about Showtime) gets into the Pardoner position. Doing this means risking revealing our bodyguard list to Mafia, but nothing else beyond that as Nemy would defer all responsibilities over to the Pardoner. Not doing it means we risk losing one of two DT's early on if he's telling the truth, and, regardless of who we put in, we still don't know the role of the person we've voted into office.
The risk of voting him in is worth it to me this time. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. As is, my viewpoint is obviously way off from most of the prominent people playing and I've stated that I'm terrible at behavioral analysis in the past, so feel completely free to ignore my input in this matter. :p tsk tsk tsk MTF I know you know better than this. Shame on you.
I know only two things in relation to this:
1. I logically should let the more experienced players views guide me into voting for Mynock/you.
2. I'm not going to learn anything by letting the more experienced players views guide me.
If it's a mistake, it'll at least be a learning experience and I can look specifically at everything I did wrong. If my central mistake was not listening to everybody telling me I'm wrong, then that'll be what I learn. This game is more about the fun of being back in Mafia for me rather than setting up the game as secure and perfect as possible. I'll admit that openly. If my behavior is a bit less helpful than usual you know why.
|
On May 18 2009 03:36 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 03:30 Ace wrote:On May 18 2009 03:17 MTF wrote:
Circumstances changed, though this does not mean that Nemy needs to be the true town leader. While I do not like Nemy in a leadership role by default, I still don't feel as heavily suspicious about him as most everybody else seems to. Whether I'm wrong for not doing so or not will have to be revealed in time, because not a single one of us can say for certain where Nemy's intentions lie. I think we should get Nemy into the Mayoral position, but have him take a back seat to whoever (hopefully Mynock or Showtime; the more the former been posting the more I think he deserves a high spot and I'm still curious about Showtime) gets into the Pardoner position. Doing this means risking revealing our bodyguard list to Mafia, but nothing else beyond that as Nemy would defer all responsibilities over to the Pardoner. Not doing it means we risk losing one of two DT's early on if he's telling the truth, and, regardless of who we put in, we still don't know the role of the person we've voted into office.
The risk of voting him in is worth it to me this time. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. As is, my viewpoint is obviously way off from most of the prominent people playing and I've stated that I'm terrible at behavioral analysis in the past, so feel completely free to ignore my input in this matter. :p tsk tsk tsk MTF I know you know better than this. Shame on you. I know only two things in relation to this: 1. I logically should let the more experienced players views guide me into voting for Mynock/you. 2. I'm not going to learn anything by letting the more experienced players views guide me. If it's a mistake, it'll at least be a learning experience and I can look specifically at everything I did wrong. If my central mistake was not listening to everybody telling me I'm wrong, then that'll be what I learn. This game is more about the fun of being back in Mafia for me rather than setting up the game as secure and perfect as possible. I'll admit that openly. If my behavior is a bit less helpful than usual you know why.
It's not really about guiding, it's more about who makes the best persuasion and logical point.
Right now, ask yourself, what true benefit would we gain by having nemy in the office vs someone that is as good as Ace, Mynock, Ver, and ext.
I highly suggest reading the posts and just thinking to yourself which seems to be the better choice.
I stand by this, I completely agree with most of what Ace and Mynock is saying. I think what their reasoning is not to have Nemy in office out weighs the reasoning to have Nemy in office.
|
Your arguments about Pardoner are null and void because we can't determine anyone's roles yet. What? Are you fucking retarded?
HOW DOES DETERMINING ROLES HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH GAME FORMAT?
Oh, it doesn't.
If I was worried about losing the election that bad of all people why would I go after nemy? I dunno, why don't you look at your own statement in the voting thread: ME OR MYNOCK, NEVER NEMY.
Looks like you're pretty worried, and it looks like you're worried about nemy.
I'm supporting Mynock and Ver because I feel they are the other 2 best candidates. Every game we have people like you who question why I'm doing something, and you all come off looking like idiots. The fact that you have a 'feeling' doesn't make the circular collusion of three mayoral candidates any less suspicious. The fact that your second sentence is essentially "i'm good, so never question me" doesn't either.
That's nice that 1 of the 3 of us might be mafia. It's also nice that 6 out of the 30 people playing might be also. What's your point? I made my point. Feel free to read, champ. Oh, you don't like doing that because dealing with actual arguments would show that you're COMPLETELY FUCKING FULL OF SHIT? I can't say I didn't see that coming. Your poor play essentially cost the town the game last time around yet you think you're immune from scrutiny.
There is no danger to me. Which means you wouldn't need a position in office so bad, wouldn't be cutting your dota match short and would be quite a bit less hysterical, no?
There is no mafia coveted Pardoner spot - any of the 2 will do. Stop making up these grand ideas in your head. Proven false empirically.
Your "ifs" are wrong because none of us play this game like you. It shows. How exactly are you in a position to make an "us" statement about another two players? Given that you admitted one of them or more could be mafia why do you think you have a greater insight into their actions?
I don't know exactly what time I started reading the thread or exactly what time I went to bed. But if you want to dissect it till your blue in the face go ahead - I'm innocent and don't have to worry about anything. See unlike nemy, I haven't lied about anything. And unlike you I'm actually analyzing whats going on now and not some made up scenario that we have no control over. So you refuse to give full disclosure? I have evidence putting you at a few places at a few moments, between TL log ins, dota replays and messages in the dota clan chat. I'm not pointing the finger at you, but if you're innocent you don't dodge shit like this. If you're mafia, you know you're in danger of tripping up.
But yes, I like how you believe you're analysing what's going on, yet no one else could possibly be unless they agree with your view. That's typically your style, though. Its also the type of unbacked up bullshit that killed the town last game. Value playstyle right there.
Got anything else you want to uselessly add to the thread? Any more lightweight accusations you want to make against The Three Musketeers? No way, man, I love that light and fluffy chocolate bar.
|
And why would he brush it off? Explain.
And if I were mafia and I suggested this plan then SURELY I wold have done it after I made it into office right? Uh, no. You were likely to get checked because of your posting behavior either way, Ver is likely already in office and if one of you is godfather (+ push the other in) you'd make for a FANTASTIC game ender right here.
Why would you brush it off? "oh, nemY WAS a dt, our bad". Do you think you'd offer yourself up to get killed? If you're townie you don't want to waste a useless lynch to revenge. If you're mafia you dont' want to die. No one's intention is to die. You will cite his poor play and say you were justified in acting the way you are, and I'm not saying that's wrong, but I'm saying you don't offer up any shred of culpability by doing so.
|
On May 18 2009 03:41 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 03:36 MTF wrote:
I know only two things in relation to this:
1. I logically should let the more experienced players views guide me into voting for Mynock/you.
2. I'm not going to learn anything by letting the more experienced players views guide me.
If it's a mistake, it'll at least be a learning experience and I can look specifically at everything I did wrong. If my central mistake was not listening to everybody telling me I'm wrong, then that'll be what I learn. This game is more about the fun of being back in Mafia for me rather than setting up the game as secure and perfect as possible. I'll admit that openly. If my behavior is a bit less helpful than usual you know why. It's not really about guiding, it's more about who makes the best persuasion and logical point. Right now, ask yourself, what true benefit would we gain by having nemy in the office vs someone that is as good as Ace, Mynock, Ver, and ext. I highly suggest reading the posts and just thinking to yourself which seems to be the better choice. I stand by this, I completely agree with most of what Ace and Mynock is saying. I think what their reasoning is not to have Nemy in office out weighs the reasoning to have Nemy in office.
I have read every post in the thread thus far and still stand by my decision. If Nemy is really a DT, then getting him permanent protection is worth it to me. As I don't feel he lied (and freely admit I could be wrong about that) I will vote for him, but only as a puppet to whoever has the other role.
I don't think that Nemy would lead as well as anybody else running and so would not look to him to be the public voice. But I do feel that saving him is a benefit worth the risk.
|
Guys guys guys GUYS calm the fuck down
Don't you see that mafia is benefiting from all of this? With some of our biggest names fighting over an issue that we don't even know has any meaning, we're just wasting time and causing more chaos.
Here's what I think could be a possibility:
a) elect nemy to pardoner.
b) lynch him immediately tomorrow. If he really is a DT, he would have given us a RC already and would be safe. If he isn't a DT, we kill him and get rid of the pardoner position, thus avoiding any "setbacks" that mafia would benefit from having a scummy pardoner.
I think this would be the safest compromise-we need to agree on one soon, L/MTF vs. Ace/Mynock = not fun...
|
Oh snap L fails at reading again, and now tries to put the loss of the Town last game on me. I love this shit.
1.) Obviously determining roles is the aim of the game - but we are still at Mayoral elections. None of us can determine anything right now. Oh shit how did you miss this? You even quoted it but read it wrong.
2.) Worried about the election != worried about nemy. I'd love to be in, but hey if Mynock and Ver made it can't say I'd be sad. I'm not that worried about the election. But yea your right - I am worried about nemy which is exactly why I've been making my case against him.
3.) circular collusion? lol ok Don King. Ver has been pretty much silent, and only myself and Mynock have really supported each other. Stop trying to take wild guesses.
4.) I am immune from scrutiny. Because I'm innocent so anything you try to come at me with just doesn't phase me. If you caught me lying or bullshitting I'd understand but I never have. You know, thats how most of the good players that play know when I'm innocent.
5.) It wasn't proven false. How would you know the Mafia covet the Pardoner spot unless they themselves stated it? Once again you're failing.
6.) It's an US statement because playing the game with Ver and Mynock so many times I KNOW none of us play the game like you. It's just that simple - nothing beyond that.
7.) What full disclosure is there to give? But since you want to - go ahead. Post this evidence. You'll see I went to sleep, woke up, and came on TL.net after playing DOTA. Clan chat, replays - post whatever you need to. I know I'm not mafia so I'm begging you to do what you have to in order to "prove" I'm lying. I wasn't dodging but since you said I was I'm here for the show.
So go ahead champ, show us what you got.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
